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Dougal said:
I don’t think that panic button is anywhere in Levy’s mind yet. It’s October and we’re mathematically still in a realistic position. Realistically is another story.
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Yes but that's not looking at it objectively, and Levy will be only too aware how poor we've been since February, and we're starting to look worse.

To just look at league position right now, is not telling the whole story, far from it.

I would completely agree had we not been so poor in the second half of last season, but it has to be taken into consideration if we're analysing accurately.
 
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Dougal said:
I don’t think that panic button is anywhere in Levy’s mind yet. It’s October and we’re mathematically still in a realistic position. Realistically is another story.
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agree, luckily everyone else bar the top 2 and Leicester/Chelsea look pretty shit so we are hanging in there but the style of play and squad unrest are not good signs.
 
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Doctor Dinkey said:
Yeah, it was pretty quiet and tense, although livened up towards the end. The problem was we fell behind really early, and our play was so dire in the first half it was hardly surprising the stadium was quiet. We’ve seen far too many shit performances there since moving in and it’s obviously beginning to grate with the crowd.
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Was Eriksen injured or poch dropped him and building for the future?
 
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Mixed messages from the manager.
Strange team selections.
Muddled tactics.
Up-and-down moods.

Ive aways been Poch in. But today was the first time I’ve actually thought he’s gone as far as he can. Certainly with the current squad.

He could start completely fresh and get us back to a challenging team, but the squad doesn’t need minor surgery it needs a full overhaul and that takes more than one transfer window. I’m not sure he has the time to do it because now we’re a CL team we need to remain a CL team to attract the players to take us to next level.
 
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Matty miller said:
It’s terrible over the last 8-9 months but for me we keep our nerve. Might be a really shit season, but we know poch is a top manager and will only learn from this experience.
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Joely said:
come on man have u been watching
Suppose the key for me is whether Poch still wants to be with us. Love what he has done with us over the 5 or so years but his heart needs to be in it. We are entering/entered a transitional phase in terms of the squad. Players who made up the foundation of our team over the last few years are no longer at the same level/ageing, want to leave etc. Alongside that, we've had periods of poor signings/no signings which have held us back somewhat and there is a lot of work to do. This isn't going to be fixed in one window and will take time so needs more of a long term view.

Just wonder whether a combination of Poch's own ambitions and feeling he has hit the wall under ENIC in terms of where he can take us has led to him not having his heart in going through that transitional phase/rebuild. That can naturally feed through to the squad and is detrimental.

Poch seems like the type of coach that works off positive energy/thinking and a spark. If that goes, think it takes a lot out of him as a manager. Recently just feels like he is a bit flat and going through the motions somewhat. Maybe the CL final was the highlight and he feels that was a one off kind of moment and he can't regularly have us challenging like that, I don't know.

Long term, don't think he is the pragmatic type to work in any given situation and needs everyone from top to bottom pulling in the same directions with the same aims. Of course Levy/ENIC want the club to be successful but I just doubt if it's as important as it is to other owners. The whole NFL tie up, new stadium etc is great news for the business as owners and yes even though the footballing side of things will benefit but enough to have us regularly challenging for the CL/League? Not convinced there is what I'd call a true burning desire/appetite for that at the very top.
Come on and get a grip - we have been shite for months and poch is surely not the One to change it !!!
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wadewill said:
Toby was available for £25m in the summer, the fact he is still here has fuck all to do with Levy
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Not entirely.

If the squad was strengthened at the right times maybe some of these players may have decided to stick with the project. Two windows without signing one player at a time that it was IMPERATIVE to do so and move forward I'm sure contributes to their decision making.
 
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Mr Pink said:
Yes but that's not looking at it objectively, and Levy will be only too aware how poor we've been since February, and we're starting to look worse.

To just look at league position right now, is not telling the whole story, far from it.

I would completely agree had we not been so poor in the second half of last season, but it has to be taken into consideration if we're analysing accurately.
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Objectively is to discount our performances and look at the figures. As bad as we think we are there are only 6 teams doing any better and 13 doing worse. Levy will play his usual poker game and let everyone around him have the meltdowns.
 
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Joely said:
Suppose the key for me is whether Poch still wants to be with us. Love what he has done with us over the 5 or so years but his heart needs to be in it. We are entering/entered a transitional phase in terms of the squad. Players who made up the foundation of our team over the last few years are no longer at the same level/ageing, want to leave etc. Alongside that, we've had periods of poor signings/no signings which have held us back somewhat and there is a lot of work to do. This isn't going to be fixed in one window and will take time so needs more of a long term view.

Just wonder whether a combination of Poch's own ambitions and feeling he has hit the wall under ENIC in terms of where he can take us has led to him not having his heart in going through that transitional phase/rebuild. That can naturally feed through to the squad and is detrimental.

Poch seems like the type of coach that works off positive energy/thinking and a spark. If that goes, think it takes a lot out of him as a manager. Recently just feels like he is a bit flat and going through the motions somewhat. Maybe the CL final was the highlight and he feels that was a one off kind of moment and he can't regularly have us challenging like that, I don't know.

Long term, don't think he is the pragmatic type to work in any given situation and needs everyone from top to bottom pulling in the same directions with the same aims. Of course Levy/ENIC want the club to be successful but I just doubt if it's as important as it is to other owners. The whole NFL tie up, new stadium etc is great news for the business as owners and yes even though the footballing side of things will benefit but enough to have us regularly challenging for the CL/League? Not convinced there is what I'd call a true burning desire/appetite for that at the very top.
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agree with most of this, but ENIC need to realise it’s football first. Without a successful football side the newness of the stadium will wear off and attendance (and so revenue) will start to fall. 2 games of NFL a year won’t generate enough if the football side is failing. Time to invest in the team whether that be wages or new faces.
 
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agree with most of this, but ENIC need to realise it’s football first. Without a successful football side the newness of the stadium will wear off and attendance (and so revenue) will start to fall. 2 games of NFL a year won’t generate enough if the football side is failing. Time to invest in the team whether that be wages or new faces.
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New faces for crying out loud!
 
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Trix said:
I can tell you all now it's gone way past what formation we play.
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Thing is poch has built up so much credit in the bank cant see levy moving him on until this summer earliest + his contract is huge so paying him to leave would cost a fortune. Buckle in for a long painful season chaps.
weve been battered by Bayern 7-2 dumped out of the CC but a league two team, lost at home to Newcastle and nearly lost at home to Watford, we’ve lost to Brighton, the squad morale is a mess, half the team want to leave, the football is uninspiring, 3 wins in the last 12... poch just has to go now.
 
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VancouverSpur said:
All this talk of rebuild and change means nothing if you keep reverting to the same situations that got you in this mess in the first place. There was no real radical departure in team selection or tactics.

We were the same mess today that we have been most of the season, I truly believe Poch wants a change and to be elsewhere and the players are done with him. It fucking pains me to say it but it’s time to make the change for the good of all involved.
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We don’t need a rebuild either we just need to recruit astutely. If toby or jan go and erisken + aurier we just need : RB, CB, AM/ST and a LB if rose goes then we will have an incredible team so 4-5 top players shouldn’t be two hard in one window or even across jan and summer but get poch out and allegri or Jose in and they can fine tune us.
 
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Not entirely.

If the squad was strengthened at the right times maybe some of these players may have decided to stick with the project.
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I severely doubt it.

By all accounts, TA has been planning to leave for a few seasons now (hence why we bought Sanchez for a lot of money), and, let's be honest, Eriksen is 28 in February and so it was always highly unlikely he was going to stay. It'll be he last opportunity to get a few years in at one of the big teams (whether he deserves it or not is another thing).

That leaves Rose, who by all accounts we are happy to let go, Aurier is the same, and Vertonghen it seems wants to stay but we're in no rush to extend.


So, to clarify, the ones who want to leave are doing so in a way that is mutually exclusive of anything else.
 
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Dougal said:
Objectively is to discount our performances and look at the figures. As bad as we think we are there are only 6 teams doing any better and 13 doing worse. Levy will play his usual poker game and let everyone around him have the meltdowns.
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The point is, if we continue are ppg over the last 6 months we'll be nowhere near the top end of the table. To only look at the table now whilst ignoring the context of how poor we've been for so long is classic burying the head in the sand.

There is no signs at all of us improving, only getting worse. The gap will inevitably widen between us and the sides at the top if things continue as they are.

I don't think Levy will let it continue for much longer.

A hammering by Liverpool will precipitate it I'd bet.
 
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I severely doubt it.

By all accounts, TA has been planning to leave for a few seasons now (hence why we bought Sanchez for a lot of money), and, let's be honest, Eriksen is 28 in February and so it was always highly unlikely he was going to stay. It'll be he last opportunity to get a few years in at one of the big teams (whether he deserves it or not is another thing).

That leaves Rose, who by all accounts we are happy to let go, Aurier is the same, and Vertonghen it seems wants to stay but we're in no rush to extend.


So, to clarify, the ones who want to leave are doing so in a way that is mutually exclusive of anything else.
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Spot on. It’s no big crisis, it’s a natural cycle of players leaving who’ve been at the club 5-6 years and that’s fine but if the squad isn’t behind the manager then that’s an issue.
 
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