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am_yisrael_chai

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What you need in that instance is movement ahead of the ball, and we're so static - that's the problem against the bus parkers.
Yes we need movement and I was watching Son yesterday and he was making runs but the CMs weren’t finding him with way too much sideways crap. Kane and Moura on the other hand were way too much like statues.

We need BC back for a tactical autopsy thread.

@Snarfalicious or @dtxspurs either if you want to start a tactics thread ?
 

ValenciaYid

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We didn't struggle against Villa. We absolutely dominated them from start to finish.

And we dominated Newcastle too. It wasn't effort lacking it was inspiration. That is as much down to Poch's team selection I suppose but not evidence of players "not playing for him".

In that time we've also got results against City and some European giants.

Once we're injury free we can assess. But I can't be the only one perturbed by how easily we are torching a manager who has got us to where we are.

Maybe it's the supporters letting the team down. There was no "12th man" at WHL yesterday. Can't imagine what Lo celso made of it...
We certainly played better against Villa than we did against Newcastle but struggle we did... we equalized in the 73rd minute...
 

TropicalYid

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Im not over the shit display of yesterday yet.
Pochettino will now suddenly find himself under scrutiny. Not just from the press but also from alot of us.
His image of some kind of saviour has kinda cracked.
We can all see it. Yes the CL was amazing last season. But take a look at our last 15 PL games. think we have won 4 matches since february. Its shocking.
 

Thewobbler

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We got into the CL with Redknapp in charge soo? Were in the Champs league this season due to Arsenal having a meltdown last season by the way. Your argument doesn't hold water.

Arsenal didnt win their games, it has nothing to do with us. They are soft team and couldnt handle the pressure to overtake us.
 

Tonio

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Arsenal didnt win their games, it has nothing to do with us. They are soft team and couldnt handle the pressure to overtake us.
What I'm trying to highlight is we barely scraped the CL qual this year, and not from our wonderful latter half form.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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I think it really boils down to what expectation an individual has of the team. I EXPECT us to beat a bottom of the table team at home into the bargain! I don't sit in the "Its a bonus if we win" camp, that's bollocks and its settling for mediocrity. I had enough of historical mid table finishes, I honestly believe we are and should be the 3rd best team in the league. How long has Poch been there and we haven't won a bean. Can any of you say this looks like its going to change any time soon? The game is about glory isn't it? How glorious is it to be the nearly men all the time. The ill feeling simmers under the surface. It isn't knee jerk as a lot would suggest, that's a lazy overused term. People need to ask why people are unhappy instead of just being fucking rude and denigrating those that voice displeasure and it isn't just those on this forum. Of course if we had won there wouldn't have been such an outcry (obvious). It goes deeper than that, the problems would still have been there.
If you want to be 3rd best then expect to spend the 3rd highest amount on transfers and wages. If you are among the bottom 3 spenders on transfers and way behind the top 4 on wages and yet you consistently achieve 3rd or 4th then you are massively outperforming versus your resources and you should be lauding the man who did it for you not moaning that he hadn’t won anything. The views in this thread are so knee jerk and lacking in gratitude it is embarrassing.
 

Ronwol196061

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Clearly I was referring to the %80 possession which is nothing else shows we were adhering to the Poch gameplan of playing in our half and trying to score through overwhelming territorial dominance. This gameplan succeeded in that territorial dominance but failed in just about every other objective. I'm not saying that everything's great just pointing out that the players are playing Poch's game - whether its working or not.

Against Villa we should have had 3 goals by half-time. It can't be included in any doom-mongering. Or at least it shouldn't.

Perhaps the City game depressed us? Possible easily.
I agree with the concept but many times we have a hard time getting through the last third
Kane is one of our aggressive players in that area but often he has to come out to get the ball.
We love playing the periphery and not getting inside testing defences.No longer shots either that could ricochet so we get a lot of possession. Means little though.
Son is good coming from the wing but not a great player...Moura is capable but not physical.
Dele would be good.But ultimately it's a lack if creativity where we play the safe balls from players with little vision.Ndombele hits that great through ball...want to see him feeding Kane
 

ValenciaYid

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Not really sure why everyone focussing on the end to last season, there was a job to do, get top 4 and we did it. The start to this season would have been fine if we won yesterday so basically it just comes down to losing yesterday.

How exactly do you want Poch to show commitment ? Maybe sign a 5 year contract when many clubs bigger than us want him ? Or stay with us when we spend nothing for 18 months ? Or do you need him to get a COYS tattoo on his arm to evidence his commitment ?
It comes down to yesterday because it would seem we are still having bad games like last season...if we cant solve these problems then there will be no trophies...surely the idea is to do better not the same or worse....
 

Tonio

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If you want to be 3rd best then expect to spend the 3rd highest amount on transfers and wages. If you are among the bottom 3 spenders on transfers and way behind the top 4 on wages and yet you consistently achieve 3rd or 4th then you are massively outperforming versus your resources and you should be lauding the man who did it for you not moaning that he hadn’t won anything. The views in this thread are so knee jerk and lacking in gratitude it is embarrassing.
Sorry I have to disagree. There are just some of us who are more passionate about the club and those of us like yourself who settle for mediocrity it seems. You've no interest in analysing why people are upset, they're just knee jerkers aren't they.
 

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It comes down to yesterday because it would seem we are still having bad games like last season...if we cant solve these problems then there will be no trophies...surely the idea is to do better not the same or worse....
The response would be that why do we expect to play better than last season when none of our new signings are out there and when we're still missing/not starting three of our best players? The team we started yesterday just isn't any better than the ones we started for most of last season, in fact I'd argue it might be worse without Eriksen.
 

Thewobbler

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What I'm trying to highlight is we barely scraped the CL qual this year, and not from our wonderful latter half form.

if you look at past tables:

16/17: 2nd
17/18: 3rd
18/19: 4th

Probably backs up the fact we haven't been at our best in the last 2 seasons
 

Tonio

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2nd half against Ajax was as good football as we've played since I've been watching - sans Bale/Modric in their prime.
The 3-0 against Dortmund for me was sublime. Why aren't we trying to play this way week in week out?
 

fortworthspur

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Sorry I have to disagree. There are just some of us who are more passionate about the club and those of us like yourself who settle for mediocrity it seems. You've no interest in analysing why people are upset, they're just knee jerkers aren't they.

I always love this line. What are you going to do to avoid settling for mediocrity?
 

Mr Pink

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The point is, if Arsenal hadn't threw it away at home to Palace it would of been a spectacular collapse last season.

That was not 'doing a job'. It was performing poorly for months and getting away with it.
 

am_yisrael_chai

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It comes down to yesterday because it would seem we are still having bad games like last season...if we cant solve these problems then there will be no trophies...surely the idea is to do better not the same or worse....
We still have the same team that struggled last year, we still have many of the same injuries. We made one major signing early and then 2 on deadline day. Is there any reason to expect the weaknesses we had from not spending for years to be fixed in the first 3 games when our only effective signing was injured ? It’s as if people look at the amount spent and think it instantly translates to a different team. Well if all 3 had a full pre-season and were fit maybe that would be a more reasonable expectation but even then it seems super harsh to go all negative on our best manager since Bill Nick after just 3 games. It’s like his ridiculous achievements in 5 years count for nothing.
 

Phomesy

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We certainly played better against Villa than we did against Newcastle but struggle we did... we equalized in the 73rd minute...

That was finishing. We should have scored 3 in the first half alone.

Liverpool and City have similar games all the time.

It's when you can't create clear chances that you have a problem. Our XG against Villa was ridiculous.

And despite everything our XG against Newcastle would usually indicate a "victory". Even if we had won I'd agree we still have problems (Kane not being involved for whatever reason) but the number of people in here apparently hoping Poch goes shows me we have bigger issues with our support base than our manager at the moment.

And when you hear the "Wall of Silence (and moaning)" that is NWHL we have massive problems in that regard imo.

Lose against the Scum and we'll have Poch out by November and we'll be Everton in two years time...

That's my big worry atm
 

Tonio

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I always love this line. What are you going to do to avoid settling for mediocrity?
Change ones mindset. I go into games against the likes of Newcastle and think. " We ought to be fucking winning this". Not thinking "you know what, id be happy with a point"
 
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