Player Watch Player Watch: Richarlison

Bluto Blutarsky · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Potentially controversial but I’m not sure Richarlison is £40m’s worth of an upgrade on Bergwijn…

In terms of squad building it’s expensive for a fairly minor change imo

Bergwijn can't cover for Kane.

Bergwijn does not want to be here.

Richarlison is only 5 months older than Bergwijn, and has 53 goals in 153 appearances for Everton. Bergwijn has 7 in 60 for Spurs.

Ben1 · Jun 28, 2022

DiVaio said:
The negative ratings here are funny. Bergwijn in Premier League has better G+A per 90 ratio than Richarlison btw.

I like Richarlison, but there's really nothing controversial to say that he isn't 40m worth of upgrade and we would probably be better with spending some part of it on cheaper striker(especially when Conte isn't rotating that much in attack) and the rest for better right wingback instead of Spence for example...

I agree, we should keep the guy our manager doesn't want or sign another guy the manager doesn't want.

wiggo24 · Jun 28, 2022

Snarfalicious said:
It’s a substantial upgrade on Bergwijn and Moura, in my opinion. More versatile, still young, experienced, and he's had really solid goal returns in some truly bad teams. I would love to see a more physically imposing type come in for the direct backup to Kane, and maybe that is still a possibility, but this is a really smart move.

He's older than Bergwijn and 3 goals in 19 as a striker, even for Everton, isn't a particularly good goal return imo.

Again, I like him, and I do agree he's a massive upgrade on Lucas who is poor, but paying £60m for him (espeically when that's what we were supposed to be paying for the likes of Lautaro Martinez last summer) seems fairly excessive. If Conte has said he's the only one he wants then fuck it I obviously trust him, but otherwise I'd still like us to be looking elsewhere and spending some of this money on a better RWB than Spence or a top LCB.

wiggo24 · Jun 28, 2022

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Bergwijn can't cover for Kane.

Bergwijn does not want to be here.

Richarlison is only 5 months older than Bergwijn, and has 53 goals in 153 appearances for Everton. Bergwijn has 7 in 60 for Spurs.

Again, not saying Bergwijn shouldn't leave. Just saying Richarlison isn't £40m better than him. Also, those stats are pretty unfair on Bergwijn given he got about 10 minutes in all of those games. His goals per minute is better than Richarlisons.

SSC · Jun 28, 2022

Snarfalicious said:
It’s a substantial upgrade on Bergwijn and Moura, in my opinion. More versatile, still young, experienced, and he's had really solid goal returns in some truly bad teams. I would love to see a more physically imposing type come in for the direct backup to Kane, and maybe that is still a possibility, but this is a really smart move.

You have to remember the whole squad mentality significantly pivots now the PL allow 5 subs. We will be relying more on the bench players, currently Moura and SB for all our attacking relief behind the front three. Richarlison (or a player of his profile) offers more across the front three positions, to the extent that we can probably bench Son or Kane in certain PL games.

Remember that due to Q2022, the six CL group stage matches happen in consecutive weeks, with a league cup and midweek PL also slotted in ahead of November. If we dont have proper rotation quality the international players going to the WC, especially those that may go quite deep with their countries are going to fucked after Christmas.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post but the general point stands as to why we need to bring in more first team quality, SB just simply isnt a starter for us that Conte trusts.

DiVaio · Jun 28, 2022

Styopa said:
The reason Conte didn’t rotate much is clearly because he didn’t have any faith in the back-ups. He only ever sent Lucas or Bergwijn on out of desperation really. We were able to get away with it last season because during the run-in we only had one match a week. If we have any ambitions in the cups this season we won’t get away with starting the same front three every match.

When Bergwijn played under Conte he was good though. He wasn't rotating heavily at Inter, he wasn't rotating at Juve, at Chelsea at least it was Willian-Pedro.

Bluto Blutarsky said:
Bergwijn does not want to be here.

Bergwijn does not want to be here, because he doesn't play. And he doesn't play here because Conte isn't rotating.

Nerine · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Again, not saying Bergwijn shouldn't leave. Just saying Richarlison isn't £40m better than him. Also, those stats are pretty unfair on Bergwijn given he got about 10 minutes in all of those games. His goals per minute is better than Richarlisons.

How many millions of pounds better is Richarlison over Bergwijn in your view, if not 40?

Tyler24durden · Jun 28, 2022

39.5 ?

SSC · Jun 28, 2022

DiVaio said:
When Bergwijn played under Conte he was good though. He wasn't rotating heavily at Inter, he wasn't rotating at Juve, at Chelsea at least it was Willian-Pedro.

Bergwijn does not want to be here, because he doesn't play. And he doesn't play here because Conte isn't rotating.

SSC said:
You have to remember the whole squad mentality significantly pivots now the PL allow 5 subs. We will be relying more on the bench players, currently Moura and SB for all our attacking relief behind the front three. Richarlison (or a player of his profile) offers more across the front three positions, to the extent that we can probably bench Son or Kane in certain PL games.

Remember that due to Q2022, the six CL group stage matches happen in consecutive weeks, with a league cup and midweek PL also slotted in ahead of November. If we dont have proper rotation quality the international players going to the WC, especially those that may go quite deep with their countries are going to fucked after Christmas.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post but the general point stands as to why we need to bring in more first team quality, SB just simply isnt a starter for us that Conte trusts.

Sorry @DiValo, i think it was you I was replying to. Agree Conte doesnt rotate much, but this season he has no choice.

He inherited SB and clearly doesnt fancy him (got a good look at him during ECL matches!) and if he says he wants Richarlison, one would hope its because he sees a role for him... so selling one and buying the other is probably a good thing!

Bluto Blutarsky · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Again, not saying Bergwijn shouldn't leave. Just saying Richarlison isn't £40m better than him. Also, those stats are pretty unfair on Bergwijn given he got about 10 minutes in all of those games. His goals per minute is better than Richarlisons.

If Bergwijn were better, he would have gotten more minutes...

Look, I like Bergwijn, and its too bad he wasn't able to convince Conte. But here we are. He is leaving, and we can replace him with similar, and that player will want out by next summer when Conte does not play him either, or we can spend more, and bring in a better player(s)

And, in this league, Richarlison is the better player - even more so for this team. Richarlison brings a different skill set to the team, than any of our current forwards - and that makes him valuable to us.

As it stands, Richarlison could play in a 9 for Kane. He could play on the left wing for Son. If we are chasing a goal, you could bring him in for a CM, and play him along side Kane. If we are up 2 goals, and Kane is knackered, Richarlison can go in and play the last 30 minutes - and be able to defend from the front, same with Son.

wiggo24 · Jun 28, 2022

Nerine said:
How many millions of pounds better is Richarlison over Bergwijn in your view, if not 40?

No idea, I'd probably think it was a good deal if we gave them Bergwijn and £20m or something on top. I don't not rate him, I just think there are better ways to spend the money.

Think it's interesting looking at the first few pages of this thread where people were fairly ambivalent about him, to declaring him the perfect signing now it looks like it might happen.

Roberts84 · Jun 28, 2022

Yiddo100 said:
This guy is bbc news reporter, not sport but hopefully he isn’t a WUM

So that £60m minus the cost of ham, egg and chips!

Fredo · Jun 28, 2022

Richarlison shits all over Jesus as a forward overall

wiggo24 · Jun 28, 2022

Bluto Blutarsky said:
If Bergwijn were better, he would have gotten more minutes...

Look, I like Bergwijn, and its too bad he wasn't able to convince Conte. But here we are. He is leaving, and we can replace him with similar, and that player will want out by next summer when Conte does not play him either, or we can spend more, and bring in a better player(s)

And, in this league, Richarlison is the better player - even more so for this team. Richarlison brings a different skill set to the team, than any of our current forwards - and that makes him valuable to us.

As it stands, Richarlison could play in a 9 for Kane. He could play on the left wing for Son. If we are chasing a goal, you could bring him in for a CM, and play him along side Kane. If we are up 2 goals, and Kane is knackered, Richarlison can go in and play the last 30 minutes - and be able to defend from the front, same with Son.

Agree with all of the above (although not as convinced as others that he's a particularly good CF). I think Bergwijn clearly doesn't fit for Conte and I think Richarlison is the better player. Haven't suggested otherwise. I just think there are other players/combinations of players who are MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY better than Bergwijn for £60m.

GetKaned · Jun 28, 2022

I think the major reason we could not progress for the best part of last 10 years is because the club always weighed players to see if they are "pound for pound" worth it. Now the club seems to not bother about worth and has put Conte's demand ahead of everything else, some of our fans are still finding ways to prove how it is a shit strategy. Yeah, I would love to get the next world beater talent for 15mn but not at the expense of Conte's plans

spurs mental · Jun 28, 2022

DiVaio said:
When Bergwijn played under Conte he was good though

DiVaio said:
because he doesn't play.

What?

Sorry not being funny here but Stevie had a good few minutes v Leicester but he played more than 23 minutes once under Conte in the PL. He scored one goal in the last 7 appearances. I get he didn't have minutes but he wasn't good. If he was good he'd have gotten more minutes.

mil1lion · Jun 28, 2022

Why are people comparing the cost of Bergwijn who is a sub and wants to leave with Richarlison who is one of if not the best player for another PL team who need him?

Roberts84 · Jun 28, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Maybe the meal was nothing to do with Richarlison and Levy is just having an affair with Kenwright?

They were discussing ‘Levy’ the musical

GetKaned · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Agree with all of the above (although not as convinced as others that he's a particularly good CF). I think Bergwijn clearly doesn't fit for Conte and I think Richarlison is the better player. Haven't suggested otherwise. I just think there are other players/combinations of players who are MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY better than Bergwijn for £60m.

You could even get players much significantly better than Richarlison, Bergwijn or Raphinha for 30mn even. But that will take almost the entirety of the window to bid and negotiate.

For the love of Spurs · Jun 28, 2022

wiggo24 said:
Again, not saying Bergwijn shouldn't leave. Just saying Richarlison isn't £40m better than him. Also, those stats are pretty unfair on Bergwijn given he got about 10 minutes in all of those games. His goals per minute is better than Richarlisons.

You can just then say Everton are crap which makes it unfair on Richarlison as he is working with lesser players around him. You can spin stats a million ways but it’s clear Conte and the club want him and they want him for a reason.

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