What's new

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Status
Not open for further replies.

Ben1

Well-Known Member
Jun 22, 2015
2,130
8,411
4-4-2 Diamond is a standard formation in Italy. Lyon played it last season, so Ndombele knows how to play within it. It normally requires a lot from fullbacks (like wingbacks in 3-5-2), but not from midfielders - they don't need to cover that much space because they're close to almost anybody on the pitch.

It's a formation for controlling the centre and being unpredictable on the wings.

So... what's about our diamond that it requires so much from our midfielders? That they openly say they don't have the fitness to play it?

Either the implementation is wrong, or our fitness levels are just bad.
I would suggest that the amount of support our fullbacks constantly require doesn't help.
 

nailsy

SC Supporter
Jul 24, 2005
30,536
46,630
Did I miss the rumours about Poch losing the backing of the team?

Or have they only materialised since last nights game?

The rumours have been have been there for a while, but have been getting louder since the Colchester game. Three of our ITKs have mentioned things in recent weeks.

Pay me that much and I will run till I collapse without complaint.

How would someone collapsing help the team?

If Sissoko, who never stops running, says there's an issue with the demands the system places on the players it would be wise to listen to him.
 

leray

Well-Known Member
Jan 31, 2013
629
2,073
I would suggest that the amount of support our fullbacks constantly require doesn't help.

Yeah and it's both in attack and defence. In attack, we play very narrowly, so there must be some kind of support on the wings and it's midfielders.

In defence, we don't have a proper DM, and we play with two centre backs, so both lateral midfielders are required to do the work.
 

ljinko888

Well-Known Member
May 17, 2016
2,084
5,382
I think an understated factor is how comfy a lot of these players are with him.

And by that I mean he has a set of players who are allowed to play their way out of bad form whereas someone like Moura scores crucial goals yet still gets benched. The constant rotating of full backs in the last two years to give everyone playing time which leads to no one really nailing down the spot. His little pet project in Harry Winks who while is a good squad player has been promoted way too high for his grade. He is a lot closer to a Bournemouth level midfield player than a Bayern level midfield player. And that's no disrespect because Bournemouth have tidy little players. Winks is just another tidy little player. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's in part because a lot of the players I'm talking about were young boys in football terms when Poch picked them up and he's worked with them and developed them into highly regarded first team players. But the authority between manager and player should still be there. Maybe the mistake was not signing a big reputable older player to waltz in with a CV deserving of instant respect. That those young boys have become senior players not by accomplishments but just by the fact they have been around for all this time.
 

rossdapep

Well-Known Member
Aug 25, 2011
22,159
79,703
The rumours have been have been there for a while, but have been getting louder since the Colchester game. Three of our ITKs have mentioned things in recent weeks.



How would someone collapsing help the team?

If Sissoko, who never stops running, says there's an issue with the demands the system places on the players it would be wise to listen to him.
Exactly. Not too mention the fact that players keep getting injured ....repeatedly.

You have to listen to your body sometime
 

DelBoyN17

Well-Known Member
Jun 3, 2019
67
308
If you think back the the 2015/2016 season, we played a 4231 formation, always with a solid defensive midfielder to shield the back 4, that season it was Dier & Dembele, the season after, our best I can remember, we played Wanyama & Dembele, now I understand Dembele has gone & Wanyama is no longer the player he was, but why when our defence looks as it’s most vulnerable & aged, have we abandoned playing an outright defensive midfielder for 3 central midfielders who I’m my opinion aren’t specialist in their position, just good players who will do a solid job, HW, MS, & TN are all good box to box players, but non are a defensive midfielder nor attacking midfielders, just tells me we should go back to basics & play specialist players in their correct positions, against Brighton I’d like to see our midfield line up like this:

Dier N’Dombele
Lamela Dele Son
Kane
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,684
104,964
Watching us last night and of late, that has been my overwhelming impression for some time - that something is badly wrong with our conditioning. The entire team came to a standstill after 30 minutes, and stamina seems to be a real issue, like we just don't have the legs to compete. It has been that way since the beginning of last season, but that I put down to the World Cup etc, but to have it apparently even worse this season is extremely concerning.

I know they like to hold back their peak fitness so it builds up during the season, but it looks like they've got the timing of it badly wrong. Like a boxer who times his camp wrong and is undercooked come the fight. Because it's not one player, it's basically everyone. And I appreciably what MS is saying about the diamond system, but this has happened with many different formations.

The reason we don't press any more to me is simply because the players don't have that kind of energy in their legs.

Or they just don’t want to do it any more. See klopp’s last season in Dortmund for example.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,684
104,964
The rumours have been have been there for a while, but have been getting louder since the Colchester game. Three of our ITKs have mentioned things in recent weeks.



How would someone collapsing help the team?

If Sissoko, who never stops running, says there's an issue with the demands the system places on the players it would be wise to listen to him.

Just wondering if there’s been any murmurings on the other sites. I’m banned from COYS now so can’t check and pass on I’m afraid.
 

HW61

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2012
682
3,634
We demand "loyalty" when we're doing well and expect him to tell the best club in the world he's not interested in them but as soon as there's a rough patch he's not good enough and should be sacked.

Anyone calling for him to go is a complete hypocrite if they ever talk about player/manager loyalty again.

Yeah, things are bad. Yeah, Poch is getting it wrong. The players have contributed to the problems. Levy's contributed to the problems. But it feels you've all forgotten the 20+ years of a new manager every season and finishing 10th. As the song says, Poch DOES have that magic about him to bring the best out of a group of players and I'm confident it just needs time to refresh the team, integrate the new signings and settle the team again.
THANK YOU ??
 

TwanYid

Well-Known Member
Aug 1, 2013
1,223
3,484
Just wondering if there’s been any murmurings on the other sites. I’m banned from COYS now so can’t check and pass on I’m afraid.

I will hear NONE of this "I'm banned from COYS"-nonsense! How dare you even suggest such a preposterous occurrence! The mere thought of it! Would never happen in a million years! Utter balderdash!

Good day, sir!

I SAID "GOOD DAY, SIR!"
 

topper

Well-Known Member
Jan 27, 2008
3,806
16,254
Just wondering if there’s been any murmurings on the other sites. I’m banned from COYS now so can’t check and pass on I’m afraid.
As the normal whore is not doing his job here’s Ali Z from COYS earlier today ‘
Last night showed one thing , we still have loads of ability but we ARE not in it together.’
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,684
104,964
As the normal whore is not doing his job here’s Ali Z from COYS earlier today ‘
Last night showed one thing , we still have loads of ability but we ARE not in it together.’

Cheers. I used to pass quite a bit over too but will now have to rely on others.

For those thinking it’s only news from agents that we are getting, I’m fairly sure Ali z’s Info is from the club and not agents.
 

ardiles

Well-Known Member
Nov 24, 2006
13,228
40,308
A day has gone by now. Tempers have been calmed, heads are clearer and more SCers (as compared to 24 hrs ago) are now more willing to give Poch some leeway, provided he realises his mistakes and takes the necessary actions to rectify them.

Let’s start by beating the sh*t out of Brighton and get our season going from strength to strength from now on.
 

Coco-1101

Well-Known Member
Aug 5, 2018
587
995
Mate this is not something new, it's been going on for months. I suppose there is only so many times the players can say it discreetly to the manager, and nothing changes. Then things escalate because they are said in public. I've been posting for quite a while now how some of the players didn't like the set up and the roles they were being asked to do. It's not because of self entitlement, it's because its too demanding/difficult to do the way Poch wants it done.

You can't come out as a manager and say the players are not executing my instructions/following the game plan, when the truth is they are not physically able to do so.

Why he's being this stubborn about this system is beyond me and it's looking increasingly inevitable it will be his downfall.
Move them on and bring those who can do it.
 

Coco-1101

Well-Known Member
Aug 5, 2018
587
995
Do they all want out of the club, or just away from the manager? I would actually say it's a mixture of both tbh. Imo(slightly educated) the Belgians for instance would be happy to stay.
They are already aged. We need to replace them not make changes in the club for their wishes.
 

yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
41,967
71,390
A day has gone by now. Tempers have been calmed, heads are clearer and more SCers (as compared to 24 hrs ago) are now more willing to give Poch some leeway, provided he realises his mistakes and takes the necessary actions to rectify them.

Let’s start by beating the sh*t out of Brighton and get our season going from strength to strength from now on.
It depends on Brighton. If he persists with the diamond, more and more people will jump.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top