Shadydan
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He said he may have left if we won the CL, that's not the same as saying that he wants to leave, if he wanted to leave he he would have left - no need to be over dramatic.
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He said he may have left if we won the CL, that's not the same as saying that he wants to leave, if he wanted to leave he he would have left - no need to be over dramatic.
I just think that what happened last season came about after a set of very unfavourable circumstances, and I have a hard time drawing a line from now and back to the start of 2019 (or rather finding the first game we didn't win in 2019, and conveniently starting the count from there). The players got a break, preseason and hopefully a reset going into this season, as well as us adding two players that should help fix our glaring issues in midfield from last year, so I'm more of a glass half full kinda guy at the moment.
Totally see why others may be more concerned though.
Coco-1101
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And how much it improved since poch came in? As levy remains the same since 2001.
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If you break it down 5 years at a time, the club has improved immensely since 2001. Even before Poch arrived.
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Its not that dramatic though. Why on the eve of one of our biggest games is our manager coming out with that and what effect does that have on the staff. It's honestly bizarre and not positive in anyway.
Gb160
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This discussion has nothing to do with the thread, there's plenty of Levy/Enic ones to carry this on in.
Im just struggling to see how Levy can be at fault for our poor form in the last few months, or Poch possibly losing the dressing room?
Can u explain that?
Coco-1101
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How do you know for a fact that he lost the dressing room? Only Facts.
I think in fairness these three matches were the metaphorical spark that ignited the frustration of the past two seasons. Starting a new season in our new home with a full pre-season under our belt and some exciting new signings was supposed to represent a definitive break from our league form of last season. However alarmingly the three matches so far feel more like a continuation.
There are mitigating circumstances of course. It will take the new signings time to bed in and none of them have been fully fit for all three matches. We've also had Dele's injury to contend with and Eriksen's contract situation is proving a major distraction. We may also have underestimated the transitional period to get properly comfortable with the new stadium.
However in other areas Pochettino is really not helping himself. From the outside the way he has handled the Vertonghen situation seems bizarre. In interviews and press conferences he has come across as moody, surly. His general demeanor is not coming across as that of someone who takes seriously the value of positive energy - which we know he does. He does not seem on the same page as the club or even the players. If we were playing well despite all that, then fine. But we're not.
Gb160
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Where did I say I know for a fact?
You know what a possibility is dont u? We can discuss possibilities....unless you're in complete denial.
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I think you can say that the squad Poch had last season was not sufficient to challenge of multiple fronts, as was seen by the way we gassed towards the end of it. Whether that is by Poch's design or Levy's fault for not getting the players Poch wanted is open to interpretation.
This season, it's clear that Poch wanted to rebuild, and he wanted some of the older faces who perhaps didn't want to start a new cycle of intense work here gone. A lot of them are still here, and maybe that's where the tension is. Poch wants a young, evangelical squad, ready to run through walls for him and what he's currently got is one with a lot of older pros who are more concerned about their careers and desires than the group's.
Gb160
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I agree, but your basing it on it either being Poch, or Levy's fault.
If the players are refusing a move there's fuck all either of them can do really.
Shadydan
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I don't tend to over-analyse Poch's comments in front of the media because he speaks a load of guff the majority of time, he tells them lies and speaks in riddles, hard to take him seriously or his comments as gospel. Mentioned this before but he normally comes across better when he does personal interviews as you get a much better sense of his mind state and well being.
Two weeks ago he was absolutely beaming before the Villa match, now all of a sudden since we lost people are concerned by his comments, people just look into stuff that aren't there and end up whipping themselves into a frenzy.
danielneeds
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That's where the strategy comes in, though. You can force players out. Or in the case of Eriksen, set a realistic price to get the deal done early, so that it doesn't cast a shadow over everything.
To be honest, I don't think the blame lies with anyone really. There's been mistakes and misteps from quite a few parties.
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I wouldn't say he's lost the dressing room, but things are far from harmonious. I don't know whether it's a build up of pressure, expectation, frustration or a combination of all 3 but he is not the same motivational maestro the players would have ran through walls for 12 months ago.
I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if Zidane got the push tomorrow.
I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if Zidane got the push tomorrow.
Gb160
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Thats a much more reasonable conclusion to come to....without knowing the intricate inner workings of everything that goes on its all complete guesswork anyway, as is appointing 'blame' .
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I don’t think any of this will be settled until we play Arsenal on Sunday and Poch breaks down the Gooner defence with a majestical throughball that Levy gets on the end of and hammers into the net. Anything less and the stadium will be burnt to the ground come Monday.
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Devils advocate, but he could have also just not piped up with the comment. It hardly makes him sound committed to the cause long term.
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He said he'd "Go home" and was quite clear on it...then he back-tracked to make it sound ambiguous
Either way, it was foolish to do on the eve of a massive game
For the record, here's the video:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/48194727
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It always takes it toll being so close to success and it ending in failure, Poch especially is an extremely emotional guy and it's going to be hard to pick ourselves back up from losing the ultimate game and I think that's going to take a few months of football and a few honest words between players and manager. I'd hate to see it end without anything to show for it trophy wise.
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We are in transition with a major team restructure.
We also lost a CL Final 3 months ago, which probably knocked the stuffing out of the players and Manager, and now they have to pick themselves up.
It was awful to see on Sunday, but it seems that ever since Poch has been Manager we always start slowly, but then move into top gear November- February, where it has been said that the tough training regime really starts to kick in with its benefits, as other teams start to flag a bit.
Poch won't be with us forever but its a little premature to predict his demise. With him competing against clubs backed by countries he might decide one day that he has taken us as far as he can, but we are a big enough name, and possess a good enough squad to attract a very competent replacement.
We also lost a CL Final 3 months ago, which probably knocked the stuffing out of the players and Manager, and now they have to pick themselves up.
It was awful to see on Sunday, but it seems that ever since Poch has been Manager we always start slowly, but then move into top gear November- February, where it has been said that the tough training regime really starts to kick in with its benefits, as other teams start to flag a bit.
Poch won't be with us forever but its a little premature to predict his demise. With him competing against clubs backed by countries he might decide one day that he has taken us as far as he can, but we are a big enough name, and possess a good enough squad to attract a very competent replacement.
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