Player Watch: Joe Hart

[Archibald&Crooks]

Why are so many people trying so hard to defend a very poor goalkeeper?

I find it odd

Not as odd as what people seem to expect a back up goalkeeper to be. Hart is a competent goalkeeper, he's not at the level he was but then again neither are we, but those delusions of grandeur aren't going away any time soon, for what we want and for what we're willing to pay we've done as well as we can reasonably expect for that role.

Whoever gets the gig will make mistakes. The less he's likely to make, the more likely he'll be a No1 somewhere and the less likely he's going to want the gig. There's a reason Hart is a back up now and you never know, as unlikely as people seem to think it is, he could turn that all around. Who knows. And then we'll be in a great position.

Complaining about it is about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

This is all going to run and run because whenever there's disagreement over a goalkeeper there's going to be many occasions where he'll be blamed for goals unfairly which will continue feeding it. That's how SC has always rolled, one or two posters apart, subjectivity goes out the window. Gazzaniga was the dogs bollocks until he made a few mistakes, Lloris was subject to some pretty spiteful vitriol and so on. Theres a few posters who think it's 'funny' to be that way against our players, but you learn which opinions to take seriously and who to just ignore.

In this instance, it does look like he could have done better but there's a number of things to consider about the defending as a whole for that and it's hardly a outright howler, the fact that he (the goalscorer) was allowed to run so far and get a shot off is pretty much ignored because that's the agenda right now. How unsighted was he. We can't tell unless there's actual behind the goal footage, once you go 'high' that gets distorted but once people get the bit between their teeth there's no stopping them, we go from body language experts to professors of trigonometry.

If we concede it's going to be blame Hart. Even when there's no blame, a little bit of blame or (and it's guaranteed to happen) blame where there shouldn't be any. I guess that's just how some people like to roll.

I just wish there were less spite/vitriol directed at players and more balance. But cock length is king.

I think the clip @Spurrific shows in response to me pretty much displays what you’ve suggested, which is that he should’ve done better but there’s a lot of mitigation of that in how much sight he had of it and at what point. Certainly not a red flag, and we shouldn’t judge him by the fact that Hugo would’ve saved it because Hugo is arguably the best shot stopper on earth.

It’s just sad that so many of our posted take such glee in taking the first opportunity to say ‘I told you so’ about a player they don’t rate, but never seem to do the opposite on the hundreds of occasions they get it wrong.

It’s one thing to go ott about a player in the heat of the moment, it’s totally different to await that mistake in such a calculated and deliberate fashion purely with the aim of berating him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I think the clip @Spurrific shows in response to me pretty much displays what you’ve suggested, which is that he should’ve done better but there’s a lot of mitigation of that in how much sight he had of it and at what point. Certainly not a red flag, and we shouldn’t judge him by the fact that Hugo would’ve saved it because Hugo is arguably the best shot stopper on earth.

It’s just sad that so many of our posted take such glee in taking the first opportunity to say ‘I told you so’ about a player they don’t rate, but never seem to do the opposite on the hundreds of occasions they get it wrong.

It’s one thing to go ott about a player in the heat of the moment, it’s totally different to await that mistake in such a calculated and deliberate fashion purely with the aim of berating him.

I've no problem with people not rating him but as you say, there are those who carry on exactly as you say and IMO it's poor. Some balance, even fairness wouldn't go amiss. Sadly, those who show that get lumped together at some point as fanboys. We've had this with pretty much every goalkeeper we've had over the last 15 or so years. Gomes actually took a proper coating for a goal or 'mistake' that never even crossed the line at Chelsea but people were so rabid about him back then that the facts didn't matter, it was given as a goal and that's all the baying mob needed

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Not as odd as what people seem to expect a back up goalkeeper to be. Hart is a competent goalkeeper, he's not at the level he was but then again neither are we, but those delusions of grandeur aren't going away any time soon, for what we want and for what we're willing to pay we've done as well as we can reasonably expect for that role.

Whoever gets the gig will make mistakes. The less he's likely to make, the more likely he'll be a No1 somewhere and the less likely he's going to want the gig. There's a reason Hart is a back up now and you never know, as unlikely as people seem to think it is, he could turn that all around. Who knows. And then we'll be in a great position.

Complaining about it is about as much use as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest.

I’d just prefer a keeper on the way up as opposed to one on the way down

I’d rather someone in goal that may make a mistake rather than someone who is guaranteed to

There must be so many good,up and coming, hungry keepers out there.
We’ve basically signed him because he’s on a free....

The scum have 2 very solid keepers as do many other premier league clubs

It’s a similar scenario to Kane. A 150m striker with nothing or a free as backup!

 

[Maxtremist]

Did Hart make a mistake? Possibly.
Is he past his best? Possibly.
Is he a Spurs player and will I want him to improve and be better? Definitely. So he has my support.

Plus this is the whole goalkeeper curse. He makes one mistake and it's costly. Any of our outfield players make a mistake and it's rarely gonna cost us a goal and they can get away with it. So I don't think it's that big a deal that our back up keeper made a relatively minor mistake.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I think the clip @Spurrific shows in response to me pretty much displays what you’ve suggested, which is that he should’ve done better but there’s a lot of mitigation of that in how much sight he had of it and at what point. Certainly not a red flag, and we shouldn’t judge him by the fact that Hugo would’ve saved it because Hugo is arguably the best shot stopper on earth.

It’s just sad that so many of our posted take such glee in taking the first opportunity to say ‘I told you so’ about a player they don’t rate, but never seem to do the opposite on the hundreds of occasions they get it wrong.

It’s one thing to go ott about a player in the heat of the moment, it’s totally different to await that mistake in such a calculated and deliberate fashion purely with the aim of berating him.

You can make reasoned arguments for why a 'top' keeper has let in the odd goal he should probably save.

When the catalogue (of suspect goals) stacks up week after week , month after month, year after year then you are just blind and or stupid and you’re making excuses for the inexcusable

A bit like Soldado....

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I've no problem with people not rating him but as you say, there are those who carry on exactly as you say and IMO it's poor. Some balance, even fairness wouldn't go amiss. Sadly, those who show that get lumped together at some point as fanboys. We've had this with pretty much every goalkeeper we've had over the last 15 or so years. Gomes actually took a proper coating for a goal or 'mistake' that never even crossed the line at Chelsea but people were so rabid about him back then that the facts didn't matter, it was given as a goal and that's all the baying mob needed

Fanboy
Happy clapper
Various thinly veiled suggestions of sexual feelings towards the player in question

It’s not just goalies. Look at the shit aimed at Dele yesterday just for being ineffective v Watford in a friendly. Look at how much crap Dier gets for the simple crime of not being Baresi. Ekotto used to get dogs abuse despite being mostly very good just because he was once a touch too honest. Aurier despite his superb professionalism just 6 weeks ago is still getting it. Lennon, Defoe, even Bale. And of course, pretty much every single manager.

I do remember the Gomes uproar. It was a low point on this site.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You can make reasoned arguments for why a 'top' keeper has let in the odd goal he should probably save.

When the catalogue (of suspect goals) stacks up week after week , month after month, year after year then you are just blind and or stupid and you’re making excuses for the inexcusable

A bit like Soldado....

I didn’t realise Hart had a catalogue of mistakes stacking up years and years for us.

Thanks for calling me blind or stupid. I can assure you neither are anywhere near true.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Did Hart make a mistake? Possibly.
Is he past his best? Possibly.
Is he a Spurs player and will I want him to improve and be better? Definitely. So he has my support.

Plus this is the whole goalkeeper curse. He makes one mistake and it's costly. Any of our outfield players make a mistake and it's rarely gonna cost us a goal and they can get away with it. So I don't think it's that big a deal that our back up keeper made a relatively minor mistake.

It’s not a curse mate. If you make a mistake in goal it’s curtains, we all know that. That is football

That is why it’s vital to have keepers that don’t give away too many soft goals

Once the softness of the goals conceded becomes untenable then it’s the end. Robbo & Gomes

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I didn’t realise Hart had a catalogue of mistakes stacking up years and years for us.

Thanks for calling me blind or stupid. I can assure you neither are anywhere near true.

Hart does have a catalogue of mistakes going back years now. Whether or not that is with us is irrelevant unless people only watch and know all things Spurs!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Hart does have a catalogue of mistakes going back years now. Whether or not that is with us is irrelevant unless people only watch and know all things Spurs!

So there’s never been an example of a player being poor in one place but decent in another?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

When the catalogue (of suspect goals) stacks up week after week , month after month, year after year then you are just blind and or stupid and you’re making excuses for the inexcusable

This makes me wonder how on earth a premier league club, or any professional football club for that matter, could possibly employ such an obviously inept buffoon. Are we a club run from top to bottom by blind, stupid people?

Of course, there is always the possibility that this so called catalogue of mistakes, made month after month, year after year is at best vastly exaggerated.

Whatever. But should I now tell you that you're as thick as pigshit because you think he's a lot worse than I think he is? I don't think that so I don't think I will, you're entitled to have an opinion, but it'd be nice if it wasn't wrapped up in that sort of thing, that's one of the reasons these debates roll this way.

 

[nailsy]

Torino, West Ham & Burnley couldn’t turn him round. Why are we so different?

We’d all love to see the old Joe Hart but seriously how is that going to happen after such a long period of very poor form...

Different coaches, different manager, different facilities, different mentality from the player. Players can improve or decline at any time. If he does improve then we've done well. If he doesn't then we're not any worse off than when Vorm was here.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

This is starting to go around in circles now so i'm out for now, but i'll add this.

Do I want Joe Hart as our No1? No. Do I think he's a capable stand in? Yes.

And he'll almost certainly make mistakes. As will every other goalkeeper. And as with every other stand in goalkeeper all we can do is hope those mistakes, in the limited number of games he will play, are kept to a minimum. That might happen.

A also hope that people don't start ****ing him off for 'made up' mistakes. But that will happen.

I'm off for a spot of seafood on the coast with my daughter and then to Dungeness to buy some freshly landed fish. Laters.

 

[sausage]

Ndombele "the fans are unfair and are being overly critical of me"
Sissoko "don't worry - I've had it for years"
Aurier "Me too!"

Hart "Don't worry guys, I've got this - I just need to let in one goal and you'll all be safe"

 

[southlondonyiddo]

So there’s never been an example of a player being poor in one place but decent in another?

Poor for 4 years and then suddenly good somewhere else. Unless they have dropped down 2/3 levels or they were suffering with injury then highly unlikely

I’d love to be proved wrong though and will happily eat humble pie

 

[nailsy]

I’d just prefer a keeper on the way up as opposed to one on the way down

I’d rather someone in goal that may make a mistake rather than someone who is guaranteed to

There must be so many good,up and coming, hungry keepers out there.
We’ve basically signed him because he’s on a free....

The scum have 2 very solid keepers as do many other premier league clubs

It’s a similar scenario to Kane. A 150m striker with nothing or a free as backup!

We did sign him because he was on a free, but he's also home grown and has accepted low wages. So far no one on here has been able to offer any alternative players who would be fairly cheap, home grown and accept back up status. Ramsdale has just moved for £18m. Young English goalkeepers aren't cheap.

 

[WiganSpur]

Should have easily saved it but maybe he was unsighted

 

[yankspurs]

I find it strange that somone is willing to write off a new signing at the first opportunity they have.

It's almost agenda driven like...perhaps it is ?‍

Sorry i wrote Hart off when he was at West Ham and that was 3 years ago. He was awful there. He hasnt proven me wrong since. Pep was only ahead of the curve. He’s a really bad keeper now. His downfall has been rapid and staggering.

 

[Shadydan]

Sorry i wrote Hart off when he was at West Ham and that was 3 years ago. He was awful there. He hasnt proven me wrong since. Pep was only ahead of the curve. He’s a really bad keeper now. His downfall has been rapid and staggering.

Yeah but you're yankspurs