Alexander Sørloth

arunspurs · Sep 14, 2020

I assumed he was an utter flop for Palace. But just looked at the minutes he played.
Its incredible - he has not started one game for Palace in PL in 18/19. All he has got was 173 minutes over a 12 game period in 18/19 and 4 games in 17/18 of 360min. In the cup games, he scored 1 goal & a assist in 3 EFL cup starts.

How could we just label him as a flop on back of this. He was 22 when he was in Palace for 18/19 season.
His time at Palace should not be a criteria to evaluate him

JonnySpurs · Sep 14, 2020

There's no doubt this is a somewhat underwhelming link. With that said, I remember us playing Palace at Selhurst when Sorloth was there and he played as a left wing forward that day and I remember him standing out. He looked fast, strong and gave Aurier a bit of a tough time. It may have been the game when Aurier foul throwed iirc. He didn't score goals but I don't think he got that may mins and when he did he was played on the wing - i could be wrong here.

Since he went to Turkey, the most well known Palace fan on twitter, HLTCO has been banging on about Palace bringing him back and posting his goals, which have been pretty impressive. He's been a revelation in Turkey.

Does that mean we should be after him though? Probably not.

The ownership situation is also weird. HLTCO believes he's supposed to still be on loan from them so isn't quite sure who owns him between his club and Trabzonspor.

Norwayspurs · Sep 14, 2020

arunspurs said:
I assumed he was an utter flop for Palace. But just looked at the minutes he played.
Its incredible - he has not started one game for Palace in PL. All he has got was 173 minutes over a 12 game period. In the cup games, he scored 1 goal & a assist in 3 EFL cup starts.

How could we just label him as a flop on back of this. He was 22 when he was in Palace for 18/19 season.
His time at Palace should not be a criteria to evaluate him

I agree. Not saying he is the best choice for us, but he didn't really get a fair chance at CP.

SpartanSpur · Sep 14, 2020

JonnySpurs said:
There's no doubt this is a somewhat underwhelming link. With that said, I remember us playing Palace at Selhurst when Sorloth was there and he played as a left wing forward that day and I remember him standing out. He looked fast, strong and gave Aurier a bit of a tough time. It may have been the game when Aurier foul throwed iirc. He didn't score goals but I don't think he got that may mins and when he did he was played on the wing - i could be wrong here.

Since he went to Turkey, the most well known Palace fan on twitter, HLTCO has been banging on about Palace bringing him back and posting his goals, which have been pretty impressive. He's been a revelation in Turkey.

Does that mean we should be after him though? Probably not.

The ownership situation is also weird. HLTCO believes he's supposed to still be on loan from them so isn't quite sure who owns him between his club and Trabzonspor.

His latest update:

I think, after reading roughly 5,537 conflicting stories... Palace agreed to loan Sørloth to Trabzonspor for 2 years in Aug 19, the deal involved a buy option of €5.5m (if he plays 50% of their games THIS season) they haven’t activated it yet but are trying to sell him anyway.

Sounds like the kind of opportunistic stuff we go for rather than targeting exactly what we need...

DannyNZ · Sep 14, 2020

When Levy served up Sahas to Harry it was looking grim, with this guy in the frame then he is outdoing himself. At the moment we could have superman upfront and he wouldn’t score, we are in dire need of some creative spark and it ain’t coming from Winks, Dele or Moura.

sausage · Sep 14, 2020

leray said:
I remember him from Palace and of course he wasn't very good, but if I recall correctly, he was playing on the wing with Benteke up front. This was destined to be a flop.

This is the problem with strikers - they can only score the chances they get. If you stick one in a poor team in a weak league, with no service, out wide, he'll look terrible - especially on stats.

He's a 'scout report' type blog from earlier in the year (March) https://footballwhispers.com/blog/alexander-sorloth-scout-report/

This is reasonably key:

He's fairly accurate with his shooting, hitting the target with 50 per cent of his efforts. When you break it down, the stats suggest he is an elite chance-getter. Shots from Sørloth have an average expected goals value of 0.21 this season.

As far as I'm aware, he wasn't missing good chances or open goals for Palace - he just wasn't getting any. This is a big factor in the 'was he crap' stakes for me.

quackers · Sep 14, 2020

for every example of flops in the EPL in first seasons there are many examples of those who have had a second chance in the right team succeeding.

An extra striker who JM has chosen is no bad thing.

fishhhandaricecake · Sep 14, 2020

matty74 said:
This would just about finish me off ?how many goals did he score for palace ?? Depressed at the thought of this on deadline day

Why did Palace sell him, surely he's rubbish?
Never really watching him to be fair.

If its a choice of him and Bale or Milik and another average winger then i'm a bit torn.

BringBack_leGin · Sep 14, 2020

I watched this video after reading everyone’s comments expecting to see the modern embodiment of Rasiak.

You lot are nuts. Based on the fact that all we have to goon with any striker outside the top leagues is YouTube, who scored/ wiki/ transfermarkt, and maybe an accidentally caught CL or EL match, how can Daka (who looked great in his video) and Edouard be getting so much fawning but this guy gets panned?

Aside from his exceptional goal scoring record, he’s rapid for a very tall player, he’s a very composed finisher and he has good control, as well as his obvious thread in the air. You can see from this video exactly what Leipzig see in terms of replacing Erling. Yes, I’m aware it’s just a video, but do we really have any more info on him than on Dake, Edouard, Vinícius?

Yes, he flopped in a relegation fighting side when he signed in January. A closer look shows that, after signing, he played (all starts) an entire 4 matches, all losses, spread across 28 days, his first in this league, from mid February to mid March. Palace were 3 points above the relegation zone when he started his first match. He didn’t kick another ball that season after the fourth match.

173. That is how many minutes Sørloth had across the first half of the following season, across 12 matches, none starts, averaging 14 minutes a match. Only twice did he get more than 20 minutes, only once did he get half an hour or more. Then he went on loan to Belgium where he had a poor half season, confidence shot I imagine after a horrendous 2018.

So, if on the basis of that 2018 at the age of 22 you all want to condemn this potential signing, I would wager that you were all mighty shocked by Son’s turnaround for us and all want Ndombele sold too, as anything else would make you hypocrites and I know none of you are hypocrites.

If you’re judging him ok his time in Turkey, bravo. You’re not only managing to find the time to watch not even the top side in an obscure league without incentive, which suggests a great appetite for watching football, but you’re managing to see beyond the stats and realise some not obvious frailties in his game that aren’t apparent in either his goal record or in videos like the above.

Two paragraphs of continuous sarcasm is enough. All I’ll say is, I have no idea of this guy is good enough or not, but I don’t think any of you do either. But based on his recent record, his age, and the combined skill set that video shows him to have, I at least understand why we’re looking at him. What I don’t understand is why some of you are slitting you’re wrists over this link if the information you have is the same as the information I have.

matthew.absurdum · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I watched this video after reading everyone’s comments expecting to see the modern embodiment of Rasiak.

You lot are nuts. Based on the fact that all we have to goon with any striker outside the top leagues is YouTube, who scored/ wiki/ transfermarkt, and maybe an accidentally caught CL or EL match, how can Daka (who looked great in his video) and Edouard be getting so much fawning but this guy gets panned?

Aside from his exceptional goal scoring record, he’s rapid for a very tall player, he’s a very composed finisher and he has good control, as well as his obvious thread in the air. You can see from this video exactly what Leipzig see in terms of replacing Erling. Yes, I’m aware it’s just a video, but do we really have any more info on him than on Dake, Edouard, Vinícius?

Yes, he flopped in a relegation fighting side when he signed in January. A closer look shows that, after signing, he played (all starts) an entire 4 matches, all losses, spread across 28 days, his first in this league, from mid February to mid March. Palace were 3 points above the relegation zone when he started his first match. He didn’t kick another ball that season after the fourth match.

173. That is how many minutes Sørloth had across the first half of the following season, across 12 matches, none starts, averaging 14 minutes a match. Only twice did he get more than 20 minutes, only once did he get half an hour or more. Then he went on loan to Belgium where he had a poor half season, confidence shot I imagine after a horrendous 2018.

So, if on the basis of that 2018 at the age of 22 you all want to condemn this potential signing, I would wager that you were all mighty shocked by Son’s turnaround for us and all want Ndombele sold too, as anything else would make you hypocrites and I know none of you are hypocrites.

If you’re judging him ok his time in Turkey, bravo. You’re not only managing to find the time to watch not even the top side in an obscure league without incentive, which suggests a great appetite for watching football, but you’re managing to see beyond the stats and realise some not obvious frailties in his game that aren’t apparent in either his goal record or in videos like the above.

Two paragraphs of continuous sarcasm is enough. All I’ll say is, I have no idea of this guy is good enough or not, but I don’t think any of you do either. But based on his recent record, his age, and the combined skill set that video shows him to have, I at least understand why we’re looking at him. What I don’t understand is why some of you are slitting you’re wrists over this link if the information you have is the same as the information I have.

This is one of the best post I have seen in SC recently. Excellent

Tucker · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I watched this video after reading everyone’s comments expecting to see the modern embodiment of Rasiak.

You lot are nuts. Based on the fact that all we have to goon with any striker outside the top leagues is YouTube, who scored/ wiki/ transfermarkt, and maybe an accidentally caught CL or EL match, how can Daka (who looked great in his video) and Edouard be getting so much fawning but this guy gets panned?

Aside from his exceptional goal scoring record, he’s rapid for a very tall player, he’s a very composed finisher and he has good control, as well as his obvious thread in the air. You can see from this video exactly what Leipzig see in terms of replacing Erling. Yes, I’m aware it’s just a video, but do we really have any more info on him than on Dake, Edouard, Vinícius?

Yes, he flopped in a relegation fighting side when he signed in January. A closer look shows that, after signing, he played (all starts) an entire 4 matches, all losses, spread across 28 days, his first in this league, from mid February to mid March. Palace were 3 points above the relegation zone when he started his first match. He didn’t kick another ball that season after the fourth match.

173. That is how many minutes Sørloth had across the first half of the following season, across 12 matches, none starts, averaging 14 minutes a match. Only twice did he get more than 20 minutes, only once did he get half an hour or more. Then he went on loan to Belgium where he had a poor half season, confidence shot I imagine after a horrendous 2018.

So, if on the basis of that 2018 at the age of 22 you all want to condemn this potential signing, I would wager that you were all mighty shocked by Son’s turnaround for us and all want Ndombele sold too, as anything else would make you hypocrites and I know none of you are hypocrites.

If you’re judging him ok his time in Turkey, bravo. You’re not only managing to find the time to watch not even the top side in an obscure league without incentive, which suggests a great appetite for watching football, but you’re managing to see beyond the stats and realise some not obvious frailties in his game that aren’t apparent in either his goal record or in videos like the above.

Two paragraphs of continuous sarcasm is enough. All I’ll say is, I have no idea of this guy is good enough or not, but I don’t think any of you do either. But based on his recent record, his age, and the combined skill set that video shows him to have, I at least understand why we’re looking at him. What I don’t understand is why some of you are slitting you’re wrists over this link if the information you have is the same as the information I have.

This is all very sensible. But I can see why people are very much underwhelmed. Seems like a very moneyball signing. Could work out, but it’s a bit disappointing after the others we’ve been linked with.

BringBack_leGin · Sep 14, 2020

matthew.absurdum said:
This is one of the best post I have seen in SC recently. Excellent

Thank you, very kind. I’m sure that’s not strictly true but I’m pleased someone appreciated my ‘evidence first’ attitude to our links, because frankly I think we’re getting good links to forwards generally (Deeney aside imo) and yet I’m seeing them all being decried but am puzzled as to on what basis in pretty much each instance.

CrouchPotato · Sep 14, 2020

Honestly I’d take him, the guy wasn’t given a chance at all at palace. Absolutely no minutes at all.

I follow HLTCO on twitter who is a huge palace fan he thinks he was treated terribly. He also just kept posting his goals this year and Sorloth scored some unbelievable goals. Not my first choice but I’d take him.

BringBack_leGin · Sep 14, 2020

Tucker said:
This is all very sensible. But I can see why people are very much underwhelmed. Seems like a very moneyball signing. Could work out, but it’s a bit disappointing after the others we’ve been linked with.

Which link is better and why is the question is ask?

Our options seem to fall into top camps based on the links: premier league proven but already hit a middling ceiling; or young off the back of a break out season without being totally inexperienced.

I really don’t see much difference in the links to Edouard, Daka, Vinícius, Sørloth. The only outliers are Milik and Diallo, who have ok records in decent leagues but nothing spectacular.

SpartanSpur · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I watched this video after reading everyone’s comments expecting to see the modern embodiment of Rasiak.

You lot are nuts. Based on the fact that all we have to goon with any striker outside the top leagues is YouTube, who scored/ wiki/ transfermarkt, and maybe an accidentally caught CL or EL match, how can Daka (who looked great in his video) and Edouard be getting so much fawning but this guy gets panned?

Aside from his exceptional goal scoring record, he’s rapid for a very tall player, he’s a very composed finisher and he has good control, as well as his obvious thread in the air. You can see from this video exactly what Leipzig see in terms of replacing Erling. Yes, I’m aware it’s just a video, but do we really have any more info on him than on Dake, Edouard, Vinícius?

Yes, he flopped in a relegation fighting side when he signed in January. A closer look shows that, after signing, he played (all starts) an entire 4 matches, all losses, spread across 28 days, his first in this league, from mid February to mid March. Palace were 3 points above the relegation zone when he started his first match. He didn’t kick another ball that season after the fourth match.

173. That is how many minutes Sørloth had across the first half of the following season, across 12 matches, none starts, averaging 14 minutes a match. Only twice did he get more than 20 minutes, only once did he get half an hour or more. Then he went on loan to Belgium where he had a poor half season, confidence shot I imagine after a horrendous 2018.

So, if on the basis of that 2018 at the age of 22 you all want to condemn this potential signing, I would wager that you were all mighty shocked by Son’s turnaround for us and all want Ndombele sold too, as anything else would make you hypocrites and I know none of you are hypocrites.

If you’re judging him ok his time in Turkey, bravo. You’re not only managing to find the time to watch not even the top side in an obscure league without incentive, which suggests a great appetite for watching football, but you’re managing to see beyond the stats and realise some not obvious frailties in his game that aren’t apparent in either his goal record or in videos like the above.

Two paragraphs of continuous sarcasm is enough. All I’ll say is, I have no idea of this guy is good enough or not, but I don’t think any of you do either. But based on his recent record, his age, and the combined skill set that video shows him to have, I at least understand why we’re looking at him. What I don’t understand is why some of you are slitting you’re wrists over this link if the information you have is the same as the information I have.

This is a very good post, I think to be honest most frustration with this link is to do with how the club does it's business as much as anything else. As we saw yesterday with Hojbjerg it seems like we probably didn't sign someone that would magically transform the midfield (a la VVD and Liverpools defence) after all, we signed a guy that's an upgrade on Winks and Sissoko but probably still not exactly what we needed. One look at Allan for Everton showed the profile of DM we needed IMHO. Of course Allan wasn't available for £3m+KWP so we got Hojbjerg.

I'm now at the point where I hope Vinicius comes in as it seems clear to me that he's Jose's current top target. Barring that I'd like Edouard as I think he has the highest ceiling and do genuinely believe being the top SPL player often translates well to the PL.

Sorloth and Milik I'm more reserved on but if Jose is happy with them so be it. Leipzig being in for Sorloth is a promising sign as they have good scouts. That said part of me thinks this is just another opportunistic signing that is prioritised for finanical reasons more than footballing ones.

sausage · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I watched this video after reading everyone’s comments expecting to see the modern embodiment of Rasiak.

You lot are nuts. Based on the fact that all we have to goon with any striker outside the top leagues is YouTube, who scored/ wiki/ transfermarkt, and maybe an accidentally caught CL or EL match, how can Daka (who looked great in his video) and Edouard be getting so much fawning but this guy gets panned?

Aside from his exceptional goal scoring record, he’s rapid for a very tall player, he’s a very composed finisher and he has good control, as well as his obvious thread in the air. You can see from this video exactly what Leipzig see in terms of replacing Erling. Yes, I’m aware it’s just a video, but do we really have any more info on him than on Dake, Edouard, Vinícius?

Yes, he flopped in a relegation fighting side when he signed in January. A closer look shows that, after signing, he played (all starts) an entire 4 matches, all losses, spread across 28 days, his first in this league, from mid February to mid March. Palace were 3 points above the relegation zone when he started his first match. He didn’t kick another ball that season after the fourth match.

173. That is how many minutes Sørloth had across the first half of the following season, across 12 matches, none starts, averaging 14 minutes a match. Only twice did he get more than 20 minutes, only once did he get half an hour or more. Then he went on loan to Belgium where he had a poor half season, confidence shot I imagine after a horrendous 2018.

So, if on the basis of that 2018 at the age of 22 you all want to condemn this potential signing, I would wager that you were all mighty shocked by Son’s turnaround for us and all want Ndombele sold too, as anything else would make you hypocrites and I know none of you are hypocrites.

If you’re judging him ok his time in Turkey, bravo. You’re not only managing to find the time to watch not even the top side in an obscure league without incentive, which suggests a great appetite for watching football, but you’re managing to see beyond the stats and realise some not obvious frailties in his game that aren’t apparent in either his goal record or in videos like the above.

Two paragraphs of continuous sarcasm is enough. All I’ll say is, I have no idea of this guy is good enough or not, but I don’t think any of you do either. But based on his recent record, his age, and the combined skill set that video shows him to have, I at least understand why we’re looking at him. What I don’t understand is why some of you are slitting you’re wrists over this link if the information you have is the same as the information I have.

His main strength, and you can see it in that video, is a sort of Dembele-lite ability to keep hold of the ball with 3 or 4 players around him. Granted, not PL players, but you can see why could be considered on the basis of that kind of thing alone.

As ever on here, if you call all the players crap and criticise everything about the club you'll be drowning in 'winner' ratings. That then seems to be infectious and it turns into an echo chamber of lazy opinions. As you mention, there are opinions formed where people don't seem to be making any effort in researching, or considering that experienced scouts are no doubt watching these lads in person and considering what they could do in our team, not Crystal Palace's

Joshua · Sep 14, 2020

I’m not enthused by this player at all. But until we find either an effective system for linking midfield to attack or sign a player who can do it themselves then I think which ever forward we sign is going to struggle. It will be irrelevant if he has kicked on and truly improved a lot in Turkey unless our approach play improves drastically.

leray · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Which link is better and why is the question is ask?

Our options seem to fall into top camps based on the links: premier league proven but already hit a middling ceiling; or young off the back of a break out season without being totally inexperienced.

I really don’t see much difference in the links to Edouard, Daka, Vinícius, Sørloth. The only outliers are Milik and Diallo, who have ok records in decent leagues but nothing spectacular.

I can see some logic behind the striker search. Sometimes you have one player in mind, like Liverpool did with Van Dijk and when you don't get him in the summer, you wait till winter. Because in the long-term, he's the one they need. Even if they overpay.

Barcelona for some time bought every player they wanted and overpaid for each of them leaving them financially vulnerable.

But most transfers happen when a player becomes available. This summer, we saw Wilson+King from the Cherries available (cause they got relegated), Edouard (because Celtic needs money), Milik (he has one year on his contract), Vinicius (Benfica needs money) and Watkins (cause Brentford MO means any player is available).

Diallo plays for a small club in France. There's a big difference between us and Metz.

Daka is not available and we might try to rock the boat a bit, but that will drag till the end of the window and probably won't be successful.

Sorloth is available because Trabzonspor want to cash in, simple as that.

matthew.absurdum · Sep 14, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Thank you, very kind. I’m sure that’s not strictly true but I’m pleased someone appreciated my ‘evidence first’ attitude to our links, because frankly I think we’re getting good links to forwards generally (Deeney aside imo) and yet I’m seeing them all being decried but am puzzled as to on what basis in pretty much each instance.

This is because I watched the highlight that you posted and I got a similar feeling towards the player

brasil_spur · Sep 14, 2020

Matthew said:
can't say he lit up the league when he was at palace, but even if he did come here and was lethal, he still wouldnt score many goals - solely down to the amount of chances we dont create! think yesterday proved we are CRYING out for a creative midfielder!

Agreed, we do need a backup striker obviously but we also need a replacment for Eriksen, or if indeed there is a remote possibility of him leaving Inter then the man himself.

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