The Mauricio Pochettino thread

thePessimist said:

In the words of Lana Del Rey, I’m a fuckin mess..

Oh, be my once in a lifetime
Lyin' on your chest in my party dress
I'm a fuckin' mess, but I
Oh, thanks for the high life
Baby, it's the best, passed the test and yes
Now I’m here with you, and I
Would like to think that you would stick around
You know that I’d just die to make you proud
The taste, the touch, the way we love
It all comes down to make the sound of our love song

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Genesis sums is up for me....
There's too many men, too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

dk-yid said:

There's too many men, too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

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Have you seen the genesis of an upturn in our performances?

Dougal said:

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Imagine if he could be bothered.

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I know - we all know there is a great player there and I was one of those who was thrilled at the end of the transfer window that he was still here.

HildoSpur said:

Have you seen the genesis of an upturn in our performances?

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I wish, mate. I wish...

Dougal said:

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Imagine if he could be bothered.

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Yup, if he could be bothered Lamela would be in double figures already.....




I jest, I am just really happy to see Lamela there.....

DelBoyN17 said:

My feelings on our current squad & the massive shake up needed, I just can’t see Poch getting the full support from upstairs to completely overhaul our squad that’s clearly come/coming to the end of its road .......

Lloris - French David James
Gazziniga - Decent No 2
Aurier - Not good enough (Headcase)
Toby - Passed his best & leaving
Vertonghen - On the decline, 1 more year at best
Sanchez - Colombian Chiriches, however Potential
Foyth - Potential
Davies - Not good enough
KWP - Not good enough
Rose - Passed his best & probably leaving
Sessegnon - Potential
Dier - Squad player
Winks - Quality
Sissoko - Good but really a squad player
N’Dombele - Potential
Wanyama - Finished & leaving
Skipp - Potential
Dele - Good
GLC - Unproven
Eriksen - Leaving
Son - Quality
Lamela - Squad player but not good enough
Moura - Good
Kane - Class
Parrott - Potential

So basically we need a new RB, another CB, another CM, an attacking AMF going forward, possibly another ST, to add real quality we’ll need to spend at least another £150/200 million minimum !!!

I just can’t see DL parting with that kind of money, my fear is we could end up selling HK for circa £150+ million & reinvesting that way, similar to Countinho at Liverpool, & Bale years back, hope I’m wrong but knowing how Levy works that’s the most likeliest outcome .......

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That's a bit of a bleek assessment of the squad imo mate.

Mr Pink said:

I was planning on getting over to a game before Xmas - fuck that now. Spending hundreds to watch the crap we're serving up at the moment lol. I know plenty others feeling the same way.

At the end of the day our football has been so poor for months.

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I know how you feel

I have a ST and it’s got to the point where i’ve not been enjoying going to matches. I used to feel some exicitment on match days but now it’s getting increasingly difficult to muster up any excitement or enthusiasm because of how bad we’ve been playing.

Last felt this way during the last days of AVB and we all know how that ended.

I was and still am in the camp that thinks he needs to leave, but I really am feeling guilty about it, and there's still a voice inside me that wants him to stay. On one hand, I would be behind the idea of him staying and trying to turn it around and start again. But its not like it was when he first came. There's not just a small group of 'bad apples' most of which aren't vital to the first team, rather it seems to be a big part of the team that brought him and us 'success' who are a part of the problem. Also, two years ago we could have sold Jan and Toby as a pair for not a million miles away of a hundred mill. Now we will likely watch them walk away for free. Eriksen the same. Rose we'd have got a nice fee for too. It would have been devastating at the time but at least we'd have been compensated. Also, does this group that are unhappy with Poch include Kane and Dele and others? We can't literally sell everyone including the very heartbeat of what we currently are. Thats not entirely his fault, granted, and it would be something to see us taking a stand against players doing something like this, but as I said, we cant lose the whole team, and even if we did, we won't be sufficiently compensated for it, unless we literally start selling Kane, Son and Dele and are left with the youth team. Also, maybe they have a point, sure there is no excuse for not giving their all on the pitch, but it seems likely Poch has more than played his part along the road, and his comments over the last few months/year have been very strange and have rightly alienated a lot of the fans and perhaps players too. I always thought he did lack a little on the tactical front, and was always hoping he would identify that and seek to improve, but if anything he seems to have regressed.

With that being said, our position isn't as bad as some might suggest. Its a bad start to the season for sure and the league title is already gone, in part thanks to Liverpool's outrageous start. But top four is certainly still on if we pull our socks up. So yes, if we decided to back him and he decided to take a step back and analyse himself and his approach, then i'd be all for that. I just fear where that might lead and wonder if its even possible. Still, the sadness for what is lost is already setting in, and I just hope beyond hope that there is a favourable outcome.

markiespurs said:

I know how you feel

I have a ST and it’s got to the point where i’ve not been enjoying going to matches. I used to feel some exicitment on match days but now it’s getting increasingly difficult to muster up any excitement or enthusiasm because of how bad we’ve been playing.

Last felt this way during the last days of AVB and we all know how that ended.

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I personally don’t feel it’s got to that stage yet. In amongst the appalling defending there has been some good attacking play. Sadly not against Brighton, but some of the Leicester game, the first half against Palace and the first 25 minutes against Bayern was football that ( Bale apart), we rarely served up during AVB’s time. Even when we were winning.

Might listen to Durham this evening. He's bound to see all this in a positive light.

SheffieldAndy said:

So Klopp has spent more money on players in his shorter term as manager there. Got you.

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Umm no.

Klopp has spent less money. A lot less. ~ £30m + Lo Celso less.

He has just deal with players of a higher value, as you'd expect at what is essentially a bigger club.

markiespurs said:

I know how you feel

I have a ST and it’s got to the point where i’ve not been enjoying going to matches. I used to feel some exicitment on match days but now it’s getting increasingly difficult to muster up any excitement or enthusiasm because of how bad we’ve been playing.

Last felt this way during the last days of AVB and we all know how that ended.

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Its the effort, or lack of, levels I find so bizarre.

No, world cup hangover this time, it's still very early in the season and even if the players are feeling the affects of Poch's training regime it shouldn't account for how we start games.

This has been going on for months and I say it every week, why the fuck do we start every game so slowly?

Even last season we'd only start to play a goal down sometimes. It just sets such a flat tempo for the game.

We set a flat tone from the outset, that's the one thing that happens consistently week in week out.

And we've just become a lethargic team, lacking verve and tempo with little or no movement ahead of the ball.

Waiting for something to happen instead of making it happen.

We need to get a side togther who have the appetite to come out all guns blazing, playing for one another and actually feeling like a proper team again.

We've totally lost that identity and its Poch's responsibility to get it back.

sausage said:

Umm no.

Klopp has spent less money. A lot less. ~ £30m + Lo Celso less.

He has just deal with players of a higher value, as you'd expect at what is essentially a bigger club.

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And achieved more of course.

sausage said:

Not to dampen your argument, but I'm pretty sure Poch has spent more than Klopp based on the numbers I've seen.

Klopp has bought just under £400m worth vs Poch's £320 ish, but Poch is net at around £90m vs Klopp's £60m.

Thats before Lo Celso's potential fee too, I think.

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Klopp (LP)
Players with fee: 13
Transfer expenditure: 442.750.000 €
Fee per player: 34.057.692 €
Chosen : 08.10.2015 - Today

MP:
Players with fee: 22
Transfer expenditure: 324.470.000 €
Fee per player: 14.748.636 €
Chosen : 27.05.2014 - Today

It doesn't dampen my argument but might hurt your feeling for the chairmen. Quality over Quantity.

Reference: Transfer Market. I am not sure we can add the link for the site here or not.

teenageYIDDO said:

didn't someone in here say Poch had a meeting scheduled with the Quatar PSG owners?

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I read that there is a leadership conference in Qatar and that Poch is among those who have been invited in what is an international football break on several continents.

sausage said:

Umm no.

Klopp has spent less money. A lot less. ~ £30m + Lo Celso less.

He has just deal with players of a higher value, as you'd expect at what is essentially a bigger club.

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You’re confusing net spend with what I’ve said. And gave me a wtf for your lack of understanding. No matter how you slant it, £400m is more than £320m.
He’s also been there less time which you’re not accounting for at all (as I said).

What you are saying is Klopp has recouped more money than we have, not that he has spent less. And that is solely due to Coutinho.

sausage said:

Umm no.

Klopp has spent less money. A lot less. ~ £30m + Lo Celso less.

He has just deal with players of a higher value, as you'd expect at what is essentially a bigger club.

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It did hurt your feeling right. i knew it. Now poch the problem but the ownership are never the issue. Hmmmm

Coco-1101 said:

Klopp (LP)
Players with fee: 13
Transfer expenditure: 442.750.000 €
Fee per player: 34.057.692 €
Chosen : 08.10.2015 - Today

MP:
Players with fee: 22
Transfer expenditure: 324.470.000 €
Fee per player: 14.748.636 €
Chosen : 27.05.2014 - Today

It doesn't dampen my argument but might hurt your feeling for the chairmen. Quality over Quantity.

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"Expenditure"

Coco-1101 said:

Agree. Also it is really boring comparing poch to pep and klopp who have high budgets.

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It's not a "high budget" when he has sold players to get that money. You can't put Liverpool's transfer activity in the same category as City, nor distance it from ours.

SheffieldAndy said:

You’re confusing net spend with what I’ve said. And gave me a wtf for your lack of understanding. No matter how you slant it, £400m is more than £320m.

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No, I've given you a "wtf" for completely twisting the point.

"Net spend" is transfer expenditure. If you sell a player for £60m and buy another for £70m, you haven't "spent" £70m - you've spent £10m.

sausage said:

"Expenditure"



It's not a "high budget" when he has sold players to get that money. You can't put Liverpool's transfer activity in the same category as City, nor distance it from ours.

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I have no idea it will be so hard for you to understand. When you spend less and buy more players that mean lower quality. likes of Llorente, nkoudu, njie, aurier e.t.c
When you spend more on few players that means high quality Likes of Van dyke, Allison, Mane, firmino, salah e.t.c

I am not talking about net spends and all other stuff. I am talking about how much budget is available for each of them.