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Nebby · Mar 6, 2020

dudu said:
Right, but whose fault was that? I agree we weren't good enough on said days to win said trophies but I believe the team was good enough to and I don't put the full blame on ENICs shoulder for us not being able to do so.

And I thought I'd done enough to convince Charlize Theron that I was her one true love. The restraining order she issued suggested that in reality I wasn't't quite in her league.

Gb160 · Mar 6, 2020

Nebby said:
And I thought I'd done enough to convince Charlize Theron that I was her one true love. The restraining order she issued suggested that in reality I wasn't't quite in her league.

Don't let that stop you, all the good love stories involve a restraining order of some kind mate, she's just testing your tenacity.

Nebby · Mar 6, 2020

Gb160 said:
Don't let that stop you, all the good love stories involve a restraining order of some kind mate, she's just testing your tenacity.

Her loss. Moving on. I see Angelina's flying solo these days.

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

dontcallme said:
The perfect example of shit info on the internet. Don't worry about if the source of info is reliable as long as what they write is ~~plausible~~ what you want to believe.

FYP

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

wrd said:
You're pretty much proving my point, I said just try and understand their frustration and you've ignored all of that, haven't acknowledged it and instead just tried to defend it. I never said there wasn't valid reasons to argue why the prices are how they are, I said to try and appreciate the fans frustrations with the situation. Being 3rd in the league still isn't the equivalent to being Madrid, Barca, United.

You can say fans wanted more money to spend on players and I literally said in what I wrote that until fans see those streams of income going onto pitch more so than what we have then there will be frustration, which makes me think you didn't read what I wrote and just straight into defence mode. We haven't started to see some transfers over the past 2 windows but it's understandable why fans still feel like it isn't enough due to not signing any players for 18 months and playing catch up. Also seeing the likes of Ndombele collecting 200k a week only stokes the fires further as he struggles to even be fit for an hour at the expense of the paying fans.

Talking about the possibility of TV money going tits up isn't a valid justification and from yeah the stadium might have made Kane believe we're going in the right direction but I'd equally argue if we had chosen to instead to focus our efforts on the pitch, that would have vindicated his decision. Add that to the murmurs that he's questioning our future, despite the wages we've got him on, despite the brand new stadium, I don't really see how bringing up Kane is a good argument.

As I said I fully understand the reasoning behind the ticket prices if it leads to those things. I'm asking for people on your side to acknowledge the other side of the argument whilst things such as getting players on top wages and signing top talents is still in the transitional phase.

I didn't read what he said, as I have him on ignore, but I can well imagine him wading in with his size 12s and basically missing every meaningful point in favour of attacking what he thinks you said, but probably didn't actually say at all.

buckley · Mar 6, 2020

I can't remember the exact wording but someone said " they had built Buckingham palace and furnished it from IKEA " sounds about right to me .

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

scat1620 said:
There's literally no point in trying to engage with Lighty at all, he's the ying to yankspurs' yang and simply cannot see, let alone acknowledge, anything beyond his own pre-set POV. Just rate his posts Funny or D'oh as appropriate, and save yourself the typing time.

Or put him on ignore and save yourself from even having to see the frothings. Hank at least (and I'm doing him a bit of a disservice putting it this way) can be funny and entertaining. He, at least, hasn't appointed himself the arbiter of what is and isn't morally acceptable.

EDIT: That last sounds like I'm accusing you of that, scat. Just to make clear, I'm not.

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

yido_number1 said:
Their money came from their owners. Our owners chose as a personal decision not to invest into the club.

People say Enic aren't milking the club for the profits and they are correct. However, if I'm not mistaken Enic purchased the club for under £100m. Since then I don't believe they have stumped up their own cash with our revenue paying for the training ground, land purchases and loans paying for the stadium which I believe are secured against the club.

All of these things have seen the club value rise to over a £billion depending on the speculation so Enic stand to make at least £900m from their £100m investment without bankrolling us as a club. Others will have a far better analysis than me but people seem to think Enic aren't making a load of money from this or aren't getting rich when that is exactly what they are doing.

I'm struggling to see the problem with that.

Isn't it better that we're self-sufficient? Isn't it better that we don't have to rely on money gained in questionable circumstances (Abramovich) or that's tainted with the blood of victims of political murder and slavery (Al-Nahyans) and that we don't have to contend with carrygin that label?

Isn't it better that we don't have to worry about financial restrictions like FFP because we get our money honestly through being financially well-run? That if the FA / UEFA / FIFA suddenly clamp down on sugar daddyism we can slap our account books down on their tables and tell them to bring it?

And if ENIC do sell the club and walk away with £900 million, so what? The club doesn't go with them. The club will still be there, with an amazing self-funding set up, facilities that are the envy of the world and no concerns about where the money's coming from.

What's your beef with that?

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

Nebby said:
And I thought I'd done enough to convince Charlize Theron that I was her one true love. The restraining order she issued suggested that in reality I wasn't't quite in her league.

Sorry, mate - I told her to do that. The constant rustling in the bushes was really putting us off our stroke.

carmeldevil · Mar 6, 2020

Anytime people say “I heard” I immediately ignore. No one heard from the direct source. (Not referring to ITKs obviously)

vegassd · Mar 6, 2020

yido_number1 said:
The players you quoted probably make you the same age as me or there abouts 38. It's worth noting that just before the premier league we were in the power group of teams in the country and had won cups consistently through the 50's, 60's 70's and 80's. We weren't always as shit as were from 93-2001. That is an 8 year period of recovery from Irving Scholar. We were so good initially we were given a a bigger share of the revenue than any club outside the top 6.

We've gone from winning trophies and having great players to being a property development/investment company.

It's a good point and I think anyone would be hard-pressed to argue against the idea that our trophy haul has dropped off a cliff. And I reckon you've pretty much nailed the crossover as well... just as the PL began.

The question I think it raises is would our previous approach have still worked in the modern game? It's something we are never going to know a complete answer to but I would make this point. During the 70s and 80s the following clubs won the FA cup; Chelsea, Arsenal, Leeds, Sunderland, Liverpool, West Ham, Southampton, United, Ipswich, Spurs, Everton, Coventry, Wimbledon. That's 13 clubs over 20 years - a right old spread!

Going from the 90s onwards you get the following list; Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal, United, Everton, Chelsea, Portsmouth, City, Wigan. That's now 9 clubs over 30 years. The PL money has definitely made it easier for the rich to stay rich which has in turn reduced the variety of cup winners.

That old "magic" of the FA cup where so many teams had a decent chance of winning has just gone. The rich clubs can afford a B and C team that are bloody good so the shock exits have massively reduced.

Obviously the transfer spending under ENIC has played a big factor in us having less chance than the financial powerhouse clubs - no denying it. But it's definitely not the only reason, and it's definitely not right to think that just because we won a bunch of stuff pre-PL that we are destined to win stuff post-PL. The whole environment has changed and it's a shame to see that it's a rich man's game these days.

markiespurs · Mar 6, 2020

daryl hannah said:
I think the relative success of Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Moura, Soldado, Lamela, Sessegnon and Aurier is subjective. One or two are still proving themselves.

Janssen Nkoudou Njie Llorente Holtby Fazio Stambouli Yedlin Trippier Davies Vorm

These are the signings that I worry about the board making. As we've heard from the ITKs on here, it's not the scouts that are the problem.

Very harsh on Trippier, Davies and Vorm

Vorm came in as a backup GK and did the job he was brought to do without complaint.

Tripper gave us good service and Davies continues to give us good service.

Whilst not glamour signings, all 3 were good buys and the type of players a good squad needs.

daryl hannah · Mar 6, 2020

markiespurs said:
Very harsh on Trippier, Davies and Vorm

Vorm came in as a backup GK and did the job he was brought to do without complaint.

Tripper gave us good service and Davies continues to give us good service.

Whilst not glamour signings, all 3 were good buys and the type of players a good squad needs.

(In your opinion).

Lighty64 · Mar 6, 2020

SirHarryHotspur said:
We did bring in back up for Harry , his name was Vincent Janssen, 27 goals in 34 games for AZ perhaps the coaching team didn't utilise him as they should, we could do with him now up front to hold the ball up.

he is doing well in Mexico and has a medal in his 1st season

vegassd · Mar 6, 2020

Just to lighten the mood - has anyone here actually read the very first post? Its quite something. I don’t mean to sound rude but I would say that’s a poster who has heavily drunk from the Levy Kool-aid!

rez9000 · Mar 6, 2020

vegassd said:
Just to lighten the mood - has anyone here actually read the very first post? Its quite something. I don’t mean to sound rude but I would say that’s a poster who has heavily drunk from the Levy Kool-aid!

And only drew a grand total of four negative ratings! Aaaah, halcyon days!

cliff jones · Mar 7, 2020

I don’t have a beef with being sustainably run, only with making record profits boosted by the highest ticket prices, while under investing in the squad.

The last two windows have however seen more ambition, and if this continues in the summer and beyond then those like me who don’t take to the Levy worship too easily will have no mandate to whinge.

Unless he appoints another mug after Jose, that is...

coys200 · Mar 7, 2020

rez9000 said:
I'm struggling to see the problem with that.

Isn't it better that we're self-sufficient? Isn't it better that we don't have to rely on money gained in questionable circumstances (Abramovich) or that's tainted with the blood of victims of political murder and slavery (Al-Nahyans) and that we don't have to contend with carrygin that label?

Isn't it better that we don't have to worry about financial restrictions like FFP because we get our money honestly through being financially well-run? That if the FA / UEFA / FIFA suddenly clamp down on sugar daddyism we can slap our account books down on their tables and tell them to bring it?

And if ENIC do sell the club and walk away with £900 million, so what? The club doesn't go with them. The club will still be there, with an amazing self-funding set up, facilities that are the envy of the world and no concerns about where the money's coming from.

What's your beef with that?

It just amazes me people can’t see this and the bigger picture. Will jose be a success in next year or so who knows my guess is no. But that’s not really the point, the point is we are now able to compete long term. We are just about to declare the biggest revenue in London. Who for a second could have dreamt that possible even 5 years ago. Unless something goes horribly wrong we are set up to be in the mix for the next 50-100 years. We have something no other club in Europe has which is a state of the art multipurpose stadium in one of the best cities in the world. It guarantees us an extra revenue stream as long as it’s in existence that’s a huge bonus over clubs like Chelsea and Arsenal. And if FFP really does kick in we will be one of the best placed clubs in Europe. We may not have on pitch success in next 3 months or 15 months but if we don’t by end of this decade I’d be very shocked. It’s just impossible to see a club with a revenue of £450m that’s probably gonna grow to £600m by end of decade just meandering along for another 10 years.

Shadydan · Mar 7, 2020

Most of these negative posts don't exist if we were playing well and are not on a losing streak, guess people just need somewhere to vent ?

Shadydan · Mar 7, 2020

yido_number1 said:
Their money came from their owners. Our owners chose as a personal decision not to invest into the club.

People say Enic aren't milking the club for the profits and they are correct. However, if I'm not mistaken Enic purchased the club for under £100m. Since then I don't believe they have stumped up their own cash with our revenue paying for the training ground, land purchases and loans paying for the stadium which I believe are secured against the club.

All of these things have seen the club value rise to over a £billion depending on the speculation so Enic stand to make at least £900m from their £100m investment without bankrolling us as a club. Others will have a far better analysis than me but people seem to think Enic aren't making a load of money from this or aren't getting rich when that is exactly what they are doing.

How much of their own money have FSG put towards Liverpool mate?

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