The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[hero]

So when Lo Celso comes back in a couple of weeks he won't get any play time, great strategy.

Also he isn't a replacement for Eriksen as he's not a no10

Not buying Tielemans or another CM is the least of our problems.

We do not need to replace like-for-like. It is life. Players have their unique style of playing. When Barcelona lost Xavi they could not find like-for-like player. You are absolutely right, another CM is not an issue today, but it was an issue. And please could you explain how my post collocates with the idea not to giving Lo Celso a game-time. Is it me who needs a couple of month in order to decide that a player is fit enough?

 

[Graysonti]

The general consensus among the Poch In camp seems to be that he was good in the past and can be good again.

I would counter that we need to start seriously considering the possibility that when Poch arrived here, he inherited some incredible players wanting to prove themselves to a new manager as well as bringing through excellent young prospects such as Alli and Kane wanting to do the same. It's not that he was a great manager who suddenly went bad, it's that he's a mediocre manager who successfully hid behind a group of fired-up young players.

Now those players are five years older, sick of not winning things, sick of the crap tactics and sick of the fitness regimes which leave us looking knackered most of the time, the manager no longer has them on side, and his inadequacies are laid bare for the world to see.

This is a possibility

 

[hero]

Frankly speaking I read this article The Tactical Principles of Pochettino’s Title Challenging Tottenham Hotspur several times in the past and I can't come across how we lost such a philosophy and a playing style.

 

[dondo]

Lucas just signed a contract, can't be him.

The other 6 though I think you're right.

Didn’t know about the new contract.
Pure guess regarding Lucas as I would be unhappy if I was him with his lack of game time

 

[Drink!Drink!]

I don't what happened behind the scenes. I don't know how this will all turn out.

Barney Ronay in the Guardian wrote that we lost 7-2 in the style of late Wenger-era goons. Ouch! It was something that had crossed my mind, it was the kind of meltdown against elite opposition that I used to so enjoy watching happen to them. I just hope this is the one big sobering reality check for everyone at our club. Refocus. No complacency. Some proper discipline and focus from both coaching and playing staff. Levy to plan now to take any action needed in the transfer window that will be completed at the beginning of January not bloody midnight on the 31st.

 

[rossdapep]

I think Mou is just an easy choice because we think it's the right answer to the question. But he lost his magic a long time ago. If he cant make it work at United no chance it will work here.

?? How So?

He won the Europa cup in his first season, he sacrificed the league to win the trophy knowing that a CL position was available too.

Second season he had that poor United side fighting with City for the title despite problems with players and egos.

The summer was a mess as he clearly wanted the egos out but Woodward refused to sell and buy the ones he wanted.

I bet if they'd have sold Pogba and Martial and brought in Toby and others Mourinho wanted they'd have challenged again.

He made mistakes there, no doubt about it but I don't think that shows he lost his magic. He's still won trophies and competed at every club he's been at.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

In terms of points finishes, take out the one anomaly where we achieved 86 points and Poch's end-of-season points totals aren't much better than AVB's or Harry's.

Our league finishes, while certainly a progression, are in line with the trajectory we were on anyway and have now declined for three successive years.

Poch's win percentage is fractionally lower than AVB's, and only a few percentage points higher than Redknapp or Sherwood.

And Poch has been blessed with a far, far superior squad to Harry, AVB or Sherwood.

Pochettino is not the saviour you all think he is. He's a charlatan who's run out of excuse cards to play.

Those managers were in charge at different times with different competition levels, Poch has been here at a far more competitive time than AVB or Redknapp while a couple of teams have considerably invested more in their squads in the same time frame than we have. I dont agree he has made excuses he's always rolled up his sleeves while getting less backing than has rivals. Calling him a charlatan is poor form, he deserves a bit more respect. Anyway its a shit morning after a shit night so I'm going to go do some work to get my mind off it.

 

[Shadydan]

Didn’t know about the new contract.
Pure guess regarding Lucas as I would be unhappy if I was him with his lack of game time

You'd think he's be pissed off at not starting the CL final if anything but he signed since them, think he's happy at the club.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

The longer he stays the worse things could get.
He said in one press conference that the January window will be the one where things will be sorted out.
There's no chance that happens, none at all.
It's the most difficult window there is to try and get a decent player in.
Eriksen supposedly will refuse to leave in that window, preferring a freebie move in the summer.
Who's to say others aren't thinking the same?
And who exactly are we going to make moves to sign, when we could be languishing mid-table and out of all competitions?

 

[Shadydan]

We do not need to replace like-for-like. It is life. Players have their unique style of playing. When Barcelona lost Xavi they could not find like-for-like player. You are absolutely right, another CM is not an issue today, but it was an issue. And please could you explain how my post collocates with the idea not to giving Lo Celso a game-time. Is it me who needs a couple of month in order to decide that a player is fit enough?

CM isn't an issue, we bought two midfielders in the summer.

Also you said that Tielemans would be playing as Lo Celso is injured so what happens when Lo Celso comes back...we have a player who is not getting any game time because we are overloaded in that area so what's the point of spending money on him in that case?

It really isn't an issue, plus have you seen Tielemans this season, he hasn't been great...

 

[Shadydan]

In terms of points finishes, take out the one anomaly where we achieved 86 points and Poch's end-of-season points totals aren't much better than AVB's or Harry's.

Our league finishes, while certainly a progression, are in line with the trajectory we were on anyway and have now declined for three successive years.

Poch's win percentage is fractionally lower than AVB's, and only a few percentage points higher than Redknapp or Sherwood.

And Poch has been blessed with a far, far superior squad to Harry, AVB or Sherwood.

Pochettino is not the saviour you all think he is. He's a charlatan who's run out of excuse cards to play.

Comparing points totals across season is such a redundant argument, as are win/loss percentages can't believe people still use it, your argument reeks of desperation

 

[Stamford]

I'm yet to see a valid argument on how he can possibly turn this around

 

[freeeki]

Comparing points totals across season is such a redundant argument, as are win/loss percentages can't believe people still use it, your argument reeks of desperation

Claiming he's the chosen one who will reverse the shit fortunes of his own creation based on zero evidence except "we think he's quite good" and wearily repeating the word "overachieved" is slightly more tragic, love.

 

[Coco-1101]

Theyd certainly had beaten Colchester....

But couldn't win against Wigan.

 

[Shadydan]

Claiming he's the chosen one who will reverse the shit fortunes of his own creation based on zero evidence except "we think he's quite good" and wearily repeating the word "overachieved" is slightly more tragic, love.

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

 

[freeeki]

I have absolutely no idea what you're on about.

Hahahahahahah

 

[Coco-1101]

Against Colchester? I think his current squad should be good enough

Yep. pep lost to wigan 1-0. What is your opinion?

 

[hero]

CM isn't an issue, we bought two midfielders in the summer.

Also you said that Tielemans would be playing as Lo Celso is injured so what happens when Lo Celso comes back...we have a player who is not getting any game time because we are overloaded in that area so what's the point of spending money on him in that case?

It really isn't an issue, plus have you seen Tielemans this season, he hasn't been great...

Tielemans has a better statistics, than Eriksen or Rabio this season. Tielemans is better physically than Winks and better technically then Sissoko. I watched Tielemans this season, his is not great, but he is better than mentioned players. And I am talking about Poch's preferences, which are weird: prefer Rabio over Tielemans, prefer Lamela over Moura, prefer Winks over Dier as DM. Isn't is weird?

 

[Shadydan]

Hahahahahahah

Just going to assume...

 

[Stamford]

Yep. pep lost to wigan 1-0. What is your opinion?

That it's a one off. His team hasn't played lie we have for 18 months and he certainly doesn't persist with a system that doesn't work