The Summer 2024 scouting thread

bubble07 · Apr 2, 2024

I think we need 3 more transfer windows to get the squad at the levels required.

16 OUT and 8 IN plus Werner. The following need to go;

Forster
Whiteman
Emerson
spence
Sessegnon
Rodon
Tanganga
Davies
Reguilon
Skipp
Hojberg
Ndombele
GLC
Gill
Solomon
Richarlsion (need a better striker)

So we need to scout a new;
Back up GK: Sam Johnstone (HG)
Back up RB: Kyle Walker-Peters (HG)
Back up LCB/LB: Lloyd Kelly (HG)
Starting/rotating CDM: Archie Grey (HG)
Starting/rotating ACM: Morgan Gibbs-White (HG)
Starting RWF: Michael Olise (HG)
Starting CF: Alexander Isak
Starting LWF: Eberiche Eze (HG)

All Home Grown...

This will take 4 windows

Loan/Sell 2024/25;
Vuskavic
Dorrington
Phillips
Donley
Devine
Scarlett
Veliz
Parrot

Vicario
Johnstone/Austin

Porro Romero VDV Udogie
KWP Dragusin Kelly (Kelly)

Grey
Bissouma/Bentancur
Sarr/Bergvall
Maddison/Gibbs-White/Kulusevski

Olise Isak Eze
Johnson Son Werner

bubble07 · Apr 2, 2024

GioW said:
I'd rather use Donley as a Maddison understudy and go big on 2 dribbly wingers tbh. We're still miles off up top, and I think Ange knows it.

Agree. Drop 100m to palace for eze and olise

spurs9 · Apr 2, 2024

bubble07 said:
I think we need 3 more transfer windows to get the squad at the levels required. The following need to go;

Forster
Whiteman
Emerson
spence
Rodon
Tanganga
Davies
Reguilon
Skipp
Hojberg
GLC (1 yr contract)
Gill
Solomon
Richarlsion (need a better striker)

So we need to scout a new;
Back up GK: Sam Johnstone (HG)
Back up RB: Kyle Walker-Peters (HG)
Back up LCB/LB: Lloyd Kelly (HG)
Starting/rotating CDM: Archie Grey (HG)
Starting RWF: Michael Olise (HG)
Starting CF: Ivan Toney (HG)
Starting LWF: Eberiche Eze (HG)

All Home Grown...

This will take 3 to 4 windows

Loan 24/25;
Vuskavic
Dorrington
Phillips
Donley
Devine
Scarlett
Veliz
Parrot

Johnstone turned us down for Palace to get 1st team football, I doubt he would leave them to be our back up.

bubble07 · Apr 2, 2024

spurs9 said:
Johnstone turned us down for Palace to get 1st team football, I doubt he would leave them to be our back up.

True but if he is back up/rotating with henderson it might be bit more appealing to join us

spurs9 · Apr 2, 2024

bubble07 said:
True but if he is back up/rotating with henderson it might be bit more appealing to join us

He looks to be ahead of Henderson in the pecking order.

bubble07 · Apr 3, 2024

spurs9 said:
He looks to be ahead of Henderson in the pecking order.

Maybe take henderson then but we definitely need a better back up keeper. It's probably the hardest position to sign someone. They either have to be really young or really old or just shit. But with my excellent scouting we won't have a home grown issue so maybe we can get a foreign back up keeper

GioW · Apr 3, 2024

bubble07 said:
Agree. Drop 100m to palace for eze and olise

Eze yes. Olise, hamstrings

But that's the level mate defo

ItsBoris · Apr 3, 2024

bubble07 said:
I think we need 3 more transfer windows to get the squad at the levels required.

15 OUT and 7 IN plus Werner. The following need to go;

Forster
Whiteman
Emerson
spence
Rodon
Tanganga
Davies
Reguilon
Skipp
Hojberg
Ndombele
GLC (1 yr contract)
Gill
Solomon
Richarlsion (need a better striker)

So we need to scout a new;
Back up GK: Sam Johnstone (HG)
Back up RB: Kyle Walker-Peters (HG)
Back up LCB/LB: Lloyd Kelly (HG)
Starting/rotating CDM: Archie Grey (HG)
Starting RWF: Michael Olise (HG)
Starting CF: Ivan Toney (HG)
Starting LWF: Eberiche Eze (HG)

All Home Grown...

This will take 3 to 4 windows

Loan 24/25;
Vuskavic
Dorrington
Phillips
Donley
Devine
Scarlett
Veliz
Parrot

Vicario
Johnstone

Porro Romero VDV Udogie
KWP Dragusin Kelly (Kelly)

Grey
Bissouma/Bentancur
Sarr Maddison
Bergvall Kulusevski

Olise Toney Eze
Johnson Son Werner

Eze is more of a #10 and his output this season is much less than Johnson's. He is an easy on the eyes player though no pun intended. But idk if would be much of an upgrade on what we have already.

Toney 100% agree. My first choice would be Kane back but short of that Toney should be a top target for us imo.

Olise would be a good option as right wing I think. Not sure about the hamstring thing the previous poster mentioned, but it's a good shout.

I'm gonna double down on what I said a few pages back. In Ange's system, where you want the wingers to stay wide to let the fullbacks cut inside, I can't think of a more suited player than Jeremie Frimpong. He basically plays as a winger for Leverkusen anyway, and would have the workrate to press high up the pitch, plus scores and assists plenty of goals.

It also sounds like we're after a top quality #6. Think Alastair Gold mentioned Ederson from Atalanta. That would be a smart one but difficult to complete I think

Now it's Spursonal · Apr 3, 2024

Vicario Bazunu

Porro Royal

Romero Dragusin

Van De Ven Calafiori

Udogie Calafiori

Bentancur/Sarr Bergvall

Koopmeiners Bissouma

Maddison Gudmundsson

Johnson Gudmundsson

Son Awoniyi

N. Williams Werner

The squad still needs a tonne of improvement so tried to make signing versatile players the name of the game. Even in doing so though, I still required 6 signings to complete the squad and that was without improving on Royal.

First signing was Bazunu from Southampton for backup keeper. He's homegrown, been much improved in the championship this year, is very confident with his feet and if Southampton stay down then I think he'd be happy to come in as our cup keeper. All boxes ticked imo.

Second signing is Calafiori from Bologna. I've seen the comparison be made before that he's a much better version of Ben Davies and I think its spot on. Physically he's much faster and taller than Davies, which already makes for a pretty decent player, but he's also just all around more skilful than Davies. He also is brilliant at recovery tackles when running towards his own goal, which is hugely important for Ange's defenders. Like Davies then, he's super versatile and would be able to slot in at Full Back and Left Centre Back perfectly, so kills two birds with the one stone. Also he's still only 21 so has loads of room to grow. Only issue is that Bologna are very likely to qualify for Champions League this year, but if the rumours of Thiago Motta (their manager) leaving are true, then I could see Calafiori being happy to potentially move on.

Third signing is Koopmeiners from Atalanta who I've already talked about enough here, but just to quickly reiterate, I think his passing range from deep would be a gamechanger for us. I honestly cant remember the last time we had a deep lying playmaker like him, he would speed up our game so much. Likes of Johnson and Werner would be in dreamland playing with him.

Fourth signing is Gudmundsson from Genoa. He has his own thread so wont speak much about him either, but I think the strong links to both him and Eze point to the fact that we want a super versatile 10 that's a very strong dribbler so can also play on the wings if needed. I actually imagine Eze is the top target here, with Gudmundsson the backup if Eze goes to Man City. (Sidenote: Man City's top target for this position is Paqueta, so if he gets away with his gambling charges then I think we've a decent chance at Eze)

Fifth signing is Awoniyi from Nottingham Forest. I've been very vocal in the past and still believe now that Ange doesn't require a superstar striker. All I feel we need is a battering ram of a striker to deal with low blocks such as Wolves, West Ham etc. And I cant think of any better man than Awoniyi for that. He's prem proven, he's an absolute truck, and throws around premier league Centre Backs like they're kids. Forest obviously are struggling with FFP so will definitely be selling in the summer whether they stay up or not, and we all know how Levy loves a discount fire-sale. Also has the added benefit of a year linking up with Brennan Johnson.

Sixth and final signing is Nico Williams from Bilbao. Enough has been said about Williams already, but this is definitely the position we should go all out for. Whether that's Williams, Kvara or someone else I don't know, but this has to be our major marquee signing.

Edit: Just seen the @Trix itk there. Assuming it's for Gibbs-White rather than Awoniyi, then you can add him to the Gudmundsson and Eze list of versatile dribbly 10's.

sidford · Apr 3, 2024

Bazunu has been a 1st choice keeper for past 4 seasons including loans and a year in premier league. He's going nowhere to be a backup keeper. If he wanted to be a back up he'd still be at city picking up bigger wages and trophies every season but that's not him.

purplemonkey · Apr 3, 2024

I’d love to see us go for Lobotka. I really think we need a midfield conductor and he is as good a profile as it gets for a 6 in our system IMO. Ordinarily it’d be tough to get him out of Napoli but given their disastrous title defence you’d expect some level of unrest and potentially upheaval, especially with a new coach on the horizon (rumoured to be Conte), while he is probably more expendable than Osimhen or Kvara. We know that Paratici likes shopping in Italy and it makes sense to target one of the key players from Spalletti’s successful fluid, high pressing, attacking outfit given the obvious synergy and the style of play that Ange is keen to implement. Having an experienced operator who can plug the gaps, knit play and orchestrate attacks would be game changing. At the moment Maddison is dropping too deep to play that role when he is more effective and more valuable to us closer to goal with his ability on the ball and off the cuff creativity that no one else provides.

Joelinton would be my pick as an 8. He’s in the last year of his contract so will be affordable and I think he shares a lot of the qualities that we like Gallagher for, with the added benefit that he’s a man mountain and will give us the physical dimension that this team is lacking (especially if we had a more diminutive DM such as Lobotka). IIRC we are in the bottom 3 for aerial duels and having someone like him protecting Vicario would instantly mitigate our weakness on corners. Again, he is a pressing machine and he has the hybridity and flexibility that Ange seems to favour having transitioned from a forward to a midfielder. He could provide tactical flexibility similar to how Arteta utilises Havertz in the big games.

joey55 · Apr 3, 2024

I still think Sander Berge should be at a top club. He needs to convert to becoming a fulltime DM at a top club, like us, and not a box to box or even attacking player at rubbish clubs. At Burnley he's playing in a 442 and does well, but in a 3 man midfield, in a possession team, he'd be great shielding the back 4 imo and he's got the passing range that someone like Onana is missing. If he was Spanish I'm sure he'd have been a DM throughout his career.

TEESSIDE1 · Apr 3, 2024

This player has just scored two for Heracles against 4th placed Alkmaar - I would sign him just for his name

matty74 · Apr 3, 2024

joey55 said:
I still think Sander Berge should be at a top club. He needs to convert to becoming a fulltime DM at a top club, like us, and not a box to box or even attacking player at rubbish clubs. At Burnley he's playing in a 442 and does well, but in a 3 man midfield, in a possession team, he'd be great shielding the back 4 imo and he's got the passing range that someone like Onana is missing. If he was Spanish I'm sure he'd have been a DM throughout his career.

Think he has fallen away over the last 2-3 seasons . Definitely arrived in this country with huge potential, but I guess playing for teams like Sheffield united and Burnley hasn’t really helped

jpascavitz · Apr 3, 2024

Yes, at the same time however, I personally would be targeting Vinicius Souza from Sheffield. I know everyone wants Joao Palinha (and he's great), but in terms of tackles those two and Joao Gomes from Wolves have been in a league of their own this season.

Souza is a pure 6, however I would just flag that his and Palinha's weaknesses seem to be in the passing department. Could Souza be better in a better side? Most likely. I bet he stays in a top league and gets picked up for pretty cheap

Now it's Spursonal · Apr 3, 2024

jpascavitz said:
Yes, at the same time however, I personally would be targeting Vinicius Souza from Sheffield. I know everyone wants Joao Palinha (and he's great), but in terms of tackles those two and Joao Gomes from Wolves have been in a league of their own this season.

Souza is a pure 6, however I would just flag that his and Palinha's weaknesses seem to be in the passing department. Could Souza be better in a better side? Most likely. I bet he stays in a top league and gets picked up for pretty cheap

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Really like what I've seen of Joao Gomes

Barmby Army · Apr 3, 2024

jpascavitz said:
Yes, at the same time however, I personally would be targeting Vinicius Souza from Sheffield. I know everyone wants Joao Palinha (and he's great), but in terms of tackles those two and Joao Gomes from Wolves have been in a league of their own this season.

Souza is a pure 6, however I would just flag that his and Palinha's weaknesses seem to be in the passing department. Could Souza be better in a better side? Most likely. I bet he stays in a top league and gets picked up for pretty cheap

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Just as likely that he's exposed in a better side IMO. He wouldn't be required to make that number of tackles, so other, weaker areas of his game would come to the fore. FWIW I think Palhinha probably falls into that category too - he's brilliant at what he does, and in the right system there aren't many you'd want above him for that sitting midfield role. But our system would expose his flaws and not make the best use of his strengths, a little like Hojbjerg now.

spurs9 · Apr 3, 2024

jpascavitz said:
Yes, at the same time however, I personally would be targeting Vinicius Souza from Sheffield. I know everyone wants Joao Palinha (and he's great), but in terms of tackles those two and Joao Gomes from Wolves have been in a league of their own this season.

Souza is a pure 6, however I would just flag that his and Palinha's weaknesses seem to be in the passing department. Could Souza be better in a better side? Most likely. I bet he stays in a top league and gets picked up for pretty cheap

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Souza's passing stats are awful and whilst Gomes and Palinha's are better, neither's passing are good enough for what we need in a #6.

jpascavitz · Apr 3, 2024

spurs9 said:
Souza's passing stats are awful and whilst Gomes and Palinha's are better, neither's passing are good enough for what we need in a #6.

Then I guess where I get tripped up is that why Ange seems to be targeting another 8 because he thinks he could do a job there? I know he said forget the traditional roles but many would argue that Ederson (who we've been linked with), Fofana and Gallagher are more in that 8 mould than a strict 6. Will be interesting to track

Stuart Leathercock · Apr 3, 2024

Now it's Spursonal said:
Vicario Bazunu

Porro Royal

Romero Dragusin

Van De Ven Calafiori

Udogie Calafiori

Bentancur/Sarr Bergvall

Koopmeiners Bissouma

Maddison Gudmundsson

Johnson Gudmundsson

Son Awoniyi

N. Williams Werner

The squad still needs a tonne of improvement so tried to make signing versatile players the name of the game. Even in doing so though, I still required 6 signings to complete the squad and that was without improving on Royal.

First signing was Bazunu from Southampton for backup keeper. He's homegrown, been much improved in the championship this year, is very confident with his feet and if Southampton stay down then I think he'd be happy to come in as our cup keeper. All boxes ticked imo.

Second signing is Calafiori from Bologna. I've seen the comparison be made before that he's a much better version of Ben Davies and I think its spot on. Physically he's much faster and taller than Davies, which already makes for a pretty decent player, but he's also just all around more skilful than Davies. He also is brilliant at recovery tackles when running towards his own goal, which is hugely important for Ange's defenders. Like Davies then, he's super versatile and would be able to slot in at Full Back and Left Centre Back perfectly, so kills two birds with the one stone. Also he's still only 21 so has loads of room to grow. Only issue is that Bologna are very likely to qualify for Champions League this year, but if the rumours of Thiago Motta (their manager) leaving are true, then I could see Calafiori being happy to potentially move on.

Third signing is Koopmeiners from Atalanta who I've already talked about enough here, but just to quickly reiterate, I think his passing range from deep would be a gamechanger for us. I honestly cant remember the last time we had a deep lying playmaker like him, he would speed up our game so much. Likes of Johnson and Werner would be in dreamland playing with him.

Fourth signing is Gudmundsson from Genoa. He has his own thread so wont speak much about him either, but I think the strong links to both him and Eze point to the fact that we want a super versatile 10 that's a very strong dribbler so can also play on the wings if needed. I actually imagine Eze is the top target here, with Gudmundsson the backup if Eze goes to Man City. (Sidenote: Man City's top target for this position is Paqueta, so if he gets away with his gambling charges then I think we've a decent chance at Eze)

Fifth signing is Awoniyi from Nottingham Forest. I've been very vocal in the past and still believe now that Ange doesn't require a superstar striker. All I feel we need is a battering ram of a striker to deal with low blocks such as Wolves, West Ham etc. And I cant think of any better man than Awoniyi for that. He's prem proven, he's an absolute truck, and throws around premier league Centre Backs like they're kids. Forest obviously are struggling with FFP so will definitely be selling in the summer whether they stay up or not, and we all know how Levy loves a discount fire-sale. Also has the added benefit of a year linking up with Brennan Johnson.

Sixth and final signing is Nico Williams from Bilbao. Enough has been said about Williams already, but this is definitely the position we should go all out for. Whether that's Williams, Kvara or someone else I don't know, but this has to be our major marquee signing.

Edit: Just seen the @Trix itk there. Assuming it's for Gibbs-White rather than Awoniyi, then you can add him to the Gudmundsson and Eze list of versatile dribbly 10's.

Wouldn’t this take us over the allowed number of overseas players?

Personally I think we should also be looking for 2 or 3 association trained players, such as Lloyd Kelly as cover at centre back (on a free). Robinson as competition for Udogie at left back and Archie Gray at Leeds for central midfield,

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