The Mauricio Pochettino thread

alamo · Oct 2, 2019

Shadydan said:
Comparing points totals across season is such a redundant argument, as are win/loss percentages can't believe people still use it, your argument reeks of desperation

Take out his best season stats and only look at the random remainder for an agenda-fitting argument and he isn't as comparably favourable to other managers as he otherwise would be.

CAN YOU NOT SEE??? :LOL:

Shadydan · Oct 2, 2019

hero said:
Tielemans has a better statistics, than Eriksen or Rabio this season. Tielemans is better physically than Winks and better technically then Sissoko. I watched Tielemans this season, his is not great, but he is better than mentioned players. And I am talking about Poch's preferences, which are weird: prefer Rabio over Tielemans, prefer Lamela over Moura, prefer Winks over Dier as DM. Isn't is weird?

He's also, slower than than them, doesn't press and switches off defensively.

Not the answer, move on.

pablo73 · Oct 2, 2019

freeeki said:
In terms of points finishes, take out the one anomaly where we achieved 86 points and Poch's end-of-season points totals aren't much better than AVB's or Harry's.

Our league finishes, while certainly a progression, are in line with the trajectory we were on anyway and have now declined for three successive years.

Poch's win percentage is fractionally lower than AVB's, and only a few percentage points higher than Redknapp or Sherwood.

And Poch has been blessed with a far, far superior squad to Harry, AVB or Sherwood.

Pochettino is not the saviour you all think he is. He's a charlatan who's run out of excuse cards to play.

I agree that it's time to make a change but that is just downright insulting and clearly untrue

kaz Hirai · Oct 2, 2019

freeeki said:
In terms of points finishes, take out the one anomaly where we achieved 86 points and Poch's end-of-season points totals aren't much better than AVB's or Harry's.

Our league finishes, while certainly a progression, are in line with the trajectory we were on anyway and have now declined for three successive years.

Poch's win percentage is fractionally lower than AVB's, and only a few percentage points higher than Redknapp or Sherwood.

And Poch has been blessed with a far, far superior squad to Harry, AVB or Sherwood.

Pochettino is not the saviour you all think he is. He's a charlatan who's run out of excuse cards to play.

I enjoy your history rewrites, they're are most amusing. Constantly banging the drum about him inheriting this mystical great squad that should be challenging anyway.
Lol very funny, very well written material stuff

Here's what he actually had

Hugo / brad

Kaboul
Vertonghen
Dawson
Fryers

Kyle naughton
Walker
Rose
Ekotto
Chriches

Holtby
Capoue
Mason
Bentelab
Paulinho
Dembele
Tom Carrol

Lennon
Eriksen
Lamela
Soldado
Adebayor
Kane
Chadli

A bunch of average players, alot of shit players, and unproven kids

The only reason you're able to bitch about Tottenham Hotspur getting thrashed in the champions League by the champions of Germany is because of the coach Improving existing players, buying good players and creating a team that could compete with the best in the world regularly for the first time in the club's history, and finishing in the top 3 regularly

Shadydan · Oct 2, 2019

alamo said:
Take out his best season stats and only look at the random remainder for an agenda-fitting argument and he isn't as comparably favourable to other managers as he otherwise would be.

CAN YOU NOT SEE???

He should be a politician

Hugh DeMann · Oct 2, 2019

KILLA_SIN said:
Agree we are regressing but if you are saying that is only down to Poch I disagree, in the same time we have been regressing in the league we have also regressed with the squad. Too many other factors to consider also, Injuries, Stadium, Key Players not replaced etc. It doesn't sit right with me to say this is solely down to him.

Good point. I think everyone needs to remember that the turmoil of the last 3 years will affect any team and can't be blamed on Poch.

However, I worry that the narrative is already being set that the squad is disjointed and split. This can create a real vicious circle. Poch is really going to have to pull something out of the bag in the next 2 or 3 games otherwise the pressure will be too much.

Hoddle&Waddle · Oct 2, 2019

Drink!Drink! said:
I don't what happened behind the scenes. I don't know how this will all turn out.

Barney Ronay in the Guardian wrote that we lost 7-2 in the style of late Wenger-era goons. Ouch! It was something that had crossed my mind, it was the kind of meltdown against elite opposition that I used to so enjoy watching happen to them. I just hope this is the one big sobering reality check for everyone at our club. Refocus. No complacency. Some proper discipline and focus from both coaching and playing staff. Levy to plan now to take any action needed in the transfer window that will be completed at the beginning of January not bloody midnight on the 31st.

A stubborn manager persisting with a system that doesn't work, does sound familiar.

wrd · Oct 2, 2019

Stamford said:
I'm yet to see a valid argument on how he can possibly turn this around

- Eat some humble pie and admit that he is wrong about the formation
- Realise that he can't play all his favourites if it means that we don't function well as a team, if he wants Son and Kane in the same team then he needs to play Son out wide with another winger. If he wants Son central then he either needs to drop Kane or drop him into a number 10 role which means losing one of his favourites in Winks and Sissoko. If he wants Ndombele in the team in an attacking role then he has to drop Sissoko or Winks so we have a defensive screen. Again the main point is that he can't play all his favourites at one time, he needs to make better decisions.
- Realise he needs to drop his favourites when they aren't playing well
- Make better decisions with substitutions, don't sacrifice structure so that you can keep your favourites on
- Integrate Sessegnon and Lo Celso
- If by doing those things he gets to January then buy a DM, RB and possibly a LB depending on Sessegnon
- Remove the players who don't want to be here in January.

And as a bonus if he wants to sweeten us a little bit use that bloody Argentine connection to get Dybala over the line :cautious:

Coco-1101 · Oct 2, 2019

Stamford said:
That it's a one off. His team hasn't played lie we have for 18 months and he certainly doesn't persist with a system that doesn't work

How many we have lost against colchester?

Agree with a bold part as he buys the team for the system that he wants. Which is unfortunately not possible in THFC. City had won things before him too. Did we win anything this century before poch bar one league cup. We played ONCE in CL.

Primativ · Oct 2, 2019

Shadydan said:
The thing is what is long term...5/6/7 years? Things like that rarely work nowadays in the modern era, we have a squad now which is primed to win things, we have the stadium, revenue is increasing, we are paying higher wages than before so we are seen as a big club who should be competing therefore I think he next move is gonna be a short term fix.

Plus how long is Kane gonna wait for he's entering his peak years and won't be here much longer if we don't pick up any trophies or show any signs of progression.

Spot on my man. I’m not saying Mourinho is my top choice but he would love to work with the experienced players we have at the club.

He’s get the best out of them again. He would make us tactically smart and he would likely win us trophies.

Kane et al as much as they say they love Poch, would quickly forget him when they are lifting trophies under a new manager.

Coco-1101 · Oct 2, 2019

ValenciaYid said:
I still havent got over Levy dropping Lucas in the CL final....

IF we had lost with lucas then the name in your comment would have been Kane instead of Lucas. Don't hide just come out in full flow like others with your biased/agenda.

dagraham · Oct 2, 2019

cookiemonster said:
To those who say drop the unhappy players and field the youth ie Skipp KWP Tanganga

We will defintely dropped out of top 4 because they are not good enough

They only way is to get the experienced players to start playing at their best again

And if it entail getting a new manager in..so be it

Yep. I still don’t want Poch to go ( partly because I still think he deserves a chance to turn it around and partly because I trust the club to get a top tier manager in).

However, if the only way we can improve is to bin half of our squad then I don’t hold out much hope. There is simply not the level of talent waiting in the wings from what I have seen. I really don’t see anything in Skipp. I’m sure he’d bust a gut, but he’d have got roasted out there last night.

freeeki · Oct 2, 2019

The foul stench of the acceptance of mediocrity is strong in here today

freeeki · Oct 2, 2019

kaz Hirai said:
I enjoy your history rewrites, they're are most amusing. Constantly banging the drum about him inheriting this mystical great squad that should be challenging anyway.
Lol very funny, very well written material stuff

Here's what he actually had

Hugo / brad

Kaboul
Vertonghen
Dawson
Fryers

Kyle naughton
Walker
Rose
Ekotto
Chriches

Holtby
Capoue
Mason
Bentelab
Paulinho
Dembele
Tom Carrol

Lennon
Eriksen
Lamela
Soldado
Adebayor
Kane
Chadli

A bunch of average players, alot of shit players, and unproven kids

The only reason you're able to bitch about Tottenham Hotspur getting thrashed in the champions League by the champions of Germany is because of the coach Improving existing players, buying good players and creating a team that could compete with the best in the world regularly for the first time in the club's history, and finishing in the top 3 regularly

Wait so which one is it?

Has he invested heavily and built a great squad, or has he massively overachieved with no investment?

I can't keep up.

Coco-1101 · Oct 2, 2019

freeeki said:
The foul stench of the acceptance of mediocrity is strong in here today

Did you popped up after 2014. Because before that we were drenched in it for ages.

hero · Oct 2, 2019

dagraham said:
Yep. I still don’t want Poch to go ( partly because I still think he deserves a chance to turn it around and partly because I trust the club to get a top tier manager in).

However, if the only way we can improve is to bin half of our squad then I don’t hold out much hope. There is simply not the level of talent waiting in the wings from what I have seen. I really don’t see anything in Skipp. I’m sure he’d bust a gut, but he’d have got roasted out there last night.

Then why Skipp was not allowed to go on loan to Fullham this summer? I as well I doubt he is a special talent, but he can continue his development if he is granted a game time.

Cambridge Spur · Oct 2, 2019

I’ve said before I think he should go however I feel that we’re in a really tricky situation and Levy has some very big decisions to make. Poch has constantly flirted with the idea of leaving and has been touted for numerous jobs. Does Levy wait it out and hope for the best, hope for another club to come in for him or bite the bullet? My worry is the longer this goes on the worse it will get.

Ossie'sAardvark · Oct 2, 2019

freeeki said:
The foul stench of the acceptance of mediocrity is strong in here today

Weve not looked like winners for a while now. I think its understandable mate.

dagraham · Oct 2, 2019

hero said:
Then why Skipp was not allowed to go on loan to Fullham this summer? I as well I doubt he is a special talent, but he can continue his development if he is granted a game time.

Yeah don’t disagree. KWP should have been loaned out too.

Matthew · Oct 2, 2019

Shadydan said:
Lucas just signed a contract, can't be him.

The other 6 though I think you're right.

wasn't there rumblings poch pissed off the majority of the squad putting kane straight back in the squad after lucas's heroics in the semi? or did i imagine it?

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