The Manager Search 2: Search Harder

Tucker · Oct 31, 2021

Nebby said:
ETH and Potter - and any other bright young thing - won’t come to Spurs. Too much of a risk for them In terms of career progression.

You’d take one look at what’s happened to NES and think twice about coming here. I don’t think he’s the right guy for the job, but at the same time he hasn’t had the tools to do his job. No striker, and the rug pulled from under him with the Traore transfer.

Potter knows he’s on to a good thing at Brighton, very little expectation, and lots of backing. He can’t afford to come to Spurs and fail, someone like Conte can afford to, but I doubt he’d come without big guarantees regarding spending etc.

Levy knows he can’t afford to get another appointment wrong, so it will be interesting to see what happens next.

funkycoldmedina · Oct 31, 2021

Nebby said:
ETH and Potter - and any other bright young thing - won’t come to Spurs. Too much of a risk for them In terms of career progression.

I don't disagree but it was only 2 managers ago a bright young thing gave up a good gig to join us and that went well for both parties.

spids · Oct 31, 2021

worcestersauce said:
Rodgers ain't British.

You do know he was born in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK and thus he is considered to be British.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and the British Nationality Act 1981 generally considers that a person born in the UK will be a British citizen by birth if one of their parents was either a British citizen or settled in the UK at the time of birth

Tucker · Oct 31, 2021

funkycoldmedina said:
I don't disagree but it was only 2 managers ago a bright young thing gave up a good gig to join us and that went well for both parties.

As I recall, Poch had fallen out with the hierarchy at Southampton hadn’t he?

Karol · Oct 31, 2021

Conte.... don't do it to yourselves

With levy calling the shots were more likely to end up with Steve Bruce

hellava_tough · Oct 31, 2021

spids said:
You do know he was born in Northern Ireland which is part of the UK and thus he is considered to be British.

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and the British Nationality Act 1981 generally considers that a person born in the UK will be a British citizen by birth if one of their parents was either a British citizen or settled in the UK at the time of birth

Ethnically he wouldn't consider himself British...I would imagine

funkycoldmedina · Oct 31, 2021

Tucker said:
As I recall, Poch had fallen out with the hierarchy at Southampton hadn’t he?

Because they were selling their best players?
Point is an ambitious manager would see a lot of good players that are massively underachieving and where they could add value. They would also be in a place to get assurances. We do spend money and we do pay decent wages we're just too scattergun.
Even though our fanbase is on a huge downer there are real upsides for an ambitious manager.

Arden · Oct 31, 2021

Haven’t we got at least another couple of months stumbling along first before we finally act

Oh Teddy Teddy · Oct 31, 2021

Tucker said:
As I recall, Poch had fallen out with the hierarchy at Southampton hadn’t he?

Think Cortese, who’d appointed him manager, had fallen out with the owner at Southampton and had left a few months previously, which helped spur Poch’s decision.

Tucker · Oct 31, 2021

Oh Teddy Teddy said:
Think Cortese, who’d appointed him manager, had fallen out with the owner at Southampton and had left a few months previously, which helped spur Poch’s decision.

That’s it! I knew there was something.

Ghost Hardware · Oct 31, 2021

'O Zio said:
I want the best person we can get. Couldn't give a fuck what country they're from. This is just one of those attitudes I'll never understand.

Completely agree, and really if you made a list of the top 5 managers in the world none would be British unfortunately. I really don’t understand what a person’s nationality has to do with one’s skill. Even the argument about understanding the league doesn’t hold weight for me when you look at the most successful clubs currently and the style of football they play.

Nebby · Oct 31, 2021

Tucker said:
You’d take one look at what’s happened to NES and think twice about coming here. I don’t think he’s the right guy for the job, but at the same time he hasn’t had the tools to do his job. No striker, and the rug pulled from under him with the Traore transfer.

Potter knows he’s on to a good thing at Brighton, very little expectation, and lots of backing. He can’t afford to come to Spurs and fail, someone like Conte can afford to, but I doubt he’d come without big guarantees regarding spending etc.

Levy knows he can’t afford to get another appointment wrong, so it will be interesting to see what happens next.

Nuno’s problems are entirely self inflicted. Lacklustre tactical approach, poor man management, inability to see what’s staring him in the face re Kane, Lo Celso and Ndombele. And we should be thanking our lucky stars that the club said no re Traore. He’s Nuno personified: a blunt tool going forward.

Russ1201 · Oct 31, 2021

tony0379 said:
The bullshit has started

Yea yea have i just woke up and it's April fools day? We wish fs!

Tucker · Oct 31, 2021

funkycoldmedina said:
Because they were selling their best players?
Point is an ambitious manager would see a lot of good players that are massively underachieving and where they could add value. They would also be in a place to get assurances. We do spend money and we do pay decent wages we're just too scattergun.
Even though our fanbase is on a huge downer there are real upsides for an ambitious manager.

There is definitely an opportunity to make a name for yourself for the right coach. At the same time it’s a massive risk. For example, where does Nuno go from here if he’s sacked? He’ll likely have to drop down and manage someone in a worse position than his previous job.

Tucker · Oct 31, 2021

Nebby said:
Nuno’s problems are entirely self inflicted. Lacklustre tactical approach, poor man management, inability to see what’s staring him in the face re Kane, Lo Celso and Ndombele. And we should be thanking our lucky stars that the club said no re Traore. He’s Nuno personified: a blunt tool going forward.

If he drops Kane, we are playing without a striker.
If he doesn’t play Lo Celso or NDombele where does the creativity come from?

His Tactics aren’t helping the issues, but he’s not the only problem we have right now, and he’s not solely responsible.

Breezer · Oct 31, 2021

Listen we could bring in Conte, Klopp and Pep as a trio. This squad stinks and won’t get near top 4! We need heavy investment and have the balls to sell players without Demanding stupid amounts putting off the buying clubs.

Japhet · Oct 31, 2021

hellava_tough said:
Agree that Hitchen seems to know what he's doing and is certainly highly respected among the ITKs

Not sure Paratici has been a disaster; the players he's brought in have been okay, given the financial constraints

As for the manager search, I'm not sure anyone really knows who suggested which manager, etc

We do know, however, that Nuno was low on the list of choices, so obviously the options were pretty scant for whatever reason

Seems really odd to me though that we interviewed Ten Hag and then binned him in favour of Nuno. How the fuck could Nuno interview better than anyone, even a cabbage? Ten Hag also supposedly didn't want to bring a backroom team with him. So fucking what? The fact we got Ten Hag through the door indicates that he would have come here which makes the current situation even more depressing. ETH was a pretty obvious candidate with all the DNA bullshit being spouted but Nuno is the complete opposite as was repeatedly pointd out at the time. Well done Levy FFS!

Timberwolf · Oct 31, 2021

Tucker said:
You’d take one look at what’s happened to NES and think twice about coming here. I don’t think he’s the right guy for the job, but at the same time he hasn’t had the tools to do his job. No striker, and the rug pulled from under him with the Traore transfer.

Potter knows he’s on to a good thing at Brighton, very little expectation, and lots of backing. He can’t afford to come to Spurs and fail, someone like Conte can afford to, but I doubt he’d come without big guarantees regarding spending etc.

Levy knows he can’t afford to get another appointment wrong, so it will be interesting to see what happens next.

I think the whole Nuno debacle shows the dangers of picking a 'compromise' manager.

I think that it can work fine when a team is in freefall and someone like 'Arry or Moyes or Allardyce are brought in to steady the ship. Expectations are low - usually simply to stay up - and if things work out better than expected there's the option to keep them on.

Bringing in a compromise manager like Nuno at the start of the season is a dangerous game to play. He knows he's not first choice, the players know he's not first choice, he's on a short contract and he's been given a remit to play a style of football that's completely outside of his wheelhouse. That combination of factors is toxic and I'd bet that while a lot of the players respect Nuno, deep down they must be acutely aware that he's not the man to take them places and won't be in the job very long.

Makes it all the more frustrating that we didn't go in hard for one of the more obvious, philosophy based managers and instead cheaped out on Nuno. I suspect Potter would've always rejected us, but I really think we could've got ETH if we'd prioritised him.

Whoever we go for next it has to be someone we really want rather than someone we've tried to force into a mould that doesn't suit either them or the club.

crazyguitarman · Oct 31, 2021

Tucker said:
There is definitely an opportunity to make a name for yourself for the right coach. At the same time it’s a massive risk. For example, where does Nuno go from here if he’s sacked? He’ll likely have to drop down and manage someone in a worse position than his previous job.

You could argue that's just symptomatic of Spurs being (close to) a top club though? The higher up you go, the fewer rungs above them in the ladder. Unless he suddenly became a world class manager overnight, he was only ever going to drop down and manage someone in a worse position after his time here?

Timberwolf · Oct 31, 2021

Japhet said:
Seems really odd to me though that we interviewed Ten Hag and then binned him in favour of Nuno. How the fuck could Nuno interview better than anyone, even a cabbage? Ten Hag also supposedly didn't want to bring a backroom team with him. So fucking what? The fact we got Ten Hag through the door indicates that he would have come here which makes the current situation even more depressing. ETH was a pretty obvious candidate with all the DNA bullshit being spouted but Nuno is the complete opposite as was repeatedly pointd out at the time. Well done Levy FFS!

Yeah if the reasons for not bringing in ETH are true then the board completely dropped the ball.

The guy is a bit goofy and might not be the charismatic type who comes out with amazing quotes in press conferences, but what he does on the pitch speaks for itself. Look at Bielsa - the man doesn't even look at the camera and still uses a translator but what he did at Leeds prior to this season is incredible regardless of his back room staff or media persona.

To reject someone like ETH on those grounds and end up with Nuno truly emphasises the mess that we were in last summer. We probably had ETH on a plate early on, pissed him around and then when we realised we couldn't get Poch or Conte (who, let's face it, were always massive long shots) it was too late to go back. Such a shitfest.

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