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Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

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brasil_spur

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I hear you but GLC only returned to training yesterday didn't he so massively stalled is a bit of reach.

For me we were already stalling it with the "returning to training" thing, the fact this hasn't been concluded as yet to me is massive stalling, but appreciate others might not see it this way yet. IF we have another month of the window to go then fair enough, but deadline day is looming quickly.
 

Scott Spur

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Bringing this back to GLC, or any other player.

Any reasonable chairman would do the following in our current circumstances, where we are desperate for a player to fill a position;

a) negotiate the best price possible. If that means we pay more than we want, fine, make cuts in the cloth in other less pressured areas/players.
or,
b) pursue a more reasonably priced alternative as above and make sure you get him.

What you don’t do is nothing as we did three times. The problem rarely goes away and simply means you need to spend more the next TW as the situation gets desperate and find out prices have gone up.

Try driving past 15 petrol stations because you think the price is too high and see what happens.......:cautious:
 

brasil_spur

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How many other teams can afford him though and how many teams that can afford him actually need him in their team? Always a chance we could lose him but I'm hopeful if he wants to come the agent will be keeping us informed.
Not many, i'll grant you that, but it's not like we're the only option Betis definitely have this window.
 

brasil_spur

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They could, but currently they'd have to pay over the odds for him (like we are being asked to do) and they'd also have to get the player to want to join them....which might or might not be easy, as it's fairly likely that the players has been thinking he's going to be a Spurs player for the past month or so, and unless a huge club come in for him then it might be difficult to change his current mindset.

I'm not convinced we're being asked to pay over the odds, just over the "Levy price" for GLC. Other clubs are more willing to pay over the odds (aka market rate) for players sometimes. We seem to regularly stuck in this position in transfer windows where our perception of what "over the odds" can be is somewhat different to the going rate for most players.
 

wrd

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I'm not convinced we're being asked to pay over the odds, just over the "Levy price" for GLC. Other clubs are more willing to pay over the odds (aka market rate) for players sometimes. We seem to regularly stuck in this position in transfer windows where our perception of what "over the odds" can be is somewhat different to the going rate for most players.

I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.
 

Amo

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I must’ve missed this, which signings did we break our transfer record for in January and last summer?

We belatedly replaced one of our most important players while letting go two first team squad members (both seemingly without any intention to get replacements) and are looking to get rid of more.

We are weaker than last season with a week left to go.
 

JerryGarcia

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I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.
What price would Levy demand for a player of Lo Celso's quality just one year after he'd signed him though? This seems to be going the way the Berahinio deal went, let's hop Lo Celso turns out to be crap as well if it falls through :LOL:
 

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Bringing this back to GLC, or any other player.

Any reasonable chairman would do the following in our current circumstances, where we are desperate for a player to fill a position;

a) negotiate the best price possible. If that means we pay more than we want, fine, make cuts in the cloth in other less pressured areas/players.
or,
b) pursue a more reasonably priced alternative as above and make sure you get him.

What you don’t do is nothing as we did three times. The problem rarely goes away and simply means you need to spend more the next TW as the situation gets desperate and find out prices have gone up.

Try driving past 15 petrol stations because you think the price is too high and see what happens.......:cautious:

And if the manager says I want [X] or no-one - what do you then do? You sign Vincent Janssen.
 

joelstinton14

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It's so irritating that every concern is met as if people are storming the stadium to burn it down and Levy heads on a pike, It's the same in the player threads, you say one thing and that's it you must not have a clue because you're calling the player shit, you can live in the grey it's not black and white.

To be fair people posts don’t exist in a vacuum and you tend to see the same names either defending or attacking levy/players and it can get irksome. There are posters here that never have anything nice to say.
 

brasil_spur

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I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.
I think it's very tough to call. I mean with Neymar, Coutinho Griezman etc.. all going for insane amounts well over £100m, GLC at £69m is probably about right. Certainly if you look at AWB going to Utd for £50m and Pepe going to Arsenal for £72m. For me GLC is a better deal than Pepe.
 

brasil_spur

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Sure.

To prove my point, Man City - who've an infinite pot of money - were linked with Rodri as early as mid-May. Rodri has a release clause. All City had to do was what our fans are so desperate for Levy to do every single time and just 'pay the asking price'. They've pretty much got a blank cheque after all. Didn't sign him until July 4th.

It took 6 weeks for one of the richest club's on the planet to simply pay a player's release clause, yet we are expected to complete incredibly complex, multi-million pound negotiations in no time at all?

I don't buy this argument at all. There was really no competition for him and the official window to register players doesn't start until July. In this scenario there was no need to sign a player and get him in before weeks before pre season starts, as long as they get him in before pre season and a month+ before the window closes.
 

Ionman34

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Funny thing is, as soon as there’s a little bit of bad news or information you get more weirdos coming out with “oh here we go, toys out of the pram from you lot YET AGAIN” than people actually throwing their toys out of the pram...
Lol, not even close...
 

brasil_spur

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Duh! Last I checked it is called negotiation, and good negotiators will always look to create leverage. Always release info that creates leverage, never release info that loses leverage. Betis should be motivated to release info in ALL available channels to regain leverage about their need not to sell to counter the perception that they need to sell.

The trouble, and the thing poor negotiators who think they are good often forget, is that a negotiation needs to have a beneficial outcome for both sides in order to be successful. It's why Brexit is such a fucking fiasco - because both sides want to win under their best interests and they enter into "negotiations" on these terms.

If you really want to conclude a favorable negotiation then there are a number of factors you need to take into account, but mostly you need to understand what is acceptable to the other side. If you can't match that, or get very close, then the negotiation will almost always fail.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I think the 75 million or so they've been suggestion in the spanish media is beyond paying over the odds, I think it'd unwise to give into those demands, I was critical of Levy last season but I don't blame him on this one, I wouldn't want anybody else negotiating this one tbh, they're trying to take the piss.
Absolutely spot on mate and Ndomble is case in point that we are now willing and in a position to pay big money for players but at the same time that doesn’t mean we can just throw £5-10million pounds around willy nilly. This is a deal that could be at a guess anywhere from £50-75million this isn’t some small deal for an up and coming 18yr old where we could pay £5 mil or £5.5 mil to get the deal over the line, these are big boy deals now and so it is very wise to negotiate and use time accordingly. Ndomble was the priority signing which we got in early, Betis need the money, ESPECIALLY now they’ve just signed Fekir so we hold all the power here and as you say no one id rather have negotiating this than levy. If a deal can be done here it will, BUT as others have said weather we have suitable plan B’s that we can and will move for instead is another very important matter
 

fishhhandaricecake

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The trouble, and the thing poor negotiators who think they are good often forget, is that a negotiation needs to have a beneficial outcome for both sides in order to be successful. It's why Brexit is such a fucking fiasco - because both sides want to win under their best interests and they enter into "negotiations" on these terms.

If you really want to conclude a favorable negotiation then there are a number of factors you need to take into account, but mostly you need to understand what is acceptable to the other side. If you can't match that, or get very close, then the negotiation will almost always fail.
1,000% spot on. And whilst Levy is good he does come across as a little too stubborn and hard nosed which as you said isn’t always a great quality when negotiating, it is however a good safety net for us as a club not spending beyond our means.

Swings and roundabout hey.
Great post though :)
See my post above, hopefully we can get this one over the line soon.
 
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