Player Watch: Joe Hart

WalkerboyUK · Sep 5, 2020

sausage said:
Just for the sake of saying, why isn't this offside/interfering?

Looks to me like Hart's line of sight was blocked by someone a few yards offside, unless he's being played on by someone out of sight?

if it had been a PL game it would have been ruled out for offside

gavspur · Sep 5, 2020

Seems his positioning was all wrong, far too central, which is weird for a keeper of his experience.
Strange one. Lack of concentration maybe? If you’re supposedly crap at diving left, you’d give yourself ample opportunity to cover that area, not just stay central. Not writing him off, but I find it a bit strange. No point being a voice in the changing room if the players can’t look up to you.

Adam456 · Sep 5, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
Taking pleasure in Spurs players making mistakes so one can say “I told you so” is such an admirable quality in a Spurs ‘supporter’.

Who would have thought that a dour, behind closed doors pre-season friendly with Watford could generate such 'drama' on SC.

If it's any consolation I don't think, confidence-wise, that this particular error will have been the straw that broke the camel's back

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Sep 5, 2020

When you breakdown the goal and what Hart can see it is really poor, and is more than being 'rusty' his whole technique is wrong.

You can see from the first frame he gets his first view of the ball when it is still outside the area

From there he has clear site of the ball and his initial positioning is decent, the ball is not heading into the corner of the goal, so Hart doesn't have to move far to make the save. It should be a routine save for a top class goalkeeper to make.

The problem as the earlier posted highlighted is his technique, as the ball comes towards him he moves is left foot away from the ball and is now further away from making the save then he was when the ball was stuck and now his balance is all wrong to dive to his left. His dive becomes little more than a token dive as he has little chance to get down low from the position he has put himself in.

snakehipsspurs · Sep 5, 2020

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
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When you breakdown the goal and what Hart can see it is really poor, and is more than being 'rusty' his whole technique is wrong.

You can see from the first frame he gets his first view of the ball when it is still outside the area

From there he has clear site of the ball and his initial positioning is decent, the ball is not heading into the corner of the goal, so Hart doesn't have to move far to make the save. It should be a routine save for a top class goalkeeper to make.

The problem as the earlier posted highlighted is his technique, as the ball comes towards him he moves is left foot away from the ball and is now further away from making the save then he was when the ball was stuck and now his balance is all wrong to dive to his left. His dive becomes little more than a token dive as he has little chance to get down low from the position he has put himself in.

I still think it’s a confidence thing, because all it takes is a split second to worry about a deflection, or think about your footwork and suddenly you’re moving slow and the shot is past you.

From experience in goal, you have so much time to think in situations like this as a goalie and if you’re short or time/lacking confidence/trying to make an impression, these shots shots are a nightmare.

I don’t think Joe’s top class anymore, but I certainly think he’s good enough for the no. 2 job. He’ll get good chances in Europe to settle into playing again, and he’ll be protected better with us than he was with West Ham (who can’t defend) and Burnley (who are happy to concede shots but from distance).

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Sep 5, 2020

snakehipsspurs said:
I still think it’s a confidence thing, because all it takes is a split second to worry about a deflection, or think about your footwork and suddenly you’re moving slow and the shot is past you.

From experience in goal, you have so much time to think in situations like this as a goalie and if you’re short or time/lacking confidence/trying to make an impression, these shots shots are a nightmare.

I don’t think Joe’s top class anymore, but I certainly think he’s good enough for the no. 2 job. He’ll get good chances in Europe to settle into playing again, and he’ll be protected better with us than he was with West Ham (who can’t defend) and Burnley (who are happy to concede shots but from distance).

I hope so, from all accounts he's a great guy to have around and I really hope he get's his confidence back and performs.

But I won't lie and say I wouldn't be concerned with him being in goal for us. I can just see him making a big mistake at a crucial time.

matthew.absurdum · Sep 5, 2020

If Joe is our 3rd choice keeper, then I don't see any big problems. If you do not use youth keeper as a 3rd choice keeper, then Joe is the best possible candidate in the market.

But I think Gazza is currently a much better keeper as a backup choice. I am worried if Jose starts Joe instead of Gazza and Hugo in cup matches

The Opinionated Lurker · Sep 5, 2020

And to think some here were absolutely dancing when he signed ? Gazzaniga on his worst day is comfortably better than him these days, the only thing Hart has him beat on is shouting a lot.

Johnny J · Sep 5, 2020

This "can't dive left" stuff reminds me of

Phil_2.0 · Sep 6, 2020

If Hart is 3rd choice then there is no problem but I'm pretty sure we will be selling Gazzaniga so that's why Hart will be a problem this season.

Croftwoodspurs · Sep 6, 2020

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
View attachment 72869

When you breakdown the goal and what Hart can see it is really poor, and is more than being 'rusty' his whole technique is wrong.

You can see from the first frame he gets his first view of the ball when it is still outside the area

From there he has clear site of the ball and his initial positioning is decent, the ball is not heading into the corner of the goal, so Hart doesn't have to move far to make the save. It should be a routine save for a top class goalkeeper to make.

The problem as the earlier posted highlighted is his technique, as the ball comes towards him he moves is left foot away from the ball and is now further away from making the save then he was when the ball was stuck and now his balance is all wrong to dive to his left. His dive becomes little more than a token dive as he has little chance to get down low from the position he has put himself in.

Whilst he could have done better, it's seems his view was blocked by the Watford player, and only saw it when it came passed the player... It was travelling at some speed so his reaction would have been seconds to react.

Also the ball curved towards the end away from him...

In the premier league it would have been disallowed as the forward would have been interfering.

Archibald&Crooks · Sep 6, 2020

This is all going to run and run because whenever there's disagreement over a goalkeeper there's going to be many occasions where he'll be blamed for goals unfairly which will continue feeding it. That's how SC has always rolled, one or two posters apart, subjectivity goes out the window. Gazzaniga was the dogs bollocks until he made a few mistakes, Lloris was subject to some pretty spiteful vitriol and so on. Theres a few posters who think it's 'funny' to be that way against our players, but you learn which opinions to take seriously and who to just ignore.

In this instance, it does look like he could have done better but there's a number of things to consider about the defending as a whole for that and it's hardly a outright howler, the fact that he (the goalscorer) was allowed to run so far and get a shot off is pretty much ignored because that's the agenda right now. How unsighted was he. We can't tell unless there's actual behind the goal footage, once you go 'high' that gets distorted but once people get the bit between their teeth there's no stopping them, we go from body language experts to professors of trigonometry.

If we concede it's going to be blame Hart. Even when there's no blame, a little bit of blame or (and it's guaranteed to happen) blame where there shouldn't be any. I guess that's just how some people like to roll.

I just wish there were less spite/vitriol directed at players and more balance. But cock length is king.

absolute bobbins · Sep 6, 2020

Croftwoodspurs said:
Whilst he could have done better, it's seems his view was blocked by the Watford player, and only saw it when it came passed the player... It was travelling at some speed so his reaction would have been seconds to react.

Also the ball curved towards the end away from him...

In the premier league it would have been disallowed as the forward would have been interfering.

There's also the speed of the shot to factor in, I've only seen the screen grabs but it looks like it traveled around 20-25 meters in less than a second.

But in reality, the usual suspects need to sack the fuck up. There is so much wet blanketry about the third choice keeper. Even if Hart miraculously becomes second choice the reasons will only be because he's showing more than Gazzaniga.

sausage · Sep 6, 2020

Archibald&Crooks said:
This is all going to run and run because whenever there's disagreement over a goalkeeper there's going to be many occasions where he'll be blamed for goals unfairly which will continue feeding it. That's how SC has always rolled, one or two posters apart, subjectivity goes out the window. Gazzaniga was the dogs bollocks until he made a few mistakes, Lloris was subject to some pretty spiteful vitriol and so on. Theres a few posters who think it's 'funny' to be that way against our players, but you learn which opinions to take seriously and who to just ignore.

In this instance, it does look like he could have done better but there's a number of things to consider about the defending as a whole for that and it's hardly a outright howler, the fact that he (the goalscorer) was allowed to run so far and get a shot off is pretty much ignored because that's the agenda right now. How unsighted was he. We can't tell unless there's actual behind the goal footage, once you go 'high' that gets distorted but once people get the bit between their teeth there's no stopping them, we go from body language experts to professors of trigonometry.

If we concede it's going to be blame Hart. Even when there's no blame, a little bit of blame or (and it's guaranteed to happen) blame where there shouldn't be any. I guess that's just how some people like to roll.

I just wish there were less spite/vitriol directed at players and more balance. But cock length is king.

In addition, when are goalkeepers supposed to get the. confidence and sharpness for these saves?

In the past, no one would give much of a hoop about some friendly game. It's all under the microscope now if you don't put on your best CL final form for a weakened side away to Watford with no fans.

bubble07 · Sep 6, 2020

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
View attachment 72869

When you breakdown the goal and what Hart can see it is really poor, and is more than being 'rusty' his whole technique is wrong.

You can see from the first frame he gets his first view of the ball when it is still outside the area

From there he has clear site of the ball and his initial positioning is decent, the ball is not heading into the corner of the goal, so Hart doesn't have to move far to make the save. It should be a routine save for a top class goalkeeper to make.

The problem as the earlier posted highlighted is his technique, as the ball comes towards him he moves is left foot away from the ball and is now further away from making the save then he was when the ball was stuck and now his balance is all wrong to dive to his left. His dive becomes little more than a token dive as he has little chance to get down low from the position he has put himself in.

Great post and highlights the issue

JimmyG2 · Sep 6, 2020

Always look a free gift horse
in the mouth.

southlondonyiddo · Sep 6, 2020

Why are so many people trying so hard to defend a very poor goalkeeper?

I find it odd

nailsy · Sep 6, 2020

It's no surprise that he didn't look great because he hasn't looked great for a while. He's not going to join us and be brilliant straight away. The question is whether our coaching and Jose's motivation can get him back to the standard he was at when he was at City.

southlondonyiddo · Sep 6, 2020

nailsy said:
It's no surprise that he didn't look great because he hasn't looked great for a while. He's not going to join us and be brilliant straight away. The question is whether our coaching and Jose's motivation can get him back to the standard he was at when he was at City.

Torino, West Ham & Burnley couldn’t turn him round. Why are we so different?

We’d all love to see the old Joe Hart but seriously how is that going to happen after such a long period of very poor form...

Shadydan · Sep 6, 2020

southlondonyiddo said:
Why are so many people trying so hard to defend a very poor goalkeeper?

I find it odd

I find it strange that somone is willing to write off a new signing at the first opportunity they have.

It's almost agenda driven like...perhaps it is ?‍

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