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Yeah, their teams are a shambles at the minute.yeah tell that to klopp and pep too.
Yeah, their teams are a shambles at the minute.yeah tell that to klopp and pep too.
Name a manager who will play as the players want to. Pep was criticized in first season for his style he didn't abandon it but he changed the players. Its manager jobs on the line not players. He did mention this rebuild which means this lots of prima donna had to be shifted this summer but the club failed to do so. ts not so hard to understand.Yeah, their teams are a shambles at the minute.
So if you don't have those players at yoir disposal adapt tactics and formation until you have the right personnelEveryone is about not playing DM. Poch always played dm when he had one. He tried crocked wanyama but he is finished. Dier is always injured. Whose fault it is to shift wanyama and bring in fit DM.
I agree we need to go back to some form of 3 at the back/4231 with Dier dropping back into the defence, like we did in 2016/17. We should remember also that we played 3 at the back when we beat Dortmund 3-0 in the CL knockouts last season, which was arguably our best performance of the entire tournament. We definitely have the personnel for it this season, and I think Vertonghen at LB would work. Gives the centre midfielders less running to do as wellIf Poch can turn this around then I’m all for that I just can’t see it. But IF he can then I wish he’d stop playing the fucking diamond and just play this team: (4-2-3-1/3-4-2-1 hybrid), it worked fine for ages why change it.
Lloris
KWP/Foyth/Aurier
Toby/Sanchez
Jan/Foyth
Rose/Davies
Dier!!!/Wanyama/Skipp (CDM)
Ndombele/Sissoko/Winks (CM)
Lucas/Lamela/Eriksen (RM)
Dele/Lo celso (CAM)
Son/Sessengon (LM)
Kane (ST)
Play like we did 2016-17 when we chased down Leicester or season after when we came 2nd to Chelsea it was 4-2-3-1/3-4-2-1 hybrid all season , players knew what they were doing and we dominated every game. Ndombele can be dembele and the rest of team apart from KWP is the same or upgraded, really don’t see why he moved away from this, it was working so well we just needed to add a few more players, since then things have spiralled downwards.
We clearly didn't prioritise signing a DM in the summer. Whose choice was that? Poch has clearly been set on the diamond for a while as a way of integrating Winks, Sissoko +1 into the same midfield. In reality he needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel, accept that the system doesn't work, and start dropping players for the greater good of the team. Sissoko is useful but I still think it's mental that he's now a guaranteed starter every week and Winks, despite some excellent performances, is now also apparently undroppable regardless of whether or not he suits the opposition.Everyone is about not playing DM. Poch always played dm when he had one. He tried crocked wanyama but he is finished. Dier is always injured. Whose fault it is to shift wanyama and bring in fit DM.
We clearly didn't prioritise signing a DM in the summer. Whose choice was that? Poch has clearly been set on the diamond for a while as a way of integrating Winks, Sissoko +1 into the same midfield. In reality he needs to stop trying to reinvent the wheel, accept that the system doesn't work, and start dropping players for the greater good of the team. Sissoko is useful but I still think it's mental that he's now a guaranteed starter every week and Winks, despite some excellent performances, is now also apparently undroppable regardless of whether or not he suits the opposition.
Poch has gone far too deep down the rabbit hole of systems and tactics. He thinks he needs to change things up constantly and adapt, but him and his management team quite simply aren't good enough at the side of the game - not a touch on Pep, Klopp or the top Italian managers anyway. Poch's forte has always been man management and inspiring full blooded commitment to a simple but effective style of play: (ie. high pressing off the ball, high line,patient possession play on the ball). He's definitely had his moments tactically but they're usually rather simple things like us pushing down Palace's left side or exploiting Azpilicueta's lack of height. But when Poch tries to go full Pep and be a tactical pioneer we end up with the shitshow of the past season. Nowadays our formations are often so fluid and everchanging I think the players don't know what they're meant to be doing half the time. We so often look tactically inferior to our opposition as Poch is so insistent on making whatever system he's set his heart on work, regardless of how bad it looks.
Poch is literally brilliant in every other area of management, but since the beginning tactics have always been his weak point and in my opinion are the reason we have not won a trophy under his tenure. We've so often come undone at the last hurdle because of some tactical mismatch or dodgy substitution in a big game (Son at wingback against Chelsea still haunts my nightmares). I think his need to prove himself in this domain, as well as this perceived imperative to constantly evolve, are a big part of what's killing us at the moment.
Or they just don’t want to do it any more. See klopp’s last season in Dortmund for example.
You can play the diamond formation any way you want as long as you stick to the pre-defined roles. Inside the formation is what makes or breaks it. The system defines the way you play and that is the difference that Sissoko is on about.4-4-2 Diamond is a standard formation in Italy. Lyon played it last season, so Ndombele knows how to play within it. It normally requires a lot from fullbacks (like wingbacks in 3-5-2), but not from midfielders - they don't need to cover that much space because they're close to almost anybody on the pitch.
It's a formation for controlling the centre and being unpredictable on the wings.
So... what's about our diamond that it requires so much from our midfielders? That they openly say they don't have the fitness to play it?
Either the implementation is wrong, or our fitness levels are just bad.
Name a manager who will play as the players want to. Pep was criticized in first season for his style he didn't abandon it but he changed the players. Its manager jobs on the line not players. He did mention this rebuild which means this lots of prima donna had to be shifted this summer but the club failed to do so. ts not so hard to understand.
Agree but I also think that our base of the diamond is a square peg in a round hole and doesn't provide the full backs protection should they go forward. That is not a dig at Winks but I just don't think that he suits that position.I would suggest that the amount of support our fullbacks constantly require doesn't help.
Name a manager who will play as the players want to. Pep was criticized in first season for his style he didn't abandon it but he changed the players. Its manager jobs on the line not players. He did mention this rebuild which means this lots of prima donna had to be shifted this summer but the club failed to do so. ts not so hard to understand.
Sounds about right. We haven’t entered crisis mode just yet but I do think we aren’t far away. We know that Levy won’t react emotionally like us fans do however I do think the next three or four games are critical. Anything less than 6 points from the next two will be terrible.
Matt Law in the Telegraph saying it’s business as usual and Poch has full backing of the club and Levy.
Sounds about right. We haven’t entered crisis mode just yet but I do think we aren’t far away. We know that Levy won’t react emotionally like us fans do however I do think the next three or four games are critical. Anything less than 6 points from the next two will be terrible.
I reckon if we end up losing the next two, and get a mauling at Liverpool, that’s when Levy will act.
I think Poch gets another 4 - 6 weeks or so