The Mauricio Pochettino thread

fishhhandaricecake said:

@PeeLee @tooey please do explain why you disagree and think that either we’ve recruited better than Liverpool and/or that poch is a better manager than klopp...

Id love to hear that argument from you guys lol

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pffft said:

I think I read somewhere recently, though open to correction if I'm wrong, that a lot of manager contracts nowadays have a clause stating that termination payouts are only 6 months wages. A brief google search shows that in at least a couple of instances, clubs have inserted termination clauses significantly lower than the remaining length of contract might be- this article says that Keegan had a £2m clause at Newcastle and Moyes a single year's wages at Utd, although both are obviously a bit out of date:

Football manager contracts of employment – key clauses for clubs to consider – Part 1 - LawInSport

As the role of a football manager has become increasingly less stable – particularly at the highest level of the game - the terms of a football manager’s contract have assumed greater significance, given the issues that are likely to arise when club and manager part company. The purpose of this...

www.lawinsport.com

I'd be amazed if Poch's contract didn't have some form of termination clause simply because of how often managers get sacked- I would expect they all have some reduced-compensation clause nowadays.
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spursfan77 said:

For some reason I just don’t feel Levy is ready to pull the trigger yet. Yes it’s bad and has been for ages but it doesn’t feel like he’s going to be sacked. Not like it did will the last few managers anyway. Another month of no wins will have to push the chairman into action though.

I think he should be gone but it just doesn’t feel like it’s got toxic enough at games for it to actually happen.

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1. What he thinks has gone wrong.
2. How it can be fixed using a 3 point plan:
   1. Emergency - fixes to get us to January in reach of the top 4.
   2. Tactical - January window to sign a player for a critical position to get us top 4.
   3. Strategic - purchases for next summer to win us the league.

bat-chain said:

I understand the emotion behind wanting the change and indeed on Saturday I was furious with the tactics and team selection but on reflection I’m more unhappy with the players.

Look at Watford's 11 then look at ours, Pochettino couldn’t really feel he was sending out an inferior team because he wasn’t. We'd all take our group in a 5-3-2 over theirs.

Why doesn’t Sissoko track the goal scorer for instance he just stops , or Rose or Vertonghen do more to stop the cross, I struggle to see how Pochettino could anticipate their performance levels.

I agree he needs to change things, those things being in my opinion the players.

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dace said:

Would like to see us play some exciting, interesting, on the front football, again.

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:

So would everyone but it’s gonna be difficult while the team is lacking confidence and the home atmosphere is toxic. Just need to scrape a couple of wins to get back on track.

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fishhhandaricecake said:

As I thought you have no basis for your argument, as you were.

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Cochise said:

Pretty pointless comparison really though.

Firstly, just over 100m of your assessment was spent this window just gone. Then there are the transfers we made prior to Klopp coming in which is another 107m.

If you want to do a real comparison look at the backing both have had since Klopp was appointed (October 2015). That makes it Klopp 392.38m spent, Poch 184.5m spent.

Now take into account the quality of player. They have spent more than 30m on a player seven times, three of which were in excess of 50m. Meanwhile only Sissoko and Sanchez cost us more than 30m.

We have bought 11 players in the same time that they have bought 12 but for half the money. The average cost of a Spurs player from that time period is 16.77m, for Liverpool it's 32.69m.

Simply put, Klopp has been backed from the moment he stepped through the door, Poch has had to work with vastly inferior players. Would you rather one Salah or a GKN and Janssen?? Allisson or Sissoko and Aurier??

You are right that our recruitment is piss poor, but Klopp has had vastly superior players to work with since he came in. Our only decent window came in Summer 2015 when we got Alderweireld and Son, two first XI players. Since then, only Wanyama has made a real mark on the first team with Sanchez, Moura, Aurier and Sissoko looking better as squad options.

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Mr Pink said:

Are you seriously blaming the fans?

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DCSPUR said:

you are 100% correct. I also think this is telling.

When we beat Liverpool 4-1 at Wembley a couple of years ago this was their team and subs:

Liverpool (4-3-3) Mignolet; Gomez, Matip, Lovren, Moreno; Milner, Henderson, Can; Salah, Firmino, Coutinho.

From their starting X1 that day to their game against Man Utd this weekend the changes were: Alison, Matip, VVD, Robertson, Mane, Wijnaldum, Fabinho....with AA from bench to starter and Origi for the injured Salah. They also have Keita on the bench

Substitutes: Karius, Klavan, Alexander-Arnold, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Grujic, Solanke, Sturridge.

From that day to our last match against Watford we have lost Trippier from the starting X1 and Nkoudou and Fernando from the bench.
We have added Moura (started), Foyth and Ndombele

Tottenham Hotspur (3-3-2-2) Lloris; Alderweireld, Sanchez, Vertonghen; Trippier, Winks, Aurier; Eriksen, Alli; Son, Kane.
Substitutes: Davies, Rose, Dier, Nkoudou, Sissoko, Llorente.

The BsoL conveniently gloss over that.

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:

Not blaming anyone just stating facts. It’s difficult to play free flowing attacking football when every bad pass or miscontrol is greeted with a sigh or moan. The team are gonna be tentative. Yes it’s the teams responsibility to turn that atmosphere around but it’s gonna take a couple scrappy wins before we get close to what we all want to see.

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JUSTINSIGNAL said:

Not blaming anyone just stating facts. It’s difficult to play free flowing attacking football when every bad pass or miscontrol is greeted with a sigh or moan. The team are gonna be tentative. Yes it’s the teams responsibility to turn that atmosphere around but it’s gonna take a couple scrappy wins before we get close to what we all want to see.

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anydange said:

If I get told to do my job better at work I do it as a result of my peers noticing my lack of effort I would. There's barely any consequences for the modern footballer now. Only a fraction of them have any loyalty or actually care about what fans are saying.

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yiddopaul said:

It almost feels like the antics of the want-away players are very Chelsea-esque. (minimum effort, to get what they want)

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Japhet said:

That's Chelsea under Mourinho and Man Utd under.........erm................yes, Mourinho.

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theShiznit said:

That's pretty much how Chelsea got rid of their last 4/5 managers, and I'm sure the main reason why Lampard was happy to get Sideshow bob out of the club as he appeared to be a ring leader.

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theShiznit said:

Have you never seen someone at work get flustered or make mistakes when someone is applying pressure on them or standing over their shoulder watching them work?

Now magnify that by 30 thousand, throw in some boos, and groans when they don't do something really good, and then if they do something bad add a sprinkling of abuse on top.

It becomes very hard to do even the simple things let alone tricks, flicks, through balls and bits of flair.

Some players maybe able to play or even thrive under that pressure, but they are in the minority. And even if they do play well it almost always drives a wedge between the players and fans.

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