The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Sack him. Simple.

Shadydan said:

Read the preceding post...I answered the question as to why he shouldn't start right now, I'm not saying he's crap.

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ok

spursfan77 said:

Why judge a player on one game when he’s hardly played all year?

Players need runs in the team to get up to speed.

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It was only the second sentence that gave it away. Thought initially we were discussing Eriksen.

nasescoba1985 said:

Ok, so we are supposed to accept dire performances and turgid football for 7 months because of your deluded blind loyalty ? Im sorry, but nobody hates Poch here. We all think he’s done an excellent job and most us want him to leave with dignity, hence why most of us would rather Bayern come in for him rather than sack him and ruin his legacy. But there comestime when the manager needs to be replaced and the time is now. No away win since last Feb in the league. A horrendous run of form that stems back way before just this season. Constantly playing the wrong players and choosing the wrong selections. You are incredibly naive if you think we should be grateful for this just because we have got a few top 4 finishes down the years. Get your bloody head out the sand mate.

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if it weren’t for the extenuating circumstances (levy) you may have a point. As it stands you don’t. Happy the whiny minority like yourself mainly doesn’t attend the games (evidenced by ‘he’s magic’ still being sung)

It will be interesting of the crowd turn if we lose on Saturday. Always think its is a good barometer for Levy.

Kspur said:

if it weren’t for the extenuating circumstances (levy) you may have a point. As it stands you don’t. Happy the whiny minority like yourself mainly doesn’t attend the games (evidenced by ‘he’s magic’ still being sung)

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Yep and that will soon diminish once we struggle and mumble our way through Sheffield United. You are delusional mate and can’t see the bigger picture. 7 months of pure shit football and god awful form, yet you are criticising supporters for feeling concerned. Glad most of us are not like you, losers mentality that accepts failure. No wonder this club never win anything with supporters like yourself.

Kspur said:

if it weren’t for the extenuating circumstances (levy) you may have a point. As it stands you don’t. Happy the whiny minority like yourself mainly doesn’t attend the games (evidenced by ‘he’s magic’ still being sung)

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Poch really is a magician. Almost a year of shite and there’s still those who’d be happy to get relegated with him because of fond memories and Lucas scoring a hat trick

Id give him until the end of the season. Then its time to make the decision.
No point in thinking about sacking him now, unless the person you might have identified is available.
No other manager is going to turn this around in my opinion unless those not performing turn it around. I don't think those who are clearly not performing are capable of turning it around this season.
Some weeks ago have resigned myself to the frustration of what is on the horizon.
Mourinho and Rodgers shouldn't be even on the discussion agenda.

Worrying that the only things we're hearing are that things aren't harmonious behind the scenes, but also that there's no plan to change things.

People living on sentiment rather than reality is what is going to leave us in a hole. Just look at how much of a mess arsenal were after the drifted along in the latter stages of Wenger.

I'd love to Poch to have been our Wenger and be here for 20 years, but the results have to continue. Something wenger at least kept up for that lot.

luptic said:

Id give him until the end of the season. Then its time to make the decision.
No point in thinking about sacking him now, unless the person you might have identified is available.
No other manager is going to turn this around in my opinion unless those not performing turn it around. I don't think those who are clearly not performing are capable of turning it around this season.
Some weeks ago have resigned myself to the frustration of what is on the horizon.
Mourinho and Rodgers shouldn't be even on the discussion agenda.

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Rodgers might be a David brent like figure of fun, but he's an excellent coach. I wouldn't be upset if we made the change. Less exotic and fancy, but he'd do well here

I'm not saying pochy is perfect but who's out there that can re-invigorate us?

Nagelsmann (destinied for Bayern at some point)
Southgate (will want to crack at Euros)
Gallardo (my pick but why would he wanna leave River Plate where he led to two Copa Libertadores?)
Howe (overrated)
Allegri (only achieved success with Juve)

It doesn't make sense to dispense with Poch if his head is screwed on with us, he wouldn't have signed an extension in May if he wasn't committed.

BUT he does has his flaws and need to learn from them, namely


- insistence on playing out from the back regardless of the score
- insistence on new signings needing 6 months to bed in
- insistence on playing kane week in week out
- insistence & oblivious to eriksen’s underperformance
- insistence on only making substitution after 65min

danielneeds said:

Does it really seem strange that Levy feels loyalty to a man who stewarded the club to within a couple of sliding doors moments of winning the title twice while we were involved in the most difficult period of change the club will every face in completing the new stadium?

A man who has turned down offers from Real and others to stay loyal?

I get that people are hurting, and the football is dire at the moment, but I just hate the way Poch is being disrespected.

Maybe he has to go, for the food of both him and us, but some fans here don’t deserve good things because in a matter of months they’ve viciously turned on someone who’s given us years of some of the most consistent, entertaining and joyful football we’ve seen.

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Kspur said:

Absolutely completely agree with this I am utterly disgusted with the opinions of these so called fans. They are getting what they deserve with this miserable football.

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I fully understand and appreciate that Poch should be given respect for what he has done for this club. We have played some brilliant football over the past few years, the likes of which we haven't seen before and when the counter-press was in full flow, some of the best football we have ever seen at this club in all fairness, but that is where the praise ends abruptly imo. We have nothing to show for this period of delightful football, just memories.

We as fans of this club have become polarised on two ends of the spectrum. We have fans that are too pro Poch and believe he should be given time, yet are also seemingly happy for the constant influx of issues to keep rearing their head, time after time. Just like that old dog that can't be taught new tricks, the same is applicable to Poch. I don't know if that is due to his limitations as a tactical manager or his sheer arrogance of my way or no way approach that has got us to where we are now, but I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between.

Those fans you are both "disgusted with" and say "don't deserve good things" are rightly frustrated because they see what Poch has become, and imo what he has always been. I have always seen our group of players as being able to perform under just about anyone with any ability and even though it was a different era and manager, even Harry Redknapp was able to push us on to higher levels than we had been before, my point being that we have always had good players capable of achieving CL football.

I think it's quite ingenious to be calling out fans who have been more open-minded about Poch and perhaps the narrow-minded fans who adore Poch and think he should stay and turn it around need to be a bit more honest with themselves and see what Poch is and isn't.

As much as I think Poch has created his own legacy here, I for one feel his reign is ending past his due date. The wheels fell off some time ago and since then there have been just fleeting moments when we looked back to our best. Ultimately, it was Poch's limitations as a manager that failed him, not the players, not Levy and not us. If you like you can take aim at the players for failing to believe in Poch anymore, or you can take aim at Levy for not being more proactive in the transfer market. These are all valid points and should be addressed accordingly, however, once it became clear that Poch had no alternate approach or the ability to tweak the counter-press system to better reflect current players fitness, ability etc, then the fault lies at the feet of this man.

In the back of my mind I have always been mindful of what many have said about him in the past, yet always prepared to give him the benefit that he would learn how to move effectively from his aggressive counter-press into a system that works when the other doesn't. I remember playing West Ham at the last derby game at Upton Park and watched how they gave everyone the blueprint on how to beat a Pocchettino Spurs team and Poch didn't have an answer for it. That game for me was a turning point and I knew then that the golden era would end sooner rather than later.

nasescoba1985 said:

Yep and that will soon diminish once we struggle and mumble our way through Sheffield United. You are delusional mate and can’t see the bigger picture. 7 months of pure shit football and god awful form, yet you are criticising supporters for feeling concerned. Glad most of us are not like you, losers mentality that accepts failure. No wonder this club never win anything with supporters like yourself.

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Honestly, what a load of horseshit. Congrats, you made the ignore list

I think it’s a real shame that there’ll probably never be any videos/pictures of Poch holding up a trophy for us, but to some extent not winning something with the squad we had before City and Liverpool made the league hyper competitive is a pretty big failure

totty said:

I'm not saying pochy is perfect but who's out there that can re-invigorate us?

Nagelsmann (destinied for Bayern at some point)
Southgate (will want to crack at Euros)
Gallardo (my pick but why would he wanna leave River Plate where he led to two Copa Libertadores?)
Howe (overrated)
Allegri (only achieved success with Juve)

It doesn't make sense to dispense with Poch if his head is screwed on with us, he wouldn't have signed an extension in May if he wasn't committed.

BUT he does has his flaws and need to learn from them, namely


- insistence on playing out from the back regardless of the score
- insistence on new signings needing 6 months to bed in
- insistence on playing kane week in week out
- insistence & oblivious to eriksen’s underperformance
- insistence on only making substitution after 65min

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Allegri in '11 won scudetto with Milan. Yes, he had Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva, but when they were sold in '12, he got third having Balotelli as the main striker and Zapata-Yepes duo in the back. He's a bloody good coach.

totty said:

I'm not saying pochy is perfect but who's out there that can re-invigorate us?

Nagelsmann (destinied for Bayern at some point)
Southgate (will want to crack at Euros)
Gallardo (my pick but why would he wanna leave River Plate where he led to two Copa Libertadores?)
Howe (overrated)
Allegri (only achieved success with Juve)

It doesn't make sense to dispense with Poch if his head is screwed on with us, he wouldn't have signed an extension in May if he wasn't committed.

BUT he does has his flaws and need to learn from them, namely


- insistence on playing out from the back regardless of the score
- insistence on new signings needing 6 months to bed in
- insistence on playing kane week in week out
- insistence & oblivious to eriksen’s underperformance
- insistence on only making substitution after 65min

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he isnt learning that is the problem and these issues have been going on for months and months, no sign that he is going to change

“I tell you what happens to teams,” Jones said after the final. “They evolve and some guys will lose desire, some guys will lose fitness, some guys will get injuries and there’ll be young guys come through.
“So this team is finished now. There will be a new team made — we’ll make a new team for the Six Nations and that new team for the Six Nations will be the basis of going to the next World Cup.”

Theres a coach with a vision for his team.....feels like a major contrast to our current predicament.

onthetwo said:

“I tell you what happens to teams,” Jones said after the final. “They evolve and some guys will lose desire, some guys will lose fitness, some guys will get injuries and there’ll be young guys come through.
“So this team is finished now. There will be a new team made — we’ll make a new team for the Six Nations and that new team for the Six Nations will be the basis of going to the next World Cup.”

Theres a coach with a vision for his team.....feels like a major contrast to our current predicament.

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Same happened to Leicester after their PL winning season. Granted they lost Kante who played a major role in them winning it but their defence, which was relegation quality, completely went to shit after that season.

The difference is they were intelligent and proactive in the market. That summer where, for whatever reason, Poch continually turned down players offered to him, including the likes of Brooks, Maddison, etc, has absolutely fucked us.

luptic said:

Id give him until the end of the season. Then its time to make the decision.
No point in thinking about sacking him now, unless the person you might have identified is available.
No other manager is going to turn this around in my opinion unless those not performing turn it around. I don't think those who are clearly not performing are capable of turning it around this season.
Some weeks ago have resigned myself to the frustration of what is on the horizon.
Mourinho and Rodgers shouldn't be even on the discussion agenda.

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The players, for the most part, have lost belief in Poch and his system. It can be fixed if he goes now, but giving him the end of the season is very risky, given how terrible his footballing decisions have been lately and the fact that the players are not fully behind him, there is a reasonable suggestion that we could end up in the scrap of our lives. How ironic would that be, that the man credited with bringing us some of our best footballing years in recent memory, could also be the man that takes us down, playing some of our worst football? It probably won't happen, but we could easily be in a relegation fight.

Best to sort it now imo.

Kspur said:

Honestly, what a load of horseshit. Congrats, you made the ignore list

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Oh I’m so bothered. I have been ignored by Kspur ,Twat!!!!