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Everlasting Seconds

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Tielemans is a good player but I think he's close to his ceiling. Ndombele could be a world beater. We've seen glimpses of it already. Lo Celso has massive talent too, could take a bit longer for him to get used to premier League though
One is a walking injury and the other won't be a CM for a long time. Hindsight, for what little it is worth, is very clear. We should have had Tielemans.
 

popstar7

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Few would have predicted Chelsea losing three of their last four coming off seven wins in their previous eight, but it happened. You'd certainly have expected them to take points from West Ham and Everton, but they got nothing. They can definitely be caught.

To be honest, even if the gap is still six points after we play them in a fortnight it's still far from over. I'd say it's more a mustn't-lose than a must-win game.
 

Thenewcat

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It’s wishful thinking and the same stuff was said when they won the league. Nailed on for top three.
It’s not downplaying them to say they lack depth. If they lost two of Ndidi, Vardy and Maddison for any length of time they will not stay where they are. If they keep everyone fit I agree top 3 is highly likely. Not being in Europe is a massive benefit as we have seen to our cost before - we were the best team in 2016-17 but Chelsea had no Europe and no injuries
 

buckley

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Leicester spending that 90 million pounds before the Maguire sale was just good management because if they had sold Maguire before purchasing those three players they would have been paying more than the 90 mill as the selling clubs would know they were loaded and ask a higher price . Clever housekeeping .
 

Everlasting Seconds

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It’s not downplaying them to say they lack depth. If they lost two of Ndidi, Vardy and Maddison for any length of time they will not stay where they are. If they keep everyone fit I agree top 3 is highly likely. Not being in Europe is a massive benefit as we have seen to our cost before - we were the best team in 2016-17 but Chelsea had no Europe and no injuries
I doubt that. Spurs fans always like to blame continental matches. As I remember it, at their various ceilings, Tottenham had the highest ceiling that year but Chelsea was the best team from start to finish. I mean a 7 points difference in the end means you were the best team. But Tottenham didn't really get fully going until maybe November, after already several matches of CL footie, and kept it going throughout the winter despite having completed the full group stage.
 

dagraham

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It’s not downplaying them to say they lack depth. If they lost two of Ndidi, Vardy and Maddison for any length of time they will not stay where they are. If they keep everyone fit I agree top 3 is highly likely. Not being in Europe is a massive benefit as we have seen to our cost before - we were the best team in 2016-17 but Chelsea had no Europe and no injuries

No, that’s fair enough. That fucker Vardy never seems to get injured though, nor lost his pace even though he’s over 30.

Could be the fact he wasn’t playing top level football until later than average that’s helped him in that regard.
 

dagraham

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Few would have predicted Chelsea losing three of their last four coming off seven wins in their previous eight, but it happened. You'd certainly have expected them to take points from West Ham and Everton, but they got nothing. They can definitely be caught.

To be honest, even if the gap is still six points after we play them in a fortnight it's still far from over. I'd say it's more a mustn't-lose than a must-win game.

What concerns me about Chelsea more than the points gap is the likelihood we will not strengthen in Jan whilst they do following the lifting of their transfer ban.
 
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Tielemans pisses me off. He should have been playing for Spurs, and even more so as we now know Ndombele and Lo Celso are not playing

The problem we will now have is that (unfortunately) our remit has changed.

I think, if we're being honest, we know that Poch wasn't necessarily the best judge of a player some times, and we have both missed out, signed, and shipped out some players that we will now wish we either had, or didn't have, under Mourinho.

For example: Dembele, who I doubt Mourinho would hold to the same fitness regime/standards as Poch etc.
 
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Leicester spending that 90 million pounds before the Maguire sale was just good management because if they had sold Maguire before purchasing those three players they would have been paying more than the 90 mill as the selling clubs would know they were loaded and ask a higher price . Clever housekeeping .

Known as "doing a Bale"
 

Ben1

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What concerns me about Chelsea more than the points gap is the likelihood we will not strengthen in Jan whilst they do following the lifting of their transfer ban.

Think its best to wait with the transfer window as we have no idea what will actually happen at either club. Similarly, the impact of a transfer is unpredictable, especially in January. Chelsea have weaknesses like us, are there players floating around in January that will genuinely make a difference?
 

Thenewcat

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I doubt that. Spurs fans always like to blame continental matches. As I remember it, at their various ceilings, Tottenham had the highest ceiling that year but Chelsea was the best team from start to finish. I mean a 7 points difference in the end means you were the best team. But Tottenham didn't really get fully going until maybe November, after already several matches of CL footie, and kept it going throughout the winter despite having completed the full group stage.

funny how every time a big team misses Europe they do better in the league isn’t it? Only time Liverpool finished above us for 9 years... weren’t in Europe. Only time Man U qualified for the CL under Moyes and Van Gaal... weren’t in Europe. Chelsea won by 7 points but didn’t have a single first team player miss more than 3 games with injury all season (only the wing backs didn’t play 35 and they weren’t first team until Conte changed his system) That doesn’t happen if you’re a) not in Europe and b) still very lucky. Spurs had loads of injuries - that difference was worth 7 points easily. You don’t luck your way to a +60 goal difference
 

Dr Know

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funny how every time a big team misses Europe they do better in the league isn’t it? Only time Liverpool finished above us for 9 years... weren’t in Europe. Only time Man U qualified for the CL under Moyes and Van Gaal... weren’t in Europe. Chelsea won by 7 points but didn’t have a single first team player miss more than 3 games with injury all season (only the wing backs didn’t play 35 and they weren’t first team until Conte changed his system) That doesn’t happen if you’re a) not in Europe and b) still very lucky. Spurs had loads of injuries - that difference was worth 7 points easily. You don’t luck your way to a +60 goal difference

Some people say that teams have been unlucky with injuries and maybe that is somewhat true. The question is why were (hopefully that will stop) our injuries mainly done in training though? I could never understand that
 

rossdapep

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Its 6 points. Its nothing.
...and if we do beat Wolves and then Chelsea we'll be at most 3 points behind them with potentially a better GD.

With over half a season left we've put our name back in the discussion and I think we'll be hard to beat again once José gets real time on the training ground.
 

SugarRay

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...and if we do beat Wolves and then Chelsea we'll be at most 3 points behind them with potentially a better GD.

With over half a season left we've put our name back in the discussion and I think we'll be hard to beat again once José gets real time on the training ground.

And perhaps one or two new faces in during January.

I honestly don’t see half of our side being long term options under him. He won’t think they’re good enough imo
 

rossdapep

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What concerns me about Chelsea more than the points gap is the likelihood we will not strengthen in Jan whilst they do following the lifting of their transfer ban.
But who's to say new signings won't disrupt team morale. Sometimes it's a bad idea.

Imagine if Lampard has said to all the young players that he believes in them and they will be given game time. Then they go sign players in these positions and piss off those who had been told otherwise.

Where will they make improvements anyway?

They can't sign a CF because that'll rattle Abraham.
They can't sign WFs because Hudson-Odoi has been told that's his role and Pulisic was a big money signing.
You can go through the team and make that argument right through the team.

If Lampard starts splashing the cash he's abandoning his philosophy about giving youth the chance and moulding a team this way. The players won't like that.
 

Oh Teddy Teddy

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More likely to catch City than Leicester, let’s be honest.
Pep has no defence at the moment, and that midfield is shaky with Fernandinho getting on.
 

fletch82

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Another thing to bear in mind is no European competition for Leicester and they still haven’t really spent the ridiculous Maguire money. Wouldn’t be surprised if they strengthen in Jan ( Chelsea too now their ban has been lifted).

I hope chelsea spend because that will piss all the youngsters that are playing well for them off a little disharmony at chelsea seems to go a long way
 

Shadydan

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But who's to say new signings won't disrupt team morale. Sometimes it's a bad idea.

Imagine if Lampard has said to all the young players that he believes in them and they will be given game time. Then they go sign players in these positions and piss off those who had been told otherwise.

Where will they make improvements anyway?

They can't sign a CF because that'll rattle Abraham.
They can't sign WFs because Hudson-Odoi has been told that's his role and Pulisic was a big money signing.
You can go through the team and make that argument right through the team.

If Lampard starts splashing the cash he's abandoning his philosophy about giving youth the chance and moulding a team this way. The players won't like that.

You won't ever persuade people that not signing players isn't always the best remedy.
 

SugarRay

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Only City and Liverpool score more than them in the league. Vardy and Madisson start easily for most teams. They also have Tielemans who is playing very well for them.

Elite is a massive statement though. I’d say there’s probably 4/5 elite attacks in world club football. Leicester are not one of them imo
Probably not even in the top 4/5 of the Prem
 

Shadydan

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Elite is a massive statement though. I’d say there’s probably 4/5 elite attacks in world club football. Leicester are not one of them imo
Probably not even in the top 4/5 of the Prem

They've scored more goals than Man City, kinda suggests that they are.
 
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