Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

hughy · Nov 9, 2022

Trix said:
Think we'll have a RWB coming in in January personally.

I'd presume that means one will be heading for the exit then, with the most logical being Spence on loan.

I just hope he goes to a team who plays a similar system to us, otherwise it's another 6 months down the drain.

Led Revolver · Nov 9, 2022

I wonder if the plan might have been to get him up to speed by the World Cup, and introduce him more after that? He’ll have time to work with Conte more during the break too.

Those few who won’t be going to Qatar will have a few weeks to prove they’re still up to the task before the window opens.

Freddie · Nov 9, 2022

The Djed Spence thread nearly has as many pages as the Hugo one and he's been here a decade. Give him a game Tony!

Neon_Knight_ · Nov 9, 2022

Trix said:
Well you might think, or even know that but would Conte after the last few weeks? Style of play and intensity in the first half aside, I have never seen a team so high in the league and topping their CL group get booed as often as we do right now. Now there may be circumstances that some will say deserve that, for me a sustained lack of effort is the only reason I'd ever contemplate showing my frustration this way. As I say the fact we sat third and at every press conference the booing was brought up by the press is a real concern.

I'd say the closest we've been to this situation before was under Mourinho, just before our results started to decline, when there was unrest from fans about negative tactics.

Deleted member 27855 · Nov 9, 2022

dontcallme said:
Conte regularly talks about patterns of play and players needing to be able to fit into this. It takes time to adjust tactically to a new team. Bissouma barely featured for the first few months. He is one of the best midfielders in the Prem.

It's very possible that Spence is just taking a bit longer to adjust to this.

I'm behind Conte 100% but IDK how people buy this excuse from him. It certainly didn't take forever for him to integrate Kulusevski and Bentancur into the squad last season.

dontcallme · Nov 9, 2022

ravenspurs said:
I'm behind Conte 100% but IDK how people buy this excuse from him. It certainly didn't take forever for him to integrate Kulusevski and Bentancur into the squad last season.

Maybe they fit into the team and what he needed more easily.

You know, because different people are different.,

Hakkz · Nov 9, 2022

Yeah the easiest way to protect him from getting booed is to never play him.

dontcallme · Nov 9, 2022

Hakkz said:
Yeah the easiest way to protect him from getting booed is to never play him.

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Or to represent the opinion fairly, let’s get a young player new to the league up to standard before playing him.

Trix · Nov 9, 2022

Hakkz said:
Yeah the easiest way to protect him from getting booed is to never play him.

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I'm not saying it's the reason he isn't being played, but if Conte is already thinking he's not mentally ready for the step up the fans groaning at every poor touch and misplaced pass along with the booing isn't going to make him think it's a risk worth taking.

dontcallme · Nov 9, 2022

Trix said:
I'm not saying it's the reason he isn't being played, but if Conte is already thinking he's not mentally ready for the step up it could well add to that.

I’d players aren’t up to standard they get slaughtered by portions of the fan base.

Your view is perfectly, even if people do want to misrepresent it.

Trix · Nov 9, 2022

Neon_Knight_ said:
I'd say the closest we've been to this situation before was under Mourinho, just before our results started to decline, when there was unrest from fans about negative tactics.

And those that boo will say they saw it coming and that's why they were booing, yet on the other hand as you say it was just before the results started to decline. What if that negativity fed into the side and was partly the reason the results started to drop off?

Legacy · Nov 9, 2022

Apparently this guy can't handle the pressure of getting a few minutes off the bench at the end of a match.

Japhet · Nov 9, 2022

dontcallme said:
Maybe they fit into the team and what he needed more easily.

You know, because different people are different.,

I think there's more than an element of Conte being a stubborn fucker who's trying to show Levy who's boss. He didn't choose Spence so won't play him and maybe we've reached a point where he won't play now because he might actually be better than Emerson and make Conte look a mug. What has he had, 3 minutes or something ridiculous?

Hakkz · Nov 9, 2022

Trix said:
I'm not saying it's the reason he isn't being played, but if Conte is already thinking he's not mentally ready for the step up the fans groaning at every poor touch and misplaced pass along with the booing isn't going to make him think it's a risk worth taking.

I understand your point but I don't agree with it. For a proper junior player sure, but players need to learn how to handle tough environments. Doesnt seem like he has any future here anyway.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Nov 9, 2022

Japhet said:
I think there's more than an element of Conte being a stubborn fucker who's trying to show Levy who's boss. He didn't choose Spence so won't play him and maybe we've reached a point where he won't play now because he might actually be better than Emerson and make Conte look a mug. What has he had, 3 minutes or something ridiculous?

This is exactly what it is imo and it sucks because it's to the detriment of the team. Spence may be raw and have a lot of improving to do but he'd offer a lot of the attributes that we aren't currently getting from RWB. He has the searing pace, the dribbling and ball carrying ability, the desire to attack players and the box and get to the byline too. His crossing and some of his build up play need work but here's the thing, Emerson and Doherty can't cross and don't cross in both cases.

Spence would also occupy defenders which would create space for Deki and it would also give Deki someone to feed in behind outside or inside him. RWB is the clear weak point of our team and is the obvious place to give a younger player with the skills a go to try and improve it.

It's so, so frustrating because I really feel we're missing an opportunity and could end up wasting yet another young player who has the tools to help us in that position.

I don't mind signing a more established RWB but there simply aren't many options out there who fit all of Conte's criteria. Yet we have someone who does fit his criteria and isn't even going to get proper game time up until the World Cup break.

And yes I'll be told the manager knows best etc but that isn't always the case. Just because they're top coaches it doesn't mean all of their decisions are correct. Coaches being too risk averse with younger players is a common issue not just with Conte. Imagine if we'd had this attitude with Lennon, Bale, Dele etc. They'd never have broken through. I mean heck we nearly lost Bale as it was until Redknapp finally gave him a chance due to injury! Those are the fine margins careers can sometimes balance on.

We could potentially have a top RWB in the making if we just give him some gametime. We are shit at RWB anyway so the bar for him is low!

dontcallme · Nov 9, 2022

Japhet said:
I think there's more than an element of Conte being a stubborn fucker who's trying to show Levy who's boss. He didn't choose Spence so won't play him and maybe we've reached a point where he won't play now because he might actually be better than Emerson and make Conte look a mug. What has he had, 3 minutes or something ridiculous?

Conte appears happy with the business we have done in the last 2 windows. He has consistently said he knows getting all he needs will take several windows.

Outside of fans building Spence up to
mythological levels, there’s really no basis for your opinion.

Conte hates losing and loves quality wing backs. I can’t imagine him playing a weakened side through stubbornness.

Trix · Nov 9, 2022

Hakkz said:
I understand your point but I don't agree with it. For a proper junior player sure, but players need to learn how to handle tough environments. Doesn't seem like he has any future here anyway.

I don't know it's a difficult one to work out tbh.

He never wanted him but then wasn't against him coming in. He doesn't seem to want to play him, but then he's been taking time to work with him so certainly isn't writing him off.

Japhet · Nov 9, 2022

dontcallme said:
Conte appears happy with the business we have done in the last 2 windows. He has consistently said he knows getting all he needs will take several windows.

Outside of fans building Spence up to
mythological levels, there’s really no basis for your opinion.

Conte hates losing and loves quality wing backs. I can’t imagine him playing a weakened side through stubbornness.

Did you see him play for Forest v Arsenal in the cup last year? There's some basis for people's opinions right there in case you missed it. He pocketed Martinelli for the whole match - the same Martinelli who ripped into us at the Emirates.

Nick-TopSpursMan · Nov 9, 2022

Japhet said:
Did you see him play for Forest v Arsenal in the cup last year? There's some basis for people's opinions right there in case you missed it. He pocketed Martinelli for the whole match - the same Martinelli who ripped into us at the Emirates.

He also took Leicester apart and had a decent game against Liverpool too.

Again if we had a top class RWB I'd be more understanding but we are terribly weak at RWB, he should have been given an opportunity by now, even if it was 15/20 mins in games to start with.

Even if we got a top class RWB, I'd like to see Spence as the rotation option.

dontcallme · Nov 9, 2022

Japhet said:
Did you see him play for Forest v Arsenal in the cup last year? There's some basis for people's opinions right there in case you missed it. He pocketed Martinelli for the whole match - the same Martinelli who ripped into us at the Emirates.

I haven’t said anything that remotely resembles Spence being without quality.

But please share the basis for your view that Conte didn’t want Spence and now won’t play him out of spite.

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