Match Threads Spurs Vs Newcastle

Swalien said:

Why does Sarr not get a look in or Giil ? To my knowledge I thought they were slightly creative. as we seem to lack any creativity whatsoever without Kulu,

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I genuinely forgot about Sarr

VoteMe4Prez said:

The ones that need to go are Sanchez, Davies, Lucas, Dier and Sessegnon

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I forgot, Emerson also needs to go

This concept that it’s all because Kulusevski is injured is nonsense too. He played against Chelsea, West Ham and Wolves at home and we’re complete rubbish in all those games. It’s so much bigger than just missing one admittedly very good player.

Spurslove said:

I don't know what to say about Hugo.

On Wednesday, he saved our arses from getting a real hiding by bringing out 4 or 5 absolute 'worldies'.

Today, he cost us at least one of their goals and arguably, both.

Somehow, and I have no idea how, we are still in 3rd place but we won't be for long.

Folks, I'm afraid I have to say Sessignon has to go, and he might next season, when we see a real left wing back arrive in Udogie. It's pretty clear, Sess cannot cross a ball, and for a wing back, that's a no-no.

When I saw the team sheet and saw Emerson in the team, my heart sank, but in fairness to him, he was far from our worst player today.

I think we badly missed Hojbjerg today. Hope he's OK and back real soon.

Losing our first home game this season hurts, and it hurts BAD, but Newcash have one of the best defences in the EPL and they're a far tougher prospect than they ever were previously. Their physicality is on a completely different level to ours, and you have to hold your hands up and give Eddie Howe lots of credit for that.

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On Hugo, I've felt this for a long time but I don't think he is a good captain.

To me his is a bit boring tbh, he wouldn't motivate me and added to that he's either incredible (vs Man.U) or he has a brain fart (today and other games).

I wonder if we made PEH or Kane captain if that might change the dynamic of how we play etc.

Spurslove said:

I don't know what to say about Hugo.

On Wednesday, he saved our arses from getting a real hiding by bringing out 4 or 5 absolute 'worldies'.

Today, he cost us at least one of their goals and arguably, both.

Somehow, and I have no idea how, we are still in 3rd place but we won't be for long.

Folks, I'm afraid I have to say Sessignon has to go, and he might next season, when we see a real left wing back arrive in Udogie. It's pretty clear, Sess cannot cross a ball, and for a wing back, that's a no-no.

When I saw the team sheet and saw Emerson in the team, my heart sank, but in fairness to him, he was far from our worst player today.

I think we badly missed Hojbjerg today. Hope he's OK and back real soon.

Losing our first home game this season hurts, and it hurts BAD, but Newcash have one of the best defences in the EPL and they're a far tougher prospect than they ever were previously. Their physicality is on a completely different level to ours, and you have to hold your hands up and give Eddie Howe lots of credit for that.

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He had 2 very good saves (vs Rashford). The rest were all saves a goalkeeper of any professional level has to make.

rossdapep said:

You're not far off.

To be fair you dont need 11 technical passers, it certainly helps.

But Bissoumas ability to glide through the press is another good asset.

Yet, as you state, that number is too low. In Conte's system you need 2 CBs who have very good technical ability, I think Romero and Lenglet are but thats it.

Lloris is a problem in this respect.

ALL of our wing backs are poor or average, although in Conte's system its okay if one is powerful and can be effective in attack. Sadly, they aren't.

Hojbjerg is a good squad player but again he's limited on the ball compared to what Conte has had before.

Even Sonny is weak in this area and Richarlison is more of a flick on type.

Kulusevski is gravy though.

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So true but will Levy give funds for the right type of player Conte needs? I doubt it now Uncle Joe has backed down. Our poor form has caught up with us and we are getting caught out
Not sure where are next win is coming from don't even fancy us to beat Bournemouth the way they are playing.

fishhhandaricecake said:

On Hugo, I've felt this for a long time but I don't think he is a good captain.

To me his is a bit boring tbh, he wouldn't motivate me and added to that he's either incredible (vs Man.U) or he has a brain fart (today and other games).

I wonder if we made PEH or Kane captain if that might change the dynamic of how we play etc.

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Really good point I can’t think of many teams win much with goalkeeper captains ? Unless it’s world cups of course!

fishhhandaricecake said:

On Hugo, I've felt this for a long time but I don't think he is a good captain.

To me his is a bit boring tbh, he wouldn't motivate me and added to that he's either incredible (vs Man.U) or he has a brain fart (today and other games).

I wonder if we made PEH or Kane captain if that might change the dynamic of how we play etc.

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What about the stats that say he’s earned us far more points than he’s lost us?

he makes high profile blunders but over time we are better with him on the side. Should we just react to one or two games or try to judge him over a longer period of time?

the bigger problem is our inability to play through opponents’ high presses effectively. It causes mistakes and puts unnecessary pressure on our defenders too often. Until we address that issue, we’ll be moaning about goalkeeper errors even though it’s not why we are shit.

We beat ourselves today. 2 unnecessary goals.

Replacing Hugo is becoming a priority. Imo

I said last week that this week was going to show us where we stand going into the second half of the season. I wish I could say I’m surprised at how badly we did in what, I believe, was a pivotal week in our season. I’m not surprised because this is who we’ve become as a club in the last 40 years or so. Whenever we’re asked to show our potential to be contenders we fail to show up. Time after time we fold under the expectation of meaningful progress.

Today, although Newcastle played well, we basically beat ourselves. Both goals were the result of a lack of mental fortitude, the ability to stay focused under pressure. Why is Dier standing still and appealing for a foul when his first instinct has to be to get back on the goal line to protect the goal? For the second goal 3 players, Lloris, Sess, and Lenglet, lacked any form of focus or determination to prevent Newcastle getting in a scoring position.


It doesn’t matter who the manger is - 3 serial winners in Graham, Mourinho and now Conte have failed to instill a winning mentality in the club. It could be argued that the problem is that they are managers with a, defensive, mentality which is contrary to Tottenham’s traditional style of play. Nevertheless they failed to mold the team into a consistent coherent unit while they successfully did so elsewhere.

It doesn’t matter who the players are. They could have been successful elsewhere beforehand and could leave and be successful at other clubs but while at Tottenham they are at best wildly inconsistent.

I have no answer to why this is so but it just seems to be an inexplicable fact that as a club we lack the mental fortitude to be a real contender for trophies. I firmly believe we could have Pep as manager under money no problem owners and we would still continue to crumble when the pressure was on.

I’m loathe to jump on the “it’s Levy’s fault” bandwagon but I can’t help feeling that after sacking Poch, which he had to do at the time, he erred when he sought instant success by appointing serial winners in Morinho and Conte. Not just because of their style of play but because our best days have nearly always been through a more project style manager with a philosophy more akin to the clubs. As I said earlier although the suggestion was mocked by many at the time, including myself it had to be said, we could have done a lot worse appointing Howe after Poch.

wadewill said:

Exactly this. Last season he came in half way through, took a few months for the ideas to get across to the players and it worked. Give it a summer of teams able to look into how we play and it’s easy to negate. We are poor, make no mistake about it. We have been bad ALL season, apart from Fulham when have we actually looked like the better team in a game.

The defence has gone to shit and that was the only plus point. I just don’t see how it changes with the players we have either. They aren’t good enough and if Contes tactics are out dated, we are in big trouble

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That's true but at the same time you need ample options to make small changes or even so, refine your system.

At the moment, especially with injuries, we don't have that.

I think initially he took Doherty, Dier etc up a level or two. That got us top 4.

But now you need to go up again and some of these players are simply incapable of reaching that level.

You need players who can continue to get better.

Do you honestly see that with some of these?

I hate losing, ofc I do
But the sooner we realize that we have a very very very poor squad, the easier it will be to move on.
Can't think of a worse group of defensive players in any other premier team....players like Sess, royal, Doherty, Sanchez, Dier, Davies lenglet even perisic and ofc Hugo.

Seriously... dross
Can't believe that lot are 3rd and in The CL...... enjoy it won't be for long

Levy get your cash out ,we need an entire defence fella and a keeper.

Just seen a replay of first goal , there is nothing to complain about, Lloris totally at fault had ample opportunity to put the ball in the upper tier west stand.

St José Dominguez said:

This concept that it’s all because Kulusevski is injured is nonsense too. He played against Chelsea, West Ham and Wolves at home and we’re complete rubbish in all those games. It’s so much bigger than just missing one admittedly very good player.

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Our biggest problem is son. Had 1 good game the rest is just shit..needs to be dropped

Taking off the Spurs tinted glasses. Man u and Newcastle both looked like better teams than us

we started with royal and sessegnon as wing backs. Nothing personal but I'd say both are about the standard of a bottom half of the table team. How on earth are we going to be competing with the very best when that's the players we have in a key position for conte?

We are painfully passive.

As much as Kane and Son are both absolute legends, having them both in the team I think rules out us playing a high press. Kane isn't physically able to do that. One of Sonny's world class skills is avoiding being anywhere near a 50-50 tackle.

I think we are very much in "race for fourth" territory. But in big danger of falling out this season.

fishhhandaricecake said:

On Hugo, I've felt this for a long time but I don't think he is a good captain.

To me his is a bit boring tbh, he wouldn't motivate me and added to that he's either incredible (vs Man.U) or he has a brain fart (today and other games).

I wonder if we made PEH or Kane captain if that might change the dynamic of how we play etc.

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I'd honestly be looking at Henderson.

He has room to improve but he's very very vocal and we need that.

January needs to see us signing a quality CB and AM. Maybe even another CB too

VoteMe4Prez said:

The ones that need to go are Sanchez, Davies, Lucas, Dier and Sessegnon

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Yep and I think/hope Conte and Paratici will know this.

Conte said lets see how we do once the games come thick and fast 2 games a week, then we will know the quality of the squad.

For me all of the below are not good enough for a squad that Conte would want to try to win the league and cups:

• Emerson
• Doherty
• Dier (not starting XI quality, squad player mabye)
• Sanchez
• Tanganga
• Sessengon
• PEH (possibly not starting XI quality for me but def a good squad player)
• Skipp (could keep in squad as young homegrown etc but I can't help but think that he's a bit of another Winks and that if he wasn't homegrown we'd not be giving him as much of a chance as we are)
• Lucas
• Gil (has potential but well off the level we need right now so not saying to sell but he's not what we need in the squad right now)

We seriously need to sign top quality players in the following:
RWB x2!!!
CB x2!
CM x1 creative ballplaying CM
AM x1
ST x1 another option to bring on with or instead of Kane

I just hope that Conte and Paratici and Levy realise this and are on board with this.

We're a stodgy team that plays 5 across the back because we wont press, which forces wing backs to be deep full backs. I'm not sure you can be a success these days without pressing higher up. Also, Royal is hopeless going forward and we need one of the wing backs to have a spark.

Dier was diabolical today. His head was gone, with atrocious passing under no pressure at all including a near OG and letting a simple pass roll under his boot and into trouble. As usual, that's a symptom of the trundle paced side-to-side and backwards play we 'enjoy'. If we dont get zippier, we wont be staying near the top.

Be interesting to see if we can turn bournmouth over in the next one, to continue beating lower teams but being easily beaten by all the better ones.

Yeah, adding to my earlier post I do think Dier could still stick around but must not be a starting CB every week, no way