Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

joey55 · Aug 25, 2020

daryl hannah said:
when you've got Wimmer, bought for £4m, going for £18m I don't think you can correlate anything about how Daniel does business with

I think you're not factoring in amortisation - writing off a players' contract over the length of their contract. The transfer fee when a player is sold also takes into account their wages which shows up as one amortised figure in the profit column, showing a 'profit improvement'.

So it's it's not just about the 'market inflated figure' as you put it - it's not that black and white.

However, if you want to look at it like that, then when your £10m player's 5 contract is down to last year (so £2m left to write off against tax (plus wages off the books improvement once sold)) and you sell him for £17m, you've a profit improvement of £15m PLUS the wages off the books. It might be that that fresh £15m gets put into a transfer kitty, but at least £8m of the original fee has been written off against the club's profits each year over 4 of the 5 years of his contract.

(It may be used to buy houses and land. Who knows?)

I'm aware of all that. I'm just pointing out why Levy would take the fee touted for NDombele and also that in real terms, we very rarely profit from player sales, despite Levy's reputation of wanting to profit from players. It was two different points I was making.

sausage · Aug 25, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I think you're not factoring in amortisation - writing off a players' contract over the length of their contract. The transfer fee when a player is sold also takes into account their wages which shows up as one amortised figure in the profit column, showing a 'profit improvement'.

So it's it's not just about the 'market inflated figure' as you put it - it's not that black and white.

However, if you want to look at it like that, then when your £10m player's 5 contract is down to last year (so £2m left to write off against tax (plus wages off the books improvement once sold)) and you sell him for £17m, you've a profit improvement of £15m PLUS the wages off the books. It might be that that fresh £15m gets put into a transfer kitty, but at least £8m of the original fee has been written off against the club's profits each year over 4 of the 5 years of his contract.

(It may be used to buy houses and land. Who knows?)

Hence why accountants are well-paid.

(and often seen as 'uninteresting' people, because they make the perceivably simple quite complicated)

daryl hannah · Aug 25, 2020

joey55 said:
I'm aware of all that. I'm just pointing out why Levy would take the fee touted for NDombele and also that in real terms, we very rarely profit from player sales, despite Levy's reputation of wanting to profit from players. It was two different points I was making.

Well, rest assured, that Levy wants to profit from players - he's just bought a bunch of shit ones recently.

Inq · Aug 25, 2020

Considering the current gaps in the squad where and when do you think Levy accepts a loss on Tanguy? Eventually the season is going to be a few days away. With gaps at right back and back up striker I think there has to be a point where Daniel accepts this transfer failed move on and accept a loss. It definitely could get worse if we don’t sell and he stays and doesn’t sort his head out.

or ENIC need to stop mucking about give mourinho a cash injection to put a proper squad together for the coming season.

joey55 · Aug 25, 2020

daryl hannah said:
Well, rest assured, that Levy wants to profit from players - he's just bought a bunch of shit ones recently.

I shouldn't have used to word "want", obviously everyone wants to get as much as they can when selling something.

I was initially explaining why Levy would accept the 42 mill. Then someone suggested that Levy buys players as individual investments to profit from, I suppose like a used cars salesman. So I was pointing out this wouldn't be the case, as the players we profit on are the one's we don't want to sell. I was just trying to say Levy doesn't have a player trading scheme going where he thinks he can earn himself a bit of money on the side, which is the gist of an accusation often made against him.

THOWIG · Aug 25, 2020

InOffMeLeftShin said:
I’m still not quite sure what kind of player he is. I’ve heard people describe him as an anchor or as a box to box midfielder. They must have obviously seen something from him before to say those things. I didn’t watch him in France and saw only a couple of his CL games, certainly not enough to judge the type of player we were getting. I guess I’d seen the dembele comparisons so expected that and maybe that’s why I’m more disappointed.

What I see from him is someone who has great skill in a tight space and can create something out of nothing. Yes we need those things in the team 100% but I think we need someone who can be the architect or pull the strings and I don’t think Tanguy has shown any of that. Everything good he has done seems to be in the moment and not pre-meditated.

I don’t think he is the type of player we desperately need. I don’t think he has added anything particularly positive so far (not saying he can’t). I think we desperately need the type of player we hoped he’d be before he came.

We need a controller in midfielder and someone who can pass the ball forward. I think Ndombele fits the box to box mould and would have been possibly seen as an alternative to Eriksen as he certainly creates and can move the ball forward quickly, but we've just not seen it as yet or as it appears we never will.

InOffMeLeftShin · Aug 25, 2020

THOWIG said:
We need a controller in midfielder and someone who can pass the ball forward. I think Ndombele fits the box to box mould and would have been possibly seen as an alternative to Eriksen as he certainly creates and can move the ball forward quickly, but we've just not seen it as yet or as it appears we never will.

Hmm I must just not be seeing it then. I’ve not seen anything from him in a Spurs shirt to suggest he can be a controller or a box to box player. He plays on the periphery. He isn’t trying to initiate play but is more reacting to the play when it comes to him (which he does really well). I don’t see anything to suggest he is going to change from that. Could he be used higher up the field in more of a Dele type role where he is involved less but his moments of inspiration are more directly impactful and can help us break down stubborn defences? Maybe.

THOWIG · Aug 25, 2020

InOffMeLeftShin said:
Hmm I must just not be seeing it then. I’ve not seen anything from him in a Spurs shirt to suggest he can be a controller or a box to box player. He plays on the periphery. He isn’t trying to initiate play but is more reacting to the play when it comes to him (which he does really well). I don’t see anything to suggest he is going to change from that. Could he be used higher up the field in more of a Dele type role where he is involved less but his moments of inspiration are more directly impactful and can help us break down stubborn defences? Maybe.

Yes definitely. I'd always imagined playing with more freedom alongside Lo Celso and a DM/Controller behind them.

dtxspurs · Aug 25, 2020

Can't we just go back to this?? :cry:

George94 · Aug 25, 2020

dtxspurs said:
Can't we just go back to this??

It's all down to him - there is absolutely nobody else who can make it happen for him at Spurs other than himself.

wiggo24 · Aug 25, 2020

Could have implications re Ndombele

dtxspurs · Aug 25, 2020

wiggo24 said:
Could have implications re Ndombele

Hope Skriniar is good...

wiggo24 · Aug 25, 2020

dtxspurs said:
Hope Skriniar is good...

TBF, I was against it earlier in the window but given what we now (sort of) know about Ndombele's commitment I'd be pretty happy to swap him for Skriniar + a bit of cash and hopefully get Sabitzer as well. Probably the absolute best case scenario though.

JayB · Aug 25, 2020

dtxspurs said:
Hope Skriniar is good...

I've seen many Inter supporters suggest that Ndombele is not a player that Conte has any interest in, only their board. Conte has extremely high fitness requirements for his players, someone like Ndombele is anathema to him. If he has managed to convince the board to back his transfer wishes I'd say it's less likely now that they'll come in for Ndombele.

WiganSpur · Aug 25, 2020

I think all we can do now is our core business. Get RB and Striker sorted and we can see what transpires with Ndombele. My concern though is him staying whilst at the same time being pretty much useless leaving us light on midfield quality. Hopefully we can shift someone a bit more surprising like Gazzaniga, Lamela or Sissoko in that case but i'm really not hopeful.

JR1994 · Aug 25, 2020

wiggo24 said:
Could have implications re Ndombele

If he’s not willing to work for us can’t see how he’s going to enjoy playing under conte

Joely · Aug 25, 2020

JayB said:
Conte has extremely high fitness requirements for his players, someone like Ndombele is anathema to him.

Agree. Think saw a recent interview with Conte where he stressed the importance of players putting in the hard work in training. If there is truth in Ndombele's lack of graft/application in training, struggling to see how he'd work under Conte unless there is some sort of turnaround in his attitude.

delawarespur · Aug 25, 2020

JayB said:
I've seen many Inter supporters suggest that Ndombele is not a player that Conte has any interest in, only their board. Conte has extremely high fitness requirements for his players, someone like Ndombele is anathema to him. If he has managed to convince the board to back his transfer wishes I'd say it's less likely now that they'll come in for Ndombele.

I was always under the impression he WAS a Conte target given that the reporting on his situation seemed to be angling that way. Like you said though, it would be really weird given conte’s fitness and general application demands. I have a feeling you are probably right on this one.

dtxspurs · Aug 25, 2020

JayB said:
I've seen many Inter supporters suggest that Ndombele is not a player that Conte has any interest in, only their board. Conte has extremely high fitness requirements for his players, someone like Ndombele is anathema to him. If he has managed to convince the board to back his transfer wishes I'd say it's less likely now that they'll come in for Ndombele.

The link of Conte & Ndombele certainly never made any sense to me.

Neon_Knight_ · Aug 25, 2020

joey55 said:
I'm aware of all that. I'm just pointing out why Levy would take the fee touted for NDombele and also that in real terms, we very rarely profit from player sales, despite Levy's reputation of wanting to profit from players. It was two different points I was making.

We frequently profit on players who perform well and/or improve after joining us, but not on the players who flop or are moved on due to fitness/injury issues - no surprises there.

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