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Ledleys Knee said:
We can sign him on a pre-contract now though. We'd be stupid to pay £7m for on early release of someone who is free.
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Disagree, as a) he could likely demand more wages at the time and b) there's no doubt he would improve our chances at higher league positioning and possibly even CL given our current lot, thus making it a worthwhile investment.
 
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Ledleys Knee said:
We can sign him on a pre-contract now though. We'd be stupid to pay £7m for on early release of someone who is free.
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How much would we need to pay as a signing on bonus? At a guess it would be around £3/4 million

Then add to the fact he might make the difference between finishing 1 or 2 places higher thus earning more money!
 
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DaSpurs said:
Disagree, as a) he could likely demand more wages at the time and b) there's no doubt he would improve our chances at higher league positioning and possibly even CL given our current lot, thus making it a worthwhile investment.
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Disagree, as a) he knows he's free in six months and isn't going to throw money away, his demands will be the same and b) there is always doubt about how much of an impact a player will make, and the odds that a player from the Ukranian league will take at least 6 months to adjust to the PL and become useful for us have to be very real indeed.
 
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ButchCassidy said:
Disagree, as a) he knows he's free in six months and isn't going to throw money away, his demands will be the same and b) there is always doubt about how much of an impact a player will make, and the odds that a player from the Ukranian league will take at least 6 months to adjust to the PL and become useful for us have to be very real indeed.
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Of course there's doubt as to the "exact extent" of impact, but IMO it's no question there would be improved chances over given what we currently have, considering we don't even have a backup to Chadli let alone an alternate. So mathematically, it's just hardly even a question after factoring in fitness and how many games we play. We currently have four players for three positions, very difficult to not improve upon the chances of success from that, especially if the current rate isn't particularly high as is. If I said "undoubtedly would improve our league position," then that's entirely different altogether.

I'd suspect his demands would be close, but not the same. Otherwise, he has no guarantee of getting a big move, or even a taker on his wages in the first place.
 
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If there is truth to our interest then I would imagine the situation would be something along the lines of us tying him down to summer contract now and if we manage to shift a few in the next couple of days then we will make a last minute attempt at bringing him in imidiatly for a small fee.

Personally, I think it makes more sense to bring him in sooner rather then later. Beyond the fact that we could do with a proper rotation option for Chadli, the sooner he can start acclimatising to the league the better. At least this way, even if he doesn't have much of an imidiate impact, he would be ready for the new season and know what to expect.
 
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If Kono is infact a player highly regarded by poch and mitchells little black book then i would be all for getting the pre-contract agreement signed and waiting for him in the summer. However, there is also something to be said for paying some spondoolies now to allow him the time to adjust before next season so he can be firing on all cylinders.
 
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Honestly, I'd be surprised if his club genuinely wanted to keep him the rest of the season. 7m is absolutely not worth whatever league positioning they'd get with him, as it's entirely unlikely even with him with daily steroid boosters that they'd overtake Shakhtar or Kiev for the automatic CL-qualifying spot. Just not worth missing out on that much cash. And if there are 3rd parties involved as it is believed, they also would be more interested in movement now rather than for free in the summer.
 
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DaSpurs said:
Disagree, as a) he could likely demand more wages at the time and b) there's no doubt he would improve our chances at higher league positioning and possibly even CL given our current lot, thus making it a worthwhile investment.
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I mean sign on a pre-contract now, not in the summer

This is more like the Holtby situation in Jan 2013, rather than say Ings now, because Kono is I) from abroad and ii) over 24. Therefore he can sign a contract today, to come to us in June for free. No need to wait till the summer and no development compensation.

I don't think 1 player will make that much difference. It needs to be about the long term, not chasing rainbows in the immediate.
 
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Ledleys Knee said:
I mean sign on a pre-contract now, not in the summer

This is more like the Holtby situation in Jan 2013, rather than say Ings now, because Kono is I) from abroad and ii) over 24. Therefore he can sign a contract today, to come to us in June for free. No need to wait till the summer and no development compensation.

I don't think 1 player will make that much difference. It needs to be about the long term, not chasing rainbows in the immediate.
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One player in an AM corps of four for three positions would very much make a difference, especially if that player is a winger in a stable consisting of only one player with multiple domestic league goals in the season.

This is also very much about consideration for the long term. Just because something happens in te future as opposed to now doesn't mean it's any more considerate of long term investment, growth, or dividends.

You're right in that those considerations make it somewhat comparable to Holtby, but the fact of the matter is a pacey, goal-scoring winger is of higher rarity than a diminutive, technical midfielder. Values for players are not entirely based on quality or nationality of player, but also rarity of skillset among other things.
 
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Mr Pink said:
Yesterday - that nothing is likely to happen.
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Ah right. Im inclined to believe JJ.

When will we ever learn. We keep buying cut price so called bargains in the summer only to try to get rid of last summers purchases in Jan and never improving. And so the cycle carries on.
 
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Hengy1 said:
How much would we need to pay as a signing on bonus? At a guess it would be around £3/4 million

Then add to the fact he might make the difference between finishing 1 or 2 places higher thus earning more money!
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He'd still want the signing on bonus now. have you factored that in to your calculations ? He isn't going to give up that signing on bonus just to join us now.
 
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Konoplyanka or mirallas ?

ings or destro ?

ayew or ntep ??

hectore moreno or winston reid ?
 
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rocklink said:
Konoplyanka or mirallas ?

ings or destro ?

ayew or ntep ??

hectore moreno or winston reid ?
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At this stage of the window, I'd say its more like Konoplyanka or Mirallas or Ings or Destro or Ayew or Ntep or Moreno or Reid? And it might still be optimistic.
 
Hengy1

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allatsea said:
He'd still want the signing on bonus now. have you factored that in to your calculations ? He isn't going to give up that signing on bonus just to join us now.
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He'd want a bigger one in the summer than he would now.
 
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