Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

Spursfan1414 · Jul 30, 2019

Amo said:
We belatedly replaced one of our most important players while letting go two first team squad members (both seemingly without any intention to get replacements) and are looking to get rid of more.

We are weaker than last season with a week left to go.

First off, the point was that this window is not like the last two, we've broken our transfer record and gotten our number 1 target in already, that's a entirely fair reason for people to have more faith in Levy now that we did last year.

How was Dembele one of our most important players last season? He only played in 10 league games and only 6 of those for longer than 45 minutes. I don't know if Ndombele will be better than he was last season but replacing someone who only played 10 games with someone who can play 30+ does not make us weaker at all in my eyes.

As for Trippier, I'm sure that either Foyth or KWP will have a better season than he did last year, I wanted him dropped for one of them last year during his awful form and I'm happy that it's happened now.

Llorente was a nice option but realistically how much is he going to play this season? He's 4th choice behind Kane, Son and Moura for that position and if Poch really wanted him to stay then we'd have offered him the wages he wants.

And lastly you said it yourself, there's a week left in the transfer window. We have always done our business late, what's the point in getting upset about the state of our squad when we're still actively trying to bring players in?

Dillspur · Jul 30, 2019

wrd said:
I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.

I agree and disagree! ? it's hard to know what we've actually bid I think it ranges from 55m-65m. If we've bid 65m, I would like to think we could offer the additional 10m in incentives?

Last year Pool (IMO at the time) massively over spent on Allison and VVD, I still think they overspent on Allison, but a year on they've won the CL and lost 1 game in the PL, finishing with a points total that would normally win the PL at a canter.

I think along with Ndombele, Lo Celso can have a massive impact on this team and get us Poch's first piece of silverware, for me that additional 10m would be worth it.

Amo · Jul 30, 2019

HenryDuquemin said:
First off, the point was that this window is not like the last two, we've broken our transfer record and gotten our number 1 target in already, that's a entirely fair reason for people to have more faith in Levy now that we did last year.

How was Dembele one of our most important players last season? He only played in 10 league games and only 6 of those for longer than 45 minutes. I don't know if Ndombele will be better than he was last season but replacing someone who only played 10 games with someone who can play 30+ does not make us weaker at all in my eyes.

As for Trippier, I'm sure that either Foyth or KWP will have a better season than he did last year, I wanted him dropped for one of them last year during his awful form and I'm happy that it's happened now.

Llorente was a nice option but realistically how much is he going to play this season? He's 4th choice behind Kane, Son and Moura for that position and if Poch really wanted him to stay then we'd have offered him the wages he wants.

And lastly you said it yourself, there's a week left in the transfer window. We have always done our business late, what's the point in getting upset about the state of our squad when we're still actively trying to bring players in?

It's the gaslighting I don't appreciate. If Levy came out and said he wouldn't spend a single solitary cent until the stadium is fully paid for then I'd respect his decision and his conviction.

Spursfan1414 · Jul 30, 2019

Amo said:
It's the gaslighting I don't appreciate. If Levy came out and said he wouldn't spend a single solitary cent until the stadium is fully paid for then I'd respect his decision and his conviction.

See I don’t get this either, we’ve bought Ndombele already this summer, by all accounts we’re trying to sign GLC whether Eriksen is still here or not, even last summer Levy was prepared to pay whatever Ajax wanted for De Jong before he decided he wanted to give it another season there. Levy wasn’t lying about us spending money.

Scott Spur · Jul 30, 2019

Absolutely spot on.

I love the way Levy controls the finances of the club and have total confidence in him not doing a Leeds, but if it’s true that our spending on players hasn’t been too affect by the stadium cost then we should have funds to spend.

I’m convinced that our lack of transfer activity has less to do with lack of funds but more to do with the inflexible negotiation strategy Levy employs, cutting off his nose to spite his face time after time.

That’s worrying as it probably won’t improve as revenues increase, hence Poch stating how we need to do things ‘differently’. Poor sod, must feel like banging his head against a brick wall every TW.

L-man · Jul 30, 2019

We’ve definitely pulled out of this

Nkoudou masterclass has changed our transfer strategy

Stamford · Jul 30, 2019

Longer this goes on the more it feels related to an Eriksen exit

CrouchPotato · Jul 30, 2019

I honestly believe Lo Celso will be better in the prem than Dybala, he’s the one I want more. It frustrates me that the Dybala rumour even came about as if it hadn’t I’m sure everyone would have been delighted with Lo Celso, now most people are just going to be disappointed when we end up with Lo Celso instead of Dybala.

Styopa · Jul 30, 2019

After a very promising start to the window, this deal dragging on has drained away some of the optimism going into the new season. It’s all starting to feel a bit familiar.

I don’t doubt we have a serious interest in GLC, that much has been confirmed by all of the ITK, however the cynic in me still thinks we’ll try to balance the books which could mean no GLC if Eriksen stays. Obviously this is just a guess but one based on general ENIC transfer policy over the last few years.

If Levy does sanction a deal for GLC plus Sess and Eriksen stays we would probably end the window with a net spend of £100m+. That sounds like a lot but we shall see.

Spurrific · Jul 30, 2019

absolute bobbins said:
No, grow up.

And for future reference, Mizrahi knight. Thanks in advance xx

I’ve told you, I’m never calling you Mizrahi Knight, this has to stop.

Also I’ll never grow up.

I’ve got nothing against people posting positive views, but belittling those who aren’t feeling as positive with diatribes about how great it is, how ungrateful they are etc is what is wearing thin. I think many agree with me, as per the eighteen (18!) winner ratings my post has garnered thus far.

nedley · Jul 30, 2019

jackson said:
Maybe the 'goalposts' are being moved because they're really not happy with the deal we're bending them to?

It is funny that it's ALWAYS the other clubs fault.

And the end of the day we don't know and can only go on ITKs info.

But to say we negotiate perfectly and it's always the other team that act this way is just baloney.

Ben1 · Jul 30, 2019

Stamford said:
Longer this goes on the more it feels related to an Eriksen exit

I think theres a chance it does partially. We most likely want GLC with another/Eriksen. But not adding to the transfer funds probably restricts how high we could go with GLC.

Lighty64 · Jul 30, 2019

piedpiper said:
I get the impression you a stingy bugger.. You don't like paying wages.

Sorry Lighty couldn't resist. You've said it a few times.

I don't class it being stingy paying a player holiday money when he has earnt it with us. the thing is to get him that early would of cost silly money. if that cost, cost us a transfer in the winter or next summer you would be moaning without even taking that into consideration.

EZSpur · Jul 30, 2019

brasil_spur said:
Long time no speak buddy, how's things?

I wish i was as confident as you on this. When we look back at our Modric, Bale and the season after spending spree (so across 3 summers) we ended up with the following players which are still a key part of our first team today:

Lloris, Verts, Eriksen, Dele, Dier & Davies. That's easily 50% of the first team we'll be playing at the start of this coming season.

We also still have Lamela and recently lost Dembele.

We currently stand at Moura & Ndombele as the only two additions across two windows. If we don't sign anyone else this window then we have a huge amount of work to do even to emulate the spending spree we went on when Bale left next summer.

We should also be a much more attractive team now than we were back then and should be able to get more guaranteed success from our signings.

I'm really disappointed so far this summer, Ndombele was a great start but he should have been the first or 2 or 3 big signings, and he still may be, but time is running out fast.

Yes yes!! I'm good man - hope you are too

Dude i completely hear what you're saying and of course some 'shiny new players' would be great BUT your example is very much based on what happened AFTER we sold some KEY players.
What i'm saying, is right now we haven't really lost anyone and if Eriksen stays then perhaps the need for Lo Celso is somewhat reduced - AND in fact we now have Ndombele who by all accounts looks immense.

IF we then add this to the players who are coming through the ranks - OR adding Lamela back into the mix (who i personally think, when fit, could/should be an ample deputy for Eriksen, especially against lower league teams) then we're not really any worse off.

All the doom mongers on here saying it's the end of days have got it twisted.
If we lose Eriksen and Rose, then I can understand the panic but right now we're ok - more than ok because we have Ndomebele.

Don't get me wrong - my ideal scenario would be to sign GLC and Sess.....and keep Eriksen for another year. Providing competition for places AND gives players a breather through the season.
But I think there are solutions if it doesn't quite come off.

I'm just trying to stay positive ??

Coco-1101 · Jul 30, 2019

Lighty64 said:
I don't class it being stingy paying a player holiday money when he has earnt it with us. the thing is to get him that early would of cost silly money. if that cost, cost us a transfer in the winter or next summer you would be moaning without even taking that into consideration.

it doesn't matter whether we save money or not. As the money saved from last summer is gone. We aren't spending that saved money freely either. Please don't start with stadium thing and also Ndombele.

rossdapep · Jul 30, 2019

marcolombardSA said:
I honestly believe Lo Celso will be better in the prem than Dybala, he’s the one I want more. It frustrates me that the Dybala rumour even came about as if it hadn’t I’m sure everyone would have been delighted with Lo Celso, now most people are just going to be disappointed when we end up with Lo Celso instead of Dybala.

Exactly. Even if we are serious I'd rather we just kept it all under wraps, no need to work the fans up. I'd be over the moon with Lo Celso but the thought of Dybala and Lo Celso together has already run through my mind so there'll be a tinge of disappointment. Absolutely shouldn't be though.

Lo Celso is a minimum now

thfcsteff · Jul 30, 2019

I think it is fair to say that with Alderweireld, Eriksen, Rose and NKoudou once again NOT leaving (as of now) it buggers us in several ways.

First off, squad size. Massive issue. Poch does not like bloated squads. Secondly, CL homegrown quotas. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, blocking youth development. People are ignoring Skipp, yet he is on the way to being a very important squad member. Tanganga has been excellent during this pre-season and looks like the real deal. Parrott is showing enough to be a squad member. It is vital we do not block a path where one is available.

I personally believe Lo Celso will happen, but once again, Lamela looked strong today so it would give us great luxury.

I think Dybala was offered to us more than we chased him. I am sure there was Eriksen/Dybala chatter, but I personally don’t take Dybala to us seriously.

The window does this to people. But step back and we are doing it the right way IMO.

piedpiper · Jul 30, 2019

Lighty64 said:
I don't class it being stingy paying a player holiday money when he has earnt it with us. the thing is to get him that early would of cost silly money. if that cost, cost us a transfer in the winter or next summer you would be moaning without even taking that into consideration.

With the way we approach transfers I wouldn't look that far ahead. Just banter on the rest Lighty. Your argument is valid.

Ruffinthepuffin · Jul 30, 2019

rossdapep said:
Lo Celso is a minimum now

Absolutely 100% imo.

Coco-1101 · Jul 30, 2019

thfcsteff said:
I think it is fair to say that with Alderweireld, Eriksen, Rose and NKoudou once again NOT leaving (as of now) it buggers us in several ways.

First off, squad size. Massive issue. Poch does not like bloated squads. Secondly, CL homegrown quotas. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, blocking youth development. People are ignoring Skipp, yet he is on the way to being a very important squad member. Tanganga has been excellent during this pre-season and looks like the real deal. Parrott is showing enough to be a squad member. It is vital we do not block a path where one is available.

I personally believe Lo Celso will happen, but once again, Lamela looked strong today so it would give us great luxury.

I think Dybala was offered to us more than we chased him. I am sure there was Eriksen/Dybala chatter, but I personally don’t take Dybala to us seriously.

The window does this to people. But step back and we are doing it the right way IMO.

Well the problem is with all the other clubs. They don't offer us the money we want for our players and don't accept the offer from us for the payers that we want. The TW is difficult and there is no good opportunity available and DL can't do better than this.

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