Spursmatty87
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I get the impression that Danny’s one of them guys that moans about things, and his teammates just agree to shut him up. Danny then takes that as them agreeing we what he thinks.
Player watch: Danny Rose
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Everything Danny said in the documentary was correct, he expressed himself perfectly appropriately and without undue arrogance, and while Mourinho was consistently not playing him it wasnt like our results were great or even good.
Anyway, he's going and I've resolved myself to it but its a shame. I don't think we'll have a stronger rotation than Davies-Rose at lb this season, despite already having him under contract as is.
Anyway, he's going and I've resolved myself to it but its a shame. I don't think we'll have a stronger rotation than Davies-Rose at lb this season, despite already having him under contract as is.
JacoZA
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Well, in fairness, we don't know if the bit about everyone in the dressing room agreeing with him is true.
spursfan77
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It was the opposite wasn’t it?
When he leaked to the Sun at the time of the Watford game there was dissent in the ranks at Mourinho’s training, Son, Lloris and Toby all came out and said it was bollocks. The documentary has backed that up with them all looking chipper in training at the time.
spursfan77
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So he isn't convinced of the move then? Great.
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Erm no. Absolutely not.
Expression is about converting an idea into conduct and vocalisation (i.e. communicating it). Nothing about how he said it was appropriate and would have been the nail in the coffin.
He basically went straight up to Mourinho, after obviously winding himself up, and said "Whats the problem? You know exactly what I mean". Pretty much killed any hope from the start with passive aggressive nonsense. That makes it a conversation without compromise from the beginning. What made it worse was the way he stomped off like a toddler at the end - didn't say "thanks", just "I'll speak to Daniel then".
Expressing himself perfectly appropriately would have been:
"Hi Jose, do you have a minute" ...
"I've not played much recently and I know I could have done a lot better in the chance I had against Liverpool. I've noticed that we don't seem to be performing well as a defence, so I can see there's still an opportunity for other chances - what can I do to improve or to be top of the list?"
"Thanks for your time. I really think I have plenty left to give so I hope I can change your mind"
It's classic victim complex to completely ignore the aggression and impact you have on others around you, and only concentrate on how they are reacting to you.
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BringBack_leGin
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So much I disagree with in this thread.
Rose was definitely entitled to speak his mind, but not entitled to make threats, slag off teammates, or lose his temper in a meeting he’d shanghaid Mourinho into. His tone was confrontational and his lack of willingness to take criticism/ reasoning on board was poor. He may disagree with the reasoning but ultimately Mourinho picks the team, so it’s for Rose to find out how he can get him on side, then do so. As for the ‘I’m going to go over your head’ attitude, in what world does he think an ageing left back who’s had 1.5 very good seasons across 15/16-16/17 and has publicly mouthed off constantly for the past three years is going to hold more sway than the Jose Mourinho?
Then there’s the great servant, deserves better type stuff. Looking past his often embarrassing, occasionally toxic behaviour, outside of the 18 month stretch mentioned above (culminating in an injury after which he’s never been the same), he’s not done that much as all for us. He properly broke through in 13/14 under AVB/ Sherwood, so in the 7 seasons including that one where he’s been a first team regular, he’s managed an entire 140 league matches. That’s 20 games a season on average as a first team member, and he’s never managed 30 in one season, and it’s not just bad luck with injuries.
In 13/14 he was poor, constantly losing possession up field and very casual in his attempts to get back.
In 14/15 under Pochettino it looked like being more of the same but he began improving and seemed worth his place by the end of the season.
Then 15/16 and the first half of the following season he was great, no bones about it, absolutely great. Sadly, he got injured, and then that summer gave the infamous interview, since which he’s been back to his previous incarnation: lots of passion and aggression for the camera but nowhere near where he should be in key situations, damaging both our press and our shape. Even his ‘resurgence’ in 18/19 was really just a return to being ok after expectations had plummeted.
To my mind, a guy who’s played nowhere near enough, had a short peak surrounded by a lot of meh, has been unprofessional more than once and has failed to ever be accountable for his shortcoming is not a great servant, he’s a guy who’s best was a flash in the pan and has lived off it for too long.
Rose was definitely entitled to speak his mind, but not entitled to make threats, slag off teammates, or lose his temper in a meeting he’d shanghaid Mourinho into. His tone was confrontational and his lack of willingness to take criticism/ reasoning on board was poor. He may disagree with the reasoning but ultimately Mourinho picks the team, so it’s for Rose to find out how he can get him on side, then do so. As for the ‘I’m going to go over your head’ attitude, in what world does he think an ageing left back who’s had 1.5 very good seasons across 15/16-16/17 and has publicly mouthed off constantly for the past three years is going to hold more sway than the Jose Mourinho?
Then there’s the great servant, deserves better type stuff. Looking past his often embarrassing, occasionally toxic behaviour, outside of the 18 month stretch mentioned above (culminating in an injury after which he’s never been the same), he’s not done that much as all for us. He properly broke through in 13/14 under AVB/ Sherwood, so in the 7 seasons including that one where he’s been a first team regular, he’s managed an entire 140 league matches. That’s 20 games a season on average as a first team member, and he’s never managed 30 in one season, and it’s not just bad luck with injuries.
In 13/14 he was poor, constantly losing possession up field and very casual in his attempts to get back.
In 14/15 under Pochettino it looked like being more of the same but he began improving and seemed worth his place by the end of the season.
Then 15/16 and the first half of the following season he was great, no bones about it, absolutely great. Sadly, he got injured, and then that summer gave the infamous interview, since which he’s been back to his previous incarnation: lots of passion and aggression for the camera but nowhere near where he should be in key situations, damaging both our press and our shape. Even his ‘resurgence’ in 18/19 was really just a return to being ok after expectations had plummeted.
To my mind, a guy who’s played nowhere near enough, had a short peak surrounded by a lot of meh, has been unprofessional more than once and has failed to ever be accountable for his shortcoming is not a great servant, he’s a guy who’s best was a flash in the pan and has lived off it for too long.
Dazzazzad
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With Rose it could just be that he's not convinced Genoa exists.
The confrontation Danny had with Jose on the amazon show happens every single day at clubs across the country. Has nobody ever had an issue at work and it’s got bit heated with there boss ffs? Was he wrong in asking why the manager chose to play a right footed CB at LB instead of him? Nope.. for me I’ve always loved how somewhat normal he is for a footballer. He shares the opinions we moan about on this forum and gets ripped ??
I'm sorry but I see this as a false equivalence. What Danny has done is not just 'speak his mind', he is actively sowing discord amongst the team. He is calling his own teammates shit, to the manager and also to their face. If I did that at my work I would be rightly criticised, because I am demonstrating that I find myself to be more important than the collective, I am criticising a more senior individual's ability, and arguably I am reducing team morale. You see him 'speaking his mind' as refreshing; I think there is a reason it's not common - it's unproductive and actually detrimental.
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Plus there are a few basics on the pitch that he's never been able to do. It could have been down to editing but he did not come across at all well in the documentary and didn't do himself any favours in terms of his future career with another club. Given his mental problems etc. perhaps he should have asked not to be filmed.
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That's unfortunately inconsistent with his past behaviour - he (seemingly) loves to draw attention to it all because he has this perception, it seems, that the world it out to get him and everyone should witness it. It seems like he had a habit of making himself known, PR wise, so it's more likely that he intended to be on camera calling out Mourinho.
As with other appearances in the media, it hasn't come across well.
I think that is all a bit symptomatic of some kind of paranoia maybe.
RikkiRocket
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As he sits at home waiting for 39-2 to flash up on his phone......
Hi, it’s Paolo ?
Hi, it’s Paolo ?
FibreOpticJesus
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Squad nos just announced ...No Danny
spursfan77
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No 3 and no 9 taken
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Reguilon and Edouard
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JeremyPaxton
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Take the hint Danny... Milan aren’t in for you, sign the damn Genoa contact
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I always hate when a player I loved leaves the club. 1 because suddenly everyone comes out of their basement to get in their dunks on him for whatever weird self satisfying reason. 2 because they were part of my connection to the club.
I know some on here never forgave him for that Sun interview (even though many of you moan the same opinion on here on the reg) and the last year has not been kind to Rose on the pitch, but there was a good few years there where Rose was both on and off the pitch one of my favorite players. He always spoke his mind, never played the media games, and gave his all to win. We still miss his insane ability to pull a penalty from nothing and his constant fight. If he goes I'll genuinely miss him and be sad and wish him nothing but the best.
I know some on here never forgave him for that Sun interview (even though many of you moan the same opinion on here on the reg) and the last year has not been kind to Rose on the pitch, but there was a good few years there where Rose was both on and off the pitch one of my favorite players. He always spoke his mind, never played the media games, and gave his all to win. We still miss his insane ability to pull a penalty from nothing and his constant fight. If he goes I'll genuinely miss him and be sad and wish him nothing but the best.
PrettyColors
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I won't hear anything bad about Danny Rose. 13 years (do you realize how rare that is, especially for a player not from our youth system), position changes, numerous loans, and one of the most memorable debuts in the entire history of Totenham Hotspur. Not to mention that from 2015-2018 he was probably the best left back in the country and had a truly incredible fitness record for us, even coming back from an awful knee injury ahead of schedule.
I suspect most who criticize Rose would get winded walking up a couple flights of stairs, this guy did 10+ long sprints per game while starting for England and basically covered our entire left wing for 7 years. There's a level of fed up that consistent physical exhaustion brings, we see it with Eriksen, Walker, and even Kane. I get why he would be a little miffed at not challenging for more, and I actually agreed with a fair bit of his criticism. It's only natural to have an imagined view of our players as magically fated to the club the same way we are, and to take for granted consistent excellence from someone like Rose. He never said anything bad about the fans or the club itself, just levied criticism at the club management that is surpassed on here daily by us supporters.
Danny is a black man who's dealt with awful insults to him and his family, been called brainless and stupid, and was probably underpaid for a good bit of his Spurs career. He has an anger and edge to him that makes him an excellent player, and it's silly to not expect it to bleed over to his day-to-day life. I always believed he would give 100% for the shirt and no one can deny he truly ran himself ragged for the club. For that, I salute Rose as the best LB we've had in the modern era and wish him all the best.
I suspect most who criticize Rose would get winded walking up a couple flights of stairs, this guy did 10+ long sprints per game while starting for England and basically covered our entire left wing for 7 years. There's a level of fed up that consistent physical exhaustion brings, we see it with Eriksen, Walker, and even Kane. I get why he would be a little miffed at not challenging for more, and I actually agreed with a fair bit of his criticism. It's only natural to have an imagined view of our players as magically fated to the club the same way we are, and to take for granted consistent excellence from someone like Rose. He never said anything bad about the fans or the club itself, just levied criticism at the club management that is surpassed on here daily by us supporters.
Danny is a black man who's dealt with awful insults to him and his family, been called brainless and stupid, and was probably underpaid for a good bit of his Spurs career. He has an anger and edge to him that makes him an excellent player, and it's silly to not expect it to bleed over to his day-to-day life. I always believed he would give 100% for the shirt and no one can deny he truly ran himself ragged for the club. For that, I salute Rose as the best LB we've had in the modern era and wish him all the best.
