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Bobbins

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All of the top six bar City and Liverpool have major question marks surrounding them. Arsenal’s defense is awful, United have little squad depth and only Pogba as a creative outlet, and Chelsea are relying on youth and have their own problems at the back.

Yes we’ve been poor but look at the players we’ve had out injured, suspended, or unsettled. We’re also very early in the process of integrating the new signings. It’s possible that all of Son, Dele, Vertonghen, Eriksen, Ndombele, Lo Celso, and Aurier could find themselves in our best XI if they all stay at the club and have their heads on right. That’s *seven* of our top players who have either not been available for whatever reason or have yet to be anywhere near their best — not to mention the likes of Dier, Davies, Foyth, Sessegnon etc!

Let’s not lose hope in this season so soon, there’s plenty to play for.

You'd hope this would be the season where we'd improve and avoid results like Newcastle to make the most of this then wouldn't you?
 

Mr Pink

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I guess miracles do happen, I agree with one of your posts.

Way too much made on here of the lack of pressing but pressing doesn’t work against a bank of 9 defenders. For that you need either to get round the back of the defenders or very cute interplay on the edge of the box. We had one piece of the latter by GLC which should have given us a penalty. We didn’t see any of the former and the lack of pace and penetration by our full backs is an issue that needs addressing.

What you need in that instance is movement ahead of the ball, and we're so static - that's the problem against the bus parkers.
 

Phomesy

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That may be the problem then? slow side to side possession football just isn't working.

Maybe but I've seen City and Liverpool playing exactly the same way against stubborn 5-4-1 bus parkers. As usual its a moment of brilliance that gets them over the line. They have multiple players capable of that - we have less. Eriksen being the usual suspect for us.

Pray for Ndombele and Lo Celso.
 

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Doesn't make for good reading does it
 

Tonio

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Not really sure why everyone focussing on the end to last season, there was a job to do, get top 4 and we did it. The start to this season would have been fine if we won yesterday so basically it just comes down to losing yesterday.

How exactly do you want Poch to show commitment ? Maybe sign a 5 year contract when many clubs bigger than us want him ? Or stay with us when we spend nothing for 18 months ? Or do you need him to get a COYS tattoo on his arm to evidence his commitment ?
I think it really boils down to what expectation an individual has of the team. I EXPECT us to beat a bottom of the table team at home into the bargain! I don't sit in the "Its a bonus if we win" camp, that's bollocks and its settling for mediocrity. I had enough of historical mid table finishes, I honestly believe we are and should be the 3rd best team in the league. How long has Poch been there and we haven't won a bean. Can any of you say this looks like its going to change any time soon? The game is about glory isn't it? How glorious is it to be the nearly men all the time. The ill feeling simmers under the surface. It isn't knee jerk as a lot would suggest, that's a lazy overused term. People need to ask why people are unhappy instead of just being fucking rude and denigrating those that voice displeasure and it isn't just those on this forum. Of course if we had won there wouldn't have been such an outcry (obvious). It goes deeper than that, the problems would still have been there.
 

Primativ

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it shows you that the "piss poor performances nearly every single week" won 20 of 26 matches before February. If thats struggling I'll take it.


I've already explained that the results were not mirroring the performances. We won despite playing poorly, very poorly in some cases. The poor performances continued into the second half oof the season, actually they got even worse, but the results stopped generally, the spawny wins turned into defeats, it's no surprise. Why is that hard for you to grasp? If you only judge on results and you don't look into the performances, there's no point discussing this. I don't get what point you are trying to make?

Take United away for example, we were really poor, they could have been 2 goals up, but missed chances, and we smash and grabbed a 3 goal win. On the face of it, fantastic result, but actually the performance (bar our finishing) wasn't convincing at all. In the same way we beat Huddersfield at home, a pathetic performance but a spawny 1 nil last minute winner. On the face of it, great, everyone goes home happy, but when you look at it, it was a worrying performance. Fulham away, diabolical performance. Played off the park by the worst team in the league, spawned a late win. There are so many, I could go on.
 

Lighty64

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Yeah, pressing in general I meant. Very different when bottom half teams come and park the bus.

There is a general lack of desire spread right through out our game, and it's been going on for too long.

I just want Poch to reenergise this team, as without the intensity he/we can't control the game at a slow rate and change the pace of our passing and moving game to carve open teams lying deep. That's what Barca used to do and we ain't them.

Remember the intensity from a couple of seasons back, teams couldn't live with us... Peps first visit to the Lane...

I honestly believe the press has dropped mainly because we are now playing CL football which means less rotation, plus 10-14 teams parking the bus

I know this is mad, because Poch is showing faith with Toby, but if the club and Poch offered Toby a new contract, I feel Jan would follow suit. we have 3 players going into the last season of their contracts, at the moment Poch is using 1 regular, part using 1 of our most influential players, and either dropping or benching our best defender who in my view should also be our captain.

thing is also yesterday I did wonder if the heat played a big part of not going hard, with also a few players still not ready to play full at the moment with the worry of picking up any un-needed injuries, because until Dier, Alli, Ndombele, and know who will be with us next Tuesday we have a pretty thin squad at the moment

we need to find a way to break teams down that park the bus.
 

Tonio

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Oooh you won the battle.

I am not childish to act like that. The truth is we played just ONCE in CL ever. Now we are regular without much support in TW. The profile of the club raised all over the world hence better sponsorship deals. 62000 seats doesn't make it big club but filled day in day out makes it. I doubt it if we had a EL tie and it will be 70 % filled. All that thanks to pochetino
We got into the CL with Redknapp in charge soo? Were in the Champs league this season due to Arsenal having a meltdown last season by the way. Your argument doesn't hold water.
 

Spursfan1414

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And 15 of those were in the last few minutes when we finally realised we need to score a fuckin goal.
It was shit mate.
Not sure what point you are trying to make.

I'm trying to make the point that we had 17 shots, not 3 like the other poster said. I don't really see why it matters whether shots come in the 1st minute or the 91st but yes I agree we didn't play well.
 

JayB

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You'd hope this would be the season where we'd improve and avoid results like Newcastle to make the most of this then wouldn't you?
Of course I'm disappointed in the result. I'd be disappointed to drop points against what is probably the worst team in the league in any season. But that doesn't have any bearing on the fact that we've yet to integrate the new signings who will be incredibly important to this season, that we've got key players like Eriksen, Vertonghen, and (at least arguably) Aurier who are unsettled because the window is open, that Son was playing his first competitive football in three months, and that we were without Ndombele and Dele.

If everyone currently in the squad stays past Sept. 2 and gets fully fit and integrated, this could at least potentially be our best XI:

---------------Lloris-------------
Aurier--Toby--Verts--Rose
------GLC-----Ndombele----
--Son-----Eriksen----Dele--
-------------Kane-------------

Only four of the outfield players in that lineup started the match yesterday for a variety of reasons, and again one of them was Son in his very first action of the season. It was a dreadfully disappointing result but in context it's not the end of the world.
 

Thewobbler

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The fall started with selling Walker. Not saying we shouldn't have, but that felt like a big moment. Especially as it completely changed our whole way of playing. We've played horrible football for the most part for the last 2 seasons. When was the last time you watched spurs (against anyone half decent) and went "wow, that was incredible"?

The last season at the lane was the last time for me. Since then it's been mostly shite. Despite getting results, the football has been rubbish

Man city in the 2nd leg of the CL was incredible even though we lost.
 

Tonio

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I'm trying to make the point that we had 17 shots, not 3 like the other poster said. I don't really see why it matters whether shots come in the 1st minute or the 91st but yes I agree we didn't play well.
Really??
 

JCRD

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What you need in that instance is movement ahead of the ball, and we're so static - that's the problem against the bus parkers.

Im not a football manager obviously otherwise i wouldnt be here haha but wouldnt it then make sense to let the opposition have the ball, press them, get the ball and attack i.e. counter attack. That then opens the game up. I mean its what id do but I may well be barking up the wrong tactics
 
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