The beginning of the end...

sausage · Aug 27, 2019

Imagine if, 5 years ago, you were told that Harry Kane would go on to be one of our greatest players, and in two seasons would score nearly a goal per game, we'd have a world cup winning captain in the team, two of the best defenders in the league, Lucas Moura struggling to get a starting place nailed on, and a couple of £60m players...
...and yet we'd still win nothing.

We've done well, and got close, but we've never really looked convincing. He's at risk of being, to paraphase Jose, a "specialist in nearly winning". I feel that he'll end up needing to win a trophy this season, or he'll move on before he ruins the reputation he's built for himself.

mil1lion · Aug 27, 2019

Matthew said:
it's not though is it? its the manner of it. the rumblings going on etc, pochs demeanour in his pressers, his shit selections/tactics, turgid football and the fact weve won 3 league games in 15

I dont know why people are bringing last season into it. That was a different season under different circumstances. This is a new season, new signings are settling in, players aren't burnt out from a world cup year and we're not prioritising Champions League. We should judge this season separately. It's 4 points from 3 games so not great but certainly not time to panic just yet. We're just easing into the season and getting players back (Son just returned and Alli is back in training so 2 top players). The window really needs to close so we know who is here and can finally get everyone pulling in the same direction.

This type of thread has just been ready to go from the first game it seems, waiting for that first loss to start complaining already. We got new signings like people were crying out for, yet we haven't even given time for them to settle and the new system to take shape yet.

Gareth88 · Aug 27, 2019

yankspurs said:
Lock this thread. Throw away the key. Burn it with fire. And we'll pretend this never happened.

We have all said some things out of frustration. I agree end it, end it now.

Everlasting Seconds · Aug 27, 2019

mil1lion said:
I dont know why people are bringing last season into it. That was a different season under different circumstances. This is a new season, new signings are settling in, players aren't burnt out from a world cup year and we're not prioritising Champions League. We should judge this season separately. It's 4 points from 3 games so not great but certainly not time to panic just yet. We're just easing into the season and getting players back (Son just returned and Alli is back in training so 2 top players). The window really needs to close so we know who is here and can finally get everyone pulling in the same direction.

This type of thread has just been ready to go from the first game it seems, waiting for that first loss to start complaining already. We got new signings like people were crying out for, yet we haven't even given time for them to settle and the new system to take shape yet.

How often is it good enough to wait for "insert magic happening" to materialise? All this well-intended waiting around for this or that to pay off, every season, all the time, all the excuses, all the "explanations", how long is that good enough? It's been five full years, we are into the sixth year. After six years we are seeing no winning mentality, no tactical proven system to emerge and worst of all, the manager and many players don't look motivated. The lack of motivation, that's new, that's now, that's this season. And it is very, very scary. There is a vision for a club that moves into a grand new home, the grandest home, and that vision won't be delivered by Pochettino.

Metalhead · Aug 27, 2019

wadewill said:
Probably in the hope that the signings would reinvented the team, they haven’t.

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How would the signings have reinvented the team after less than a handful of games?

Kiedis · Aug 27, 2019

Due to the circumstances that were present last season, I still have a hard time looking at the whole of 2019 as one big long narrative. Lots of what we did in preseason was pretty neat, and the Villa game was us dominating an opponent. The two games that came after weren't good, but I still think I'll postpone my worries for a few games more.

shelfboy68 · Aug 27, 2019

mil1lion said:
I dont know why people are bringing last season into it. That was a different season under different circumstances. This is a new season, new signings are settling in, players aren't burnt out from a world cup year and we're not prioritising Champions League. We should judge this season separately. It's 4 points from 3 games so not great but certainly not time to panic just yet. We're just easing into the season and getting players back (Son just returned and Alli is back in training so 2 top players). The window really needs to close so we know who is here and can finally get everyone pulling in the same direction.

This type of thread has just been ready to go from the first game it seems, waiting for that first loss to start complaining already. We got new signings like people were crying out for, yet we haven't even given time for them to settle and the new system to take shape yet.

Hold on only one new signing has played so far the system and tactics along with poor defending where we barely ever keep clean sheets to shit sides is still there from last season, so what new visionary system are we going to play or when will our passes be played at speed with player's moving into space ahead of them surely that was what pre season and training ground routines are for unless I have it wrong.

Mr Pink · Aug 27, 2019

Coco-1101 said:
I am surprised that everyone taking what itk has said that as fact. With great respect to all ITK, it is not correct all the time. As proven previous TWs. To take it as a fact and start rambling is very knee jerk type of thing to do.

It shouldn't be taken as fact, but when you combine it with all the negativity regarding Pochs interviews, first team players not starting its pretty hard to think it's not a serious possibility.

Maybe we should of shut the thread and not discussed it at all.

It's there to be discussed and everyone is entitled to their opinion whether you, or I, agree or not

I personally think he hasn't lost the dressing room but that's just my uneducated opinion.

Hoping we all turn a corner and move forward under Poch.

@Bobby__Lucky · Aug 27, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
No. Poch is light years better than Burkinshaw. Good cup manager, no progress in the league. I hate to think the abuse he would have got if SC existed in the early 80s. Only won the first cup due to a fluke goal from Villa, needed a penalty for his second cup against a first division QPR and nearly blew it at home against Anderlecht. Not my thoughts but akin to some of the crap levelled at Poch in this thread.

Thats disrespectful. Keith won us the Eufa cup (when it was a big deal) and also the fa cup twice (also when it was a big deal). Also won the charity sheild as well.

Thats light years ahead in trophies in the bank over poch. Know your history. Fluke goal by villa, are you joking. Until poch puts some silverware in the cupboard then please don't. It's very disrespectful to Keith and the fans who were elated at those trophies.

spursfan77 · Aug 27, 2019

Dougal said:
You make it sound like a knee jerk thread. It’s not, it said so right at the start, just like all ‘definitely not a knee jerk’ knee jerk threads do.

What’s your thoughts to 15 points in 15 games then Dougal?

That’s not good for a team with our aspirations whichever way we cut it.

I seriously thought we’d be flying from the start of this season with the players all having a proper preseason but things are exactly the same as the final months of last term.

spursfan77 · Aug 27, 2019

FibreOpticJesus said:
It started off positive. And finished positive but a lot that should of happened did not. Many of us think that our squad stood still or is weaker if we lose Eriksen and maybe some others.

Read the itk, listen to Poch’s interviews, look at his body language both at press interviews and on the pitch side (or his lack of pitch side activity/coaching). Add to that our performances I The last 10 or so games last season. We kept blaming Wembley. I think the picture and frustration of the fans was clear. I cannot remember such a poor atmosphere than Sunday.

Under sherwood at home in one of the games he played Chadli and Paulinho in central midfield. We won that day too and it was as flat as Sunday.

Kingellesar · Aug 27, 2019

The worry is lack of creativity, against Newcastle we didn’t look like a top 4 team. We also didn’t change anything for 62 minutes, something we need to change, it a tactic and starting eleven isn’t working we need to look at changing it earlier.

If we had walked out of the game with 10 shots on target and some good play, we could all say “well those games happen”. We ended with 2....less than Newcastle. It is not acceptable. 80% possession and can only manage 2 shots on target for a team with title aspirations (or at least trying to challenge for the title).

Drink!Drink! · Aug 27, 2019

It’s surprising that it might be a possibility that Poch, whose reputation is based a lot around his man management ability, has hit a wall because of poor man management

I am sure it’s been said somewhere that a great sports team or military empire sometimes finds its greatest strength over time turns into its Achilles heel.

Is how Poch operates stopped working its magic with players...or maybe he has stopped doing what worked well in the past...or just a random blip...something doesn’t feel right though

McFlash · Aug 27, 2019

I'm not hitting the panic button just yet, in fact, I haven't even lifted the protective cover.
However, I have glanced furtively in its general direction.

piedpiper · Aug 27, 2019

Shadydan said:
I mean the man was balling his eyes out after the CL SF and F matches and there was that cojones video after the Man City match in the QF, that doesn't seem like a man who had his head turned or not committed.

Nah he was merely caught up in the emotions of the occasion.

shelfboy68 · Aug 27, 2019

McFlash said:
I'm not hitting the panic button just yet, in fact, I haven't even lifted the protective cover.
However, I have glanced furtively in its general direction.

It's a fair bet it will be hit or smashed come Sunday evening.

danielneeds · Aug 27, 2019

$hoguN said:
That’s such a shite excuse though. City and Liverpool are both as fit as us and aren’t playing like they have never met each other

It’s not an excuse, I’m just not sure why everyone’s acting like this is the first season under Poch where we’ve started off slowly. It’s probably a mixture of Poch’s preseason and Levy’s propensity to deal late which means we’re never really settled and firing from the off.

danielneeds · Aug 27, 2019

sausage said:
Imagine if, 5 years ago, you were told that Harry Kane would go on to be one of our greatest players, and in two seasons would score nearly a goal per game, we'd have a world cup winning captain in the team, two of the best defenders in the league, Lucas Moura struggling to get a starting place nailed on, and a couple of £60m players...
...and yet we'd still win nothing.

We've done well, and got close, but we've never really looked convincing. He's at risk of being, to paraphase Jose, a "specialist in nearly winning". I feel that he'll end up needing to win a trophy this season, or he'll move on before he ruins the reputation he's built for himself.

If you’d have told me all that and then added that City he thrown £1bn on their club and lured the most meticulous and intense manager in modern football history, I’d probably have understood it. We’ve been good, very good under Poch, but Leicester season apart, there’s always been better.

shelfboy68 · Aug 27, 2019

danielneeds said:
It’s not an excuse, I’m just not sure why everyone’s acting like this is the first season under Poch where we’ve started off slowly. It’s probably a mixture of Poch’s preseason and Levy’s propensity to deal late which means we’re never really settled and firing from the off.

Not that the club is winning anything but how does anyone at the club expect to win silverware if the team is constantly in a state of slow, slow catch up, it effectively means that barring a miracle no manager at spurs has a realistic chance of achieving success pointless imo.

dagraham · Aug 27, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
It's a fair bet it will be hit or smashed come Sunday evening.

I don’t think a bad performance and getting beaten at Arsenal should be cause for panic either. We haven’t won there since 2010 and last season arrived there the better team and got outplayed.

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