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Dov67 said:

ENIC Levy actively do NOT WANT TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO WIN the premier league.

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I don't think this is necessary true. It's just 'what is necessary to win' in the prem is to spend, spend, spend like Man City/Chelsea.

The other way is to have perfect recruitment, amazing manager, and a bit of luck. Like Liverpool.

I think we are trying to do it the Liverpool way but it's much more difficult than just spend, spend, spend. And until we really start seeing revenues from the stadium, Paratici have time to excute his 'perfect recruitment' plan, it's going to be difficult to see how close we can get.

Not sure how far they'll get.


Questions raised:

1. There is a widespread feeling of a lack of direction at the Club:

What is your vision for THFC?

What are your objectives and how are you measuring progress against those objectives?

Where do you want the Club to be in five years’ time, on and off the pitch?

2. Does the Board think we’ve gone forward or backwards in a footballing context over the last two years?

3. Can you expand on Daniel Levy’s comment on restoring the DNA of the Club, and provide examples of how that is being achieved?

4. You have said your focus has always been on achieving success on the pitch. Do you think that one trophy in 20 years is an acceptable outcome?

5. Are you aware that there is a widely-held perception that football is not the priority at THFC? What would you say to Spurs supporters who feel that way?

6. It would reassure supporters if you could provide a clear explanation of where profits earned from non-football events at the stadium go?

7. Can you give an update on stadium naming rights?

8. Could you give a clear explanation of the relationship between different parts of the business, and how resources are used across them?

9. How does the Club ensure that its property development arm does not act as a drain on resources and management focus? What is the Club’s involvement in property developments undertaken by related parties? How does the Club ensure that asset disposals to related parties are undertaken at fair market value?

10. Supporters made their opposition to the proposed European Super League clear. Can you give a guarantee the Club won’t support any attempt to revive that or any similar project?

11. Have the fines and costs incurred by the Club’s involvement in the ESL been paid from the personal finances of owners or directors, or from Club funds?

12. Can you elaborate on what has happened to your plans for the Club Advisory Panel and the Fan Director on the Board, announced in April? We submitted plans for a Supervisory Board, INEDs and a Fan Director in a two-tier Board structure that would embed football and fans at the heart of the Club. Will you discuss those plans and seek an agreed outcome which is supported by fans?

13. We also asked the Board to examine creating a share ownership structure that could broaden ownership of the Club and could potentially provide an injection of cash. Can you update on how this is progressing?

Tbh I could answer the majority of these with exactly the answers levy would give. It’s highly unlikely we’d learn anything of significance.

The Little Dictator won't be answering any questions. He thinks we are all mugs. He couldn't care less about 'legacy' supporters.

Until people realise this and stop going and spending money he ain't going anywhere.

Delboy75 said:

Tbh I could answer the majority of these with exactly the answers levy would give. It’s highly unlikely we’d learn anything of significance.

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At least they're trying.

Cream said:

The Little Dictator won't be answering any questions. He thinks we are all mugs. He couldn't care less about legacy supporters.

Until people realise this and stop going and spending money he ain't going anywhere.

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Clubs basically know that there are thousands of non-legacy supporters that want to go to games. They have a huge out on that front.
This is skewed as a non-legacy supporter. I’m not a legacy fan, but am a 30+ year Spurs supporter. I have very rarely lived in London (6 weeks for work) so games are a nightmare for me. I’ve taken plenty of tickets to games from season ticket holding mates for the northern away games (remember being one of about 40 at ‘Boro years ago).
I will be moving to London next year (for my sins), but honestly would jump at the chance of a season ticket because o love the club and I've never had the chance before. Yes, we’re shit at the moment and the fans hate a lot of it, but there are still long term (and not casual daytripper fans) who’d love to be a part of Spurs match day on a more regular basis.
I may be in the minority, but I wanted to put that slant on it from a lifelong, but not legacy fan.

Question 10. The esl will be revived I think the pl have balled it up for themselves by allowing the Newcastle takeover.

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Fredo said:

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Can't really argue with that club has themselves to blame

Fredo said:

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"We had the opportunity to spend and build an unbeatable team."

Opportunity to spend? Yes
Opportunity to build an unbeatable team? What utter bollocks.

dontcallme said:

"We had the opportunity to spend and build an unbeatable team."

Opportunity to spend? Yes
Opportunity to build an unbeatable team? What utter bollocks.

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Really?

Imagine if we had Grealish and Ferenandez in our squad. Thats just 2 of the recent ones The Little Dictator let slip. It's people like you and your acceptance of failure that allow him to continue in perpetuity at the club.

He is appalling at his job. Appalling. Arguably the worst in the PL. Maybe the dildo bros run him close.

Cream said:

Really?

Imagine if we had Grealish and Ferenandez in our squad. Thats just 2 of the recent ones The Little Dictator let slip. It's people like you and your acceptance of failure that allow him to continue in perpetuity at the club.

He is appalling at his job. Appalling. Arguably the worst in the PL. Maybe the dildo bros run him close.

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That team would be unbeatable?

Edit: also as Poch chose Lo Celso over Fernandes and he didn't want Grealish I fail to see any validity in your post.

Cream said:

Really?

Imagine if we had Grealish and Ferenandez in our squad. Thats just 2 of the recent ones The Little Dictator let slip. It's people like you and your acceptance of failure that allow him to continue in perpetuity at the club.

He is appalling at his job. Appalling. Arguably the worst in the PL. Maybe the dildo bros run him close.

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Arguably would be right, there are Arsenal fans and Newcastle fans (I know as I get it mentioned constantly from my family of Newcastle fans) who would absolutely disagree (well, obvious new change at Newcastle accepted).

I dont see how anyone would buy the club. There isnt much of a higher ceiling for the investment required to get there. Would the clubs value increase so high to cover off any investment and purchase price if we wont a few CLs and PLs? I just dont see it

With Newcastle there is room for growth and getting it cheap would mean even allowing for a few hundred million pounds worth of investment they could still make a tonne of money out of any future deal.

Enic on the other hand, they got us cheap given the situation and even if they invest a few quid, they would still make us more attractive and would still make money.

dontcallme said:

That team would be unbeatable?

Edit: also as Poch chose Lo Celso over Fernandes and he didn't want Grealish I fail to see any validity in your post.

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We hear that Poch chose Lo Celso and if thats the case then thats another bad on Levy. Because Poch went shortly after that signing.

Clueless management at the top level. 2 decades of seeing it in real time and still people defend him.

Stockholm Syndrome.

Cream said:

We hear that Poch chose Lo Celso and if thats the case then thats another bad on Levy. Because Poch went shortly after that signing.

Clueless management at the top level. 2 decades of seeing it in real time and still people defend him.

Stockholm Syndrome.

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So Levy buying the player that the manager wanted is his fault? Face it, whatever Levy does you'll see it as a negative.

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So Levy buying the player that the manager wanted is his fault? Face it, whatever Levy does you'll see it as a negative.

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Him losing that manager was his fault yes. Leaving us with a distinctly average player that our current caretaker manager doesn't select. Unforced error after unforced error. All the while pocketing the largest wages and bonuses than any other chairman in the league.

I do struggle to see any positives about him that's true.

Cream said:

Him losing that manager was his fault yes. Leaving us with a distinctly average player that our current caretaker manager doesn't select. Unforced error after unforced error. All the while pocketing the largest wages and bonuses than any other chairman in the league.

I do struggle to see any positives about him that's true.

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And that's the problem. Most adults understand that people will be good in some areas and weak in others. Sometimes we make good decisions and sometimes we make bad decisions. Some people do a good job overall, and some bad.

But as you only see the bad, it's impossible to take anything you take remotely seriously. If every action by someone is twisted into a negative then you will have no credibility.

JUSTINSIGNAL said:

I don't think this is necessary true. It's just 'what is necessary to win' in the prem is to spend, spend, spend like Man City/Chelsea.

The other way is to have perfect recruitment, amazing manager, and a bit of luck. Like Liverpool.

I think we are trying to do it the Liverpool way but it's much more difficult than just spend, spend, spend. And until we really start seeing revenues from the stadium, Paratici have time to excute his 'perfect recruitment' plan, it's going to be difficult to see how close we can get.

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The difference was that Liverpool actually backed their manager at a critical time, and in doing so jumped way ahead of us during the crucial 2018 period.

Not sure of statistic but I think we had finished above them in 7 out of the previous 9 seasons prior to that (or something like that??). Can anyone honestly say when we will next finish above them?

Klopp and/or their recruitment "committee" identified two transformative players and they waited and then paid the price to get those two players - not the cheaper, 2nd and 3rd choice options. Then they won the champions league and premier league.

the big difference is Liverpool knew what was necessary to push them over the line and they went out and did it. When we were in a similar position not only did we not do it, we didn't sign anyone for 518 days!

That's the way Levy runs this club and I don't see that changing. The fact that Newcastle are now the richest club in the premier, means that Levy is even less likely to do what is necessary to get us over the line because its an even bigger gamble now.

dontcallme said:

And that's the problem. Most adults understand that people will be good in some areas and weak in others. Sometimes we make good decisions and sometimes we make bad decisions. Some people do a good job overall, and some bad.

But as you only see the bad, it's impossible to take anything you take remotely seriously. If every action by someone is twisted into a negative then you will have no credibility.

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Thanks but I've already had my psych evaluation this month.

If you can point me towards some positives that I struggle to find then I'm all eyes.

Dov67 said:

The difference was that Liverpool actually backed their manager at a critical time, and in doing so jumped way ahead of us during the crucial 2018 period.

Not sure of statistic but I think we had finished above them in 7 out of the previous 9 seasons prior to that (or something like that??). Can anyone honestly say when we will next finish above them?

Klopp and/or their recruitment "committee" identified two transformative players and they waited and then paid the price to get those two players - not the cheaper, 2nd and 3rd choice options. Then they won the champions league and premier league.

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Fair points.

But it's also worth looking at Liverpool's buying record before Klopp and under Klopp.

When we finished above Liverpool 7out of 9 seasons, or whatever it was, most of their transfers were terrible. Overpaying on the likes of Carroll, Aquilani etc and the high salaries of Jo Cole and Charlie Adam resulted in them having the classic problem of a poor quality team on high salaries making them harder to sell.

Under Klopp they bought the likes of Salah and Mane and once they were going places, their board backed them and they spent big on VVD and Alison. Fair play to the board for spending, but also to Klopp for seeming to get most of his transfer targets right.

As good as Poch was, he was a disaster in the transfer market.