Player Watch - Djed Spence - Genoa

[Bluto Blutarsky]

He must be so frustrated.

Maybe. But, he is getting paid well, and is being trained by a world class coach. There are a lot worse things that could happen to a lad.

Sessegnon went through this 4 years ago, went out on loan, and is now working to break into the squad. Sarr is in the same boat. Bryan probably thinks he should play more. Tanganga is probably wondering if anyone remembers he is still here. Its tough being a young player trying to break into a team with top-4 expectations.

 

[mil1lion]

Maybe. But, he is getting paid well, and is being trained by a world class coach. There are a lot worse things that could happen to a lad.

Sessegnon went through this 4 years ago, went out on loan, and is now working to break into the squad. Sarr is in the same boat. Bryan probably thinks he should play more. Tanganga is probably wondering if anyone remembers he is still here. Its tough being a young player trying to break into a team with top-4 expectations.

The physios do

 

[chrissivad]

The issue for me is that's half a season with almost no football for him.

If he isn't ready for the first team, why couldn't he get some game time with the u21's at least.

Means he would be a bit sharper if he did get a game, or if we loan him out.

 

[worcestersauce]

The issue for me is that's half a season with almost no football for him.

If he isn't ready for the first team, why couldn't he get some game time with the u21's at least.

Means he would be a bit sharper if he did get a game, or if we loan him out.

I guess at least he's training with the first team and so if or when he does play he'll be in synch but I really thought he'd get a start for this one.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I guess at least he's training with the first team and so if or when he does play he'll be in synch but I really thought he'd get a start for this one.

Unfortunately I'm quite sure he wouldn't get a start. Conte wouldn't do that to any players who have only 3 minutes of game time. I hope he has at least 30 minutes of run out. Really feel bad for him already if he still doesn't.

 

[HedgieSpur]

And perhaps that's another part of the reason? He won't throw a young kid into the mix before he's ready to be booed and shouted at when he makes a mistake. At home at least, it's pretty volatile at the moment and those in the wide area's are catching most of the flak.

Very rarely I disagree with you Trix but this is reads as slightly disingenuous imo.

I can say with upmost certainty that Spence would not get booed, even if he made a gazillion mistakes.

I’d expect him to put the effort in and provide pace and penetration. If he made lots of misdates, as fans we’d understand and appreciate the effort…… particularly so, given the paucity of the alternatives.

Let’s not be hyperbolic about the booing.

 

[Trix]

Very rarely I disagree with you Trix but this is reads as slightly disingenuous imo.

I can say with upmost certainty that Spence would not get booed, even if he made a gazillion mistakes.

I’d expect him to put the effort in and provide pace and penetration. If he made lots of misdates, as fans we’d understand and appreciate the effort…… particularly so, given the paucity of the alternatives.

Let’s not be hyperbolic about the booing.

Well you might think, or even know that but would Conte after the last few weeks? Style of play and intensity in the first half aside, I have never seen a team so high in the league and topping their CL group get booed as often as we do right now. Now there may be circumstances that some will say deserve that, for me a sustained lack of effort is the only reason I'd ever contemplate showing my frustration this way. As I say the fact we sat third and at every press conference the booing was brought up by the press is a real concern.

 

[GutBucket]

He isn't that young, he is same age as Sessegnon, so a year older than Sess last season who started plenty of games and had to adapt to new tactics etc.

It took a while for Bissouma to start getting minutes and he looked way off early in the season (and preseason) so Conte probably knows what he is doing, but he was also getting some minutes at least, which is helping him rediscover his old form and he finally looked good against Liverpool. Doubt he would play that well if he never got any minutes on the pitch.

Also Spence isn't some timid boy (way less than Sessegnon), he is more similar to Ibrahimovic and Haaland in his arrogance and confidence. Martinelli said he was best defender he ever played against last year, and he had easy time against us in last match. Conte can sometimes decide too quickly that player isn't good enough (Perišić at first at Inter), but who knows. Maybe we'll see him in action against Forrest.

Anyway, my point is, that even if he isn't good enough at this moment, he should be getting some minutes at least, it would help him reach his potential like it's helping Bissouma. He will probably be loaned.

 

[HedgieSpur]

Well you might think, or even know that but would Conte after the last few weeks? Style of play and intensity in the first half aside, I have never seen a team so high in the league and topping their CL group get booed as often as we do right now. Now there may be circumstances that some will say deserve that, for me a sustained lack of effort is the only reason I'd ever contemplate showing my frustration this way. As I say the fact we sat third and at every press conference the booing was brought up by the press is a real concern.

I hear you, but the media will latch onto anything they can for a story...especially if its negative regarding Spurs. From what I see at games, the booing tends to happen when the players are incredibly negative, play at walking pace when we are losing or their body language is poor.

In any event, its good to hear that Spence is working hard and lets hope he gets an opportunity soon.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

And perhaps that's another part of the reason? He won't throw a young kid into the mix before he's ready to be booed and shouted at when he makes a mistake. At home at least, it's pretty volatile at the moment and those in the wide area's are catching most of the flak.

no one is going to boo a kid who hasn't played a game for club on his debut

 

[Trix]

I hear you, but the media will latch onto anything they can for a story...especially if its negative regarding Spurs. From what I see at games, the booing tends to happen when the players are incredibly negative, play at walking pace when we are losing or their body language is poor.

In any event, its good to hear that Spence is working hard and lets hope he gets an opportunity soon.

As I posted mate Conte has been working with him, still believe he'll go on loan though.

 

[iddebu52]

no one is going to boo a kid who hasn't played a game for club on his debut

You'd be surprised at certain genius posters that write in here!

 

[seanyboy]

Spence is not ready: Stellini.


In the past the club has used this competition to give younger players opportunities, the fans are keen to see Djed Spence, could this be a chance for him to feature especially as he knows Forest well?

For our young players, every game is the game because we trust in them, but they are young players. If we think the EFL Cup is an important competition, we need the players who are ready to play this type of game. It's a knockout game and Djed Spence is one of those for sure, because he works hard every day.

But sometimes they need time. Not every player is the same. Sometimes some players that arrive from another league like the Championship and they need more time to be ready, but we are happy with Djed. Really happy because he works hard, but he needs time and we need to take the right decision for him. Sometimes with young players you have to be careful. If you hurry to use this type of player you can create a problem for them. So when will be the right time, Djed Spence will play.


You work with Djed on the training pitches, and with that gap between the Championship and this club, what have you worked with him on?

When you played in the Championship, your step up is so big, that are lot of things to work on. It's about a lot of situations. It's not only technical and tactical, because Djed Spence is working hard and we are happy with him.

But when you can play in a club where it's 'you can win or not win a game, we try the next time', at this level that's not possible. There is only one solution and that's to win the game. It's difficult for a young player or another player who comes from other competitions, like the Championship, to play under pressure and to be ready to play under pressure. It's not about him, it's about young players and different levels of games.

Another read would be that when he says pressure it's not the pressure in the game he's taking about but the pressure of potentially fucking up and having to get on with life after the game

Lloris et al can digest and heal as mature professionals but perhaps he thinks the hit to confidence would be too much for Spence and set back progress

 

[Trix]

I hear you, but the media will latch onto anything they can for a story...especially if its negative regarding Spurs. From what I see at games, the booing tends to happen when the players are incredibly negative, play at walking pace when we are losing or their body language is poor.

In any event, its good to hear that Spence is working hard and lets hope he gets an opportunity soon.

Body language experts showing their frustration eh.

Speaks volumes.

 

[djhotspur]

As I posted mate Conte has been working with him, still believe he'll go on loan though.

It makes sense to go on loan in the prem but no where else IMO. But if we are bringing in a RWB in Jan he has to go on loan as hell have zero chance to play. Jus have to hope he has a great loan and then comes back in pre season and really kicks on to become a starter or at least rotation next season.

 

[Trix]

It makes sense to go on loan in the prem but no where else IMO. But if we are bringing in a RWB in Jan he has to go on loan as hell have zero chance to play. Jus have to hope he has a great loan and then comes back in pre season and really kicks on to become a starter or at least rotation next season.

As I kept saying all Summer, it was a stupid signing right from the off.

 

[TOLBINY]

He is either not impressing enough in training or Conte, for reasons best known to him (perhaps because he did not actively encourage the signing or perhaps the lad cannot defend?) is deliberately not utilising him. Same can be said for PM Sarr.

I have no idea if either of the above would prove successful in the Prem. I expect Conte has more idea than me, although even he cannot be certain unless and until they are tried. All managers have their favourites as well as those they just don't 'fancy'. Perhaps Spence is one on them. Shame, I would like him to be given a few games especially as we do not currently excel at RWB.

 

[dontcallme]

He is either not impressing enough in training or Conte, for reasons best known to him (perhaps because he did not actively encourage the signing or perhaps the lad cannot defend?) is deliberately not utilising him. Same can be said for PM Sarr.

I have no idea if either of the above would prove successful in the Prem. I expect Conte has more idea than me, although even he cannot be certain unless and until they are tried. All managers have their favourites as well as those they just don't 'fancy'. Perhaps Spence is one on them. Shame, I would like him to be given a few games especially as we do not currently excel at RWB.

Conte regularly talks about patterns of play and players needing to be able to fit into this. It takes time to adjust tactically to a new team. Bissouma barely featured for the first few months. He is one of the best midfielders in the Prem.

It's very possible that Spence is just taking a bit longer to adjust to this.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

If he doesn’t start tonight, gotta feel for the guy.
Hopefully he gets a loan in Jan to another PL team.
Which is quite ridiculously really, because he’ll probably smash it there, whilst we’re still playing Emerson …

 

[Trix]

If he doesn’t start tonight, gotta feel for the guy.
Hopefully he gets a loan in Jan to another PL team.
Which is quite ridiculously really, because he’ll probably smash it there, whilst we’re still playing Emerson …

Think we'll have a RWB coming in in January personally.