Match Threads Spurs vs Newcastle - Match Thread

Phomesy · Aug 25, 2019

Hakkz said:
Emails?

Club sent out several emails “reminding” season ticket holders that they would have their tickets revoked for the crime of standing.

It worked. No one ever stands. No one ever sings. No one ever supports. We just sit there.

Oh - a lot of people moan. We are getting very good at that.

bozzaSPUR · Aug 25, 2019

Spurs72 said:
Side to Side boring Footy, No creatvity until Eriksen, God help us if he leaves.

Which he surely will do. Sooner rather than later probably and who can blame him. TA, JV and DR as well. Why? Because they can see that we are not going to win anything in the near future. Three years ago the signs were good; a hungry young team and manager, pressing insanely, playing exciting progressive football. Now monotonous, ponderous, sleep inducing possession football against most sides-let’s not fool ourselves it’s just against ‘park the bus’ merchants. Why would Eriksen stay? Give me one good reason after that defeat today!

worcestersauce · Aug 25, 2019

TigerTom said:
For what it’s worth
Newcastle were well organised and we lacked creativity to break them down - this is even more of a problem when we concede soft early goal
Without Eriksen we lack creativity badly
Winks is a neat tidy continuity player but lacks a USP - no real pace, incisive passing etc - he is not a holding midfield player- we are defensively exposed with him in that role - we really miss the security he provides for defence particularly as our full backs push so far up the field
KWP is not good enough - defensively weak - lacks height and physical presence- reluctant to attempt to take on defenders
Danny Rose crossing is poor
Lamela works really hard but does not deliver ball quickly enough
Son and Moura really struggle when lack of space due to packed defence
All a bit depressing today

Just back from the game read this and it sums it up well, I don't strictly agree with the Danny Rose opinion, his crossing is nothing to write home about but I think it is better than poor, that and I think I'm willing to give KWP a while longer before writing him off.
Fair to say we missed Ndombele today but in all honestly we shouldn't have done, we have no right to miss him against Newcastle, it should not have counted.
I posted something after the Villa game which upset some people but if you'll indulge me I'll say it again; Some people ask what does Dele do? well I suggest you look at what was missing today.
They scored with their second shot by which time we'd had none despite having the vast majority of the possession and nearly all of it in their half, that's just not good enough, it's not logical to say this or that player is to blame even with my five year old grandson in the side we ought to have got off a shot in half an hour when we are camped outside their box.
Well done to Newcastle they worked hard for that and I can't begrudge them their win.

homer hotspur · Aug 25, 2019

Mark_147 said:
Dier sits protects the defence, and ndombele gets forward and creates chances by passing forward as he's done so far this season. Even Dier distribution isn't side to side and backwards.

Depends which Dier you get. He was not the same player last season. I know he had a lot of injury issues so have to hope he is back to Dier 17/18 player and hasn't gone the way of Victor. We will get absolutely over run in midfield otherwise.

UbeAstard · Aug 25, 2019

Primativ said:
Anyone else seriously not worried that Poch has lost the plot?

We are going miles backwards.

We don’t even look well coached anymore.

People can stop blaming Levy this season, nowhere to hide for Poch.

mrlilywhite · Aug 25, 2019

rossdapep said:
I did say that we'd have a slow start to the season and are a strong second half. Ok, didn't expect us to lose to Newcastle and there's no excuses on that but there is so many little issues that need to click into place before we can get into flow.

Lo Celso bedded in and comfortable with his role.
Ndombele bedded in and used in the right midfield combo.
Eriksen situation
Toby situation
Jan situation
Sanchez run of games to get his confidence back up.
Foyth at RB - think we'll be much better when he's in.

Once these issues are resolved and we have more time together on the training ground we should start to see things click.

Lo Celso & Ndombele are relative issues we can resolve - but the rest are bigger issues, in fact they are massive issues - Toby, Jan & Eriksen are all set to leave as things stand, so from the defensive situation we have lost the two players that have been the best CB pairing in the premier league for some time and by far the best we have. Sanchez I'm afraid to say I don't think will ever cut the mustard. How many times have you watched you him play and think "yep this guy is a rock"? Every time he plays I start to dread it. It should be of no coincidence that we look vulnerable in matches when he plays.

If, and it seems highly likely Eriksen goes who is really going to provide the fulcrum of our creative play? Lo Celso? I don't see that tbh - yes he can play across various midfield roles and can play a creative role too, but he isn't going to replace CE.

Foyth at RB is a goer though, but it['s not totally ideal to poch's system imho.

Right now we don't look to be worrying anyone with our form and I beg the question that how can a CL final team look so bloody average against a very poor Newcastle team!? I can't even look that far to next season. We will have a squad full of problems defensively once Toby and Jan go. In truth Eriksen should be the least of our concerns. Spurs don't do little issues.

Romulus · Aug 25, 2019

Sanchez has been so poor. simple long punts down the field cause him so much trouble and misreads a lot of balls in the air

Thewobbler · Aug 25, 2019

Since erisken joined he has only been out of the assists top 10 once. His second season. After that he has been in the top 5 every season. He is a massive player for us.

No good him sitting on the bench.

bozzaSPUR · Aug 25, 2019

mrlilywhite said:
Lo Celso & Ndombele are relative issues we can resolve - but the rest are bigger issues, in fact they are massive issues - Toby, Jan & Eriksen are all set to leave as things stand, so from the defensive situation we have lost the two players that have been the best CB pairing in the premier league for some time and by far the best we have. Sanchez I'm afraid to say I don't think will ever cut the mustard. How many times have you watched you him play and think "yep this guy is a rock"? Every time he plays I start to dread it. It should be of no coincidence that we look vulnerable in matches when he plays.

If, and it seems highly likely Eriksen goes who is really going to provide the fulcrum of our creative play? Lo Celso? I don't see that tbh - yes he can play across various midfield roles and can play a creative role too, but he isn't going to replace CE.

Foyth at RB is a goer though, but it['s not totally ideal to poch's system imho.

Right now we don't look to be worrying anyone with our form and I beg the question that how can a CL final team look so bloody average against a very poor Newcastle team!? I can't even look that far to next season. We will have a squad full of problems defensively once Toby and Jan go. In truth Eriksen should be the least of our concerns. Spurs don't do little issues.

Do you reckon I should think again about having a new tattoo ‘it’s all about the glory’?!

UbeAstard · Aug 25, 2019

yankspurs said:
Sissoko better not start 2nd half

Be careful, there's people who'll get upset when you criticise last years golden boy.

spud · Aug 25, 2019

mrlilywhite said:
Sanchez I'm afraid to say I don't think will ever cut the mustard. How many times have you watched you him play and think "yep this guy is a rock"? Every time he plays I start to dread it. It should be of no coincidence that we look vulnerable in matches when he plays.

When Sanchez arrived he played virtually the whole season and was just that: a rock. The reason why he's different now is simple. First he's playing on the left side when he's a right-sided centre back. Secondly, and crucially, during that first season he was alongside Vertonghen and now he is partnered by Alderweireld. Toby is a great defender, but that's all. Jan is also a leader. Sanchez, as a central defender in the early stage of his career at the top level, needs an experienced leader alongside him. If he gets that - if he partners Vertonghen, and if his confidence isn't shot by the time that happens - he'll be a rock again.

teedee · Aug 25, 2019

stevenurse said:
Lamela has good ideas. It's just a shame he has to take 6 touches, ball rolls, a cruyff... Then passes to nobody

A perfect summation of his limited ability.

bozzaSPUR · Aug 25, 2019

mrlilywhite said:
Lo Celso & Ndombele are relative issues we can resolve - but the rest are bigger issues, in fact they are massive issues - Toby, Jan & Eriksen are all set to leave as things stand, so from the defensive situation we have lost the two players that have been the best CB pairing in the premier league for some time and by far the best we have. Sanchez I'm afraid to say I don't think will ever cut the mustard. How many times have you watched you him play and think "yep this guy is a rock"? Every time he plays I start to dread it. It should be of no coincidence that we look vulnerable in matches when he plays.

If, and it seems highly likely Eriksen goes who is really going to provide the fulcrum of our creative play? Lo Celso? I don't see that tbh - yes he can play across various midfield roles and can play a creative role too, but he isn't going to replace CE.

Foyth at RB is a goer though, but it['s not totally ideal to poch's system imho.

Right now we don't look to be worrying anyone with our form and I beg the question that how can a CL final team look so bloody average against a very poor Newcastle team!? I can't even look that far to next season. We will have a squad full of problems defensively once Toby and Jan go. In truth Eriksen should be the least of our concerns. Spurs don't do little issues.

At this stage of the season nobody can say how Ndombele and Lo Celso can/will influence play. All we have seen are a few YouTube vids. At the moment it is blind optimism that these two record signings will transform us into a title winning side. After today I am less than optimistic - only because the rest of the team have to be better than crap to complement their perceived brilliance.

bozzaSPUR · Aug 25, 2019

Romulus said:
Sanchez has been so poor. simple long punts down the field cause him so much trouble and misreads a lot of balls in the air

He doesn’t even do that any more. He is so limited; cumbersome, slow on the turn, leaden footed and ALWAYS looks to play it sideways to Toby.

rossdapep · Aug 25, 2019

spud said:
When Sanchez arrived he played virtually the whole season and was just that: a rock. The reason why he's different now is simple. First he's playing on the left side when he's a right-sided centre back. Secondly, and crucially, during that first season he was alongside Vertonghen and now he is partnered by Alderweireld. Toby is a great defender, but that's all. Jan is also a leader. Sanchez, as a central defender in the early stage of his career at the top level, needs an experienced leader alongside him. If he gets that - if he partners Vertonghen, and if his confidence isn't shot by the time that happens - he'll be a rock again.

Agreed. Poch handled this poorly.

First season he got his chance and Toby was out the team. He was fine. Couple of moments in which you could put down to him being young, other than that he was very good.

Second season, in and out of the team all season.

Poch preaches about young players and giving them chances, well where was Sanchez reward? Where was the care last season? Lad got moved around, dropped and it clearly effected his performances. Now he's not as assured.

Secondly, Poch has removed Jan for reasons we don't know, yet when Toby refused to commit he kept picking him at the expense of Sanchez. Where's the lesson there for Sanchez? You played well but I'm dropping you for the guy who won't commit?!

Poch has contradicted himself a lot these last two years. If he doesn't start sticking to his principals he'll undo all the great work. Get your principles in order Poch and stick to them.

Mate · Aug 25, 2019

Palace at home after Arsenal, who are a far more potent counter-attacking team than Newcastle (and defend better too).

Then Leicester away, who will have untold joy popping balls over the top of Sanchez to Vardy.

It's not time to panic just yet, but things can go pear shaped very quickly.

bozzaSPUR · Aug 25, 2019

bozzaSPUR said:
He doesn’t even do that any more. He is so limited; cumbersome, slow on the turn, leaden footed and ALWAYS looks to play it sideways to Toby.

Sorry read this as he makes simple long punts down the field. Agree with everything you say.

Cochise · Aug 25, 2019

Why are people blaming the diamond?

Today was a return to 4231.

ajspurs · Aug 25, 2019

Thewobbler said:
Since erisken joined he has only been out of the assists top 10 once. His second season. After that he has been in the top 5 every season. He is a massive player for us.

No good him sitting on the bench.

Yep. And it's one thing if you were to keep him out of the squad because of the current situation but if he's going to be on the bench and possibly brought on anyway you may as well start him. We're certainly better with him in the team.

spud · Aug 25, 2019

nailsy said:
I think it makes sense. They trust linesmen to make the right call, so why not trust another ref to get the decision right when they've got video evidence?

I agree with you in theory, but the practice looks to be different.

A ref would often previously consult with an assistant for incidents like today's. This doesn't happen now, and you will never see a linesman flagging for a foul in the box the way that you used to. The VAR system has changed this forever.

That wouldn't be a problem if the VAR was instructed to give the correct decision. He isn't; he's instructed to over-rule the ref if there is a 'clear and obvious error'. I think that everybody thinks Kane should've had a penalty, but it could be argued either way, and it is easy for POGMOL (or whatever the ref's union is called) to say that in the absence of it being 'clear and obvious' it was right to let the ref's decision stand.

The net result of this is that refs will bottle tough decisions (it is always easier to let play continue than to give a penalty) to pass the buck to the VAR; and the VAR will hide behind the 'clear and obvious' get-out.

So while VAR is intended to provide clarity - and it will on matters of fact - it will, if the evidence of the small sample size continues, mean that defenders will get away with fouls because the refs have an excuse to put their bollocks away.

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