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arunspurs · Dec 18, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Bale didn't have a right foot.

Such a 1-dimensional player.

If you think Bale didnt have right foot you are naive. Truth is never in his early career he never had the need to do it. He was a LB remember ? Then became a Left footed left winger - never once in 2010/11 used in right side or centrally. The first time he was played centrally he started using his right foot. He wasnt great at it, but he didnt suck as Lamela does. Lamela literally scared to touch a ball with his right foot, Which was never the case with Bale.
Being a left back, seriously how many minutes does he have to make a pass with right foot.

To summarise -

Bale never had the need to use right foot for the role he played. Minimal things he had to with right foot, he did with right foot.
Lamela - put a gun to his head, he will rather do a rabonna than try a right footed 20m pass.

Kendall · Dec 18, 2014

arunspurs said:
If you think Bale didnt have right foot you are naive. Truth is never in his early career he never had the need to do it. He was a LB remember ? Then became a Left footed left winger - never once in 2010/11 used in right side or centrally. The first time he was played centrally he started using his right foot. He wasnt great at it, but he didnt suck as Lamela does. Lamela literally scared to touch a ball with his right foot, Which was never the case with Bale.
Being a left back, seriously who many minutes does he have to make a pass with right foot.

To summarise -

Bale never had the need to use right foot for the role he played. Minimal things he had to with right foot, he did with right foot.
Lamela - put a gun to his head, he will rather do a rabonna than try a right footed 20m pass.

I remember very good goals against Arsenal and United away with his right foot.

There's probably more but they stick in the mind.

THFCSPURS19 · Dec 18, 2014

arunspurs said:
If you think Bale didnt have right foot you are naive. Truth is never in his early career he never had the need to do it. He was a LB remember ? Then became a Left footed left winger - never once in 2010/11 used in right side or centrally. The first time he was played centrally he started using his right foot. He wasnt great at it, but he didnt suck as Lamela does. Lamela literally scared to touch a ball with his right foot, Which was never the case with Bale.
Being a left back, seriously who many minutes does he have to make a pass with right foot.

To summarise -

Bale never had the need to use right foot for the role he played. Minimal things he had to with right foot, he did with right foot.
Lamela - put a gun to his head, he will rather do a rabonna than try a right footed 20m pass.

Were you one of the guys that were angry at his rabona goal? Messi is very one-footed to a degree. As I've said many times before, it doesn't make one difference. If you're going to criticise him (which is pretty easy at the moment) at least come up with a better argument.

arunspurs · Dec 18, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Were you one of the guys that were angry at his rabona goal? Messi is very one-footed to a degree. As I've said many times before, it doesn't make one difference. If you're going to criticise him (which is pretty easy at the moment) at least come up with a better argument.

I If you cant recognize my argument, then I cant do anything about it. I have already explained on a reply to Tibsy why not having a right foot is effectively making him useless & how he is coming in the way of Eriksen & how he never makes use of the right back overlap situations
I would suggest you to go to second page or something & Read my comments. I cant repeat myself again.

Btw, I did admire his skill for that goal. But thats it. Why shouldnt I criticise someone who never does a 90minute job - He is one footed winger who cant use his other foot makes him handicapped against PL defenders. No wonder he hasnt scored in that level yet.If you think he is multi dimensional superb player - Why is there a goal drought. Surely with his "Skills", he should have done something ? Fact is its not that he hasn't scored that irks me. Any top player can have that phase ; but its the fact that he hasn't even come close to scoring a goal. Can anyone remember a PL keeper making superb save ? Can anyone remember someone making a goal line clearance ? I simply cant think of situation where he has created a chance for himself.

JonnySpurs · Dec 18, 2014

Obvious changes at the back, Walker and Davies in for Vlad and Rose.

I'd like Stambouli to play and would argue that him and Bentaleb should start but think Mason will come back in for Benji.

Only change I would make in front 4 is to drop Andros (don't rate him) and bring in Lennon preferably or if he isn't fit then Dembele in that attacking part of the pitch is becoming very useful, enjoyed his cameo last night.

Lamela needs to sit for a while.

Lloris
Walker Fazio Jan Davies
Nabil Mason
Lennon Eriksen Chadli
Kane

If we can get a 1 or 2 goal lead I'd get Benji in for Mason and Dembele on for Chadli in 2nd half.

This management lark is easy

Spursidol · Dec 18, 2014

SlumDilla said:
I'd argue that Stambouli plays the ball forward a lot faster than Mason. Mason has had a few bad games and IMO i would rest him for Stambouli.

Stambouli is better defensively than Mason (but he's not bad) whereas Mason is better at forward play.

Mason (like others) was tired at Palace after playing Chelsea midweek, but generally where Spurs play teams with 3 in the middle any of Spurs CM2 will suffer either defensively or attacking wise.

If Spurs play a midfield 3 it probably means dropping Soldado so that Kane plays at main striker or one of the AM's - likely to be Lamela Fine by me but its a change that Poch needs to make.

I like Stambouli so far, and its just a question as to who gets rotated for which matches - no player can play all the 60 odd games we hope Spurs play in 4 competitions this season.

Kendall · Dec 18, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Were you one of the guys that were angry at his rabona goal? Messi is very one-footed to a degree. As I've said many times before, it doesn't make one difference. If you're going to criticise him (which is pretty easy at the moment) at least come up with a better argument.

I think he might have worded it badly by suggesting Lamela is one dimensional because he's one footed. But like AVB says, Lamela, at this stage, isn't a player of great dimensions.

prawnsandwich · Dec 18, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
team'll be

lloris
walker fazio vertonghen davies
lamela mason bentaleb eriksen
soldado kane

I think you are probably right.

Spursidol · Dec 18, 2014

TropicalYid said:
Agree. But its still so frustrating to watch him play. His runs are all over the place, his delivering is poor. He should not be in the starting XI. I must admit i have lost faith in adros. If we can get some money for him in january i say sell.

He's improved a lot once coached away from AVB's version of attack with orders to shoot on site if there is no usafe pass into the box and is probably a good deal more effective than Lamela now (with Lamela's good things outweighed by his frequesnt loss of posession and crazy tackles).

arunspurs · Dec 18, 2014

Spursidol said:
Stambouli is better defensively than Mason (but he's not bad) whereas Mason is better at forward play.

Mason (like others) was tired at Palace after playing Chelsea midweek, but generally where Spurs play teams with 3 in the middle any of Spurs CM2 will suffer either defensively or attacking wise.

If Spurs play a midfield 3 it probably means dropping Soldado so that Kane plays at main striker or one of the AM's - likely to be Lamela Fine by me but its a change that Poch needs to make.

I like Stambouli so far, and its just a question as to who gets rotated for which matches - no player can play all the 60 odd games we hope Spurs play in 4 competitions this season.

100% agree.

For a 23 yr old Mason has actually played very less football professionally - so I really doubt his ability to get fit every 3 days. We need to be patient with him & use him correctly. Mason's strength is his ability to always play forward. He tries to take high risk options unlike standard passing. Bentaleb does simple things very well and in recent games he is slowly improving in his creativity as a CM. Stambouli has done well brilliantly - he has a wild streak in him to attack. Its a matter of knowing when to press forward & when to stay.

IMO, all 3 deserves to start. So, whoever starts of the three am happy.

harry's chin · Dec 18, 2014

i feel more confident that we will score when Chadli is on the pitch as opposed to Lamela

I would also give Stambouli a run against Burnley

talkshowhost86 · Dec 18, 2014

harry's chin said:
i feel more confident that we will score when Chadli is on the pitch as opposed to Lamela

I would also give Stambouli a run against Burnley

100% agree. If Chadli is fit after last night then it shouldn't even be a contest.

Spursidol · Dec 18, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
The only reason he didn't play there for Roma was because of Totti. He played there before he went to Roma, I believe. Even if you ignore that, it's still easy to see that Lamela has all the attributes to play very well at CAM and probably much better than at RM.

Yes Totti was better than Lamela at no 10 so Lamela played as a right sided forward, and as we all saw on youtube scored a load of goals and got lots of assists playing in a team alongside good attacking players in a league which is now a lot weaker than it used to be. And that's the basis Spurs probably bought him on for zillions of pounds.

He played as a no 10 at River Plate when about 18.

However just as at Roma, Spurs have options at no 10 who have proved very successfiul in both Kane and Eriksen - and there are players such as Chadli and Paulhino who fancy their chances there too.

So Lamelela needs to show he can replicate his Roma form in a similar right sided forward position - and so far he's showing that he's finding that very difficult with few decent performances or goals in PL, although a couple of better performances in EL.

Spursidol · Dec 18, 2014

eddiebailey said:
Our strongest team is coming together.

Loris obviously is nailed on, and three of the back four are decided (Walker, Fazio, Vertonghen) while Rose and Davies are both acceptable options on the left.

Bentaleb is doing very well, and there is choice to be made between Mason and Stambouli that should be taken on a game by game basis. (There are games where I would like to see all three play in a 4-3-3 but that is probably not going to happen.)

Eriksen looks good in he No 10 role, with Chadli cutting in from the left, while Kane is an automatic selection, albeit lone striker is not his best role.

The problem position is wide right, the candidates being Lamela, Townsend, Lennon and Dembele.

Lennon can probably be discounted unless for tactical reasons we switch to 4-4-2 for individual games (which at times we should).

Lamela for all his undoubted talent does not provide enough individual brilliance to compensate for the deleterious impact he has on our team play: I am not convinced that as things stand we can afford to be patient with him. His role at the moment should be impact sub.

Townsend comes in for similar criticism, but does at least stretch defences. With a return to full fitness and a willingness to listen to coaches he could make the position his own, but he is not there yet.

Dembele has shown before he can play in an advanced role (though only against Newcastle!) The issue with him is always hs willingness to take responsibility, but playing him in a position where a five yards sideways pass is not an option could be he making of him.

That for me now is the core of the squad, with Vorm and Dier as the principal back up. The rest are dispensable; our key priority for the January transfer window is a striker to take some of the weight off Kane's shoulders and allow us to play him sometimes in a deeper role. (I have given up on Soldado while Adebayor is in the last chance saloon.)

So for Burnley:

Loris

Walker Fazio Vertonghen Davies

Bentaleb Mason

Dembele Eriksen Chadli

Kane

Subs: Vorm, Rose, Dier, Stambouli, Lamela, Townsend, Adebayor.

Good coherent explanation of your side - a couple of players I might choose different arguments (for example I'm not convinced about Dembele at RW and would marginally prefer Townsend) but its fine tuning

Spursidol · Dec 18, 2014

arunspurs said:
100% agree.

For a 23 yr old Mason has actually played very less football professionally - so I really doubt his ability to get fit every 3 days. We need to be patient with him & use him correctly. Mason's strength is his ability to always play forward. He tries to take high risk options unlike standard passing. Bentaleb does simple things very well and in recent games he is slowly improving in his creativity as a CM. Stambouli has done well brilliantly - he has a wild streak in him to attack. Its a matter of knowing when to press forward & when to stay.

IMO, all 3 deserves to start. So, whoever starts of the three am happy.

Yup, its worth emphasising that point - Mason has made starts in about 10 PL games (and 50 in League 1 starts) so in terms of playing experience he's more like a 19 or 20 year old, and needs recuperation time as well as 'sp ace' to develop and refine his game. Pretty sure he will be a loit better in 12 months time if given the playing opportunity.

Snarfalicious · Dec 18, 2014

------------------- Lloris ---------------------
Walker -- Fazio ------ Verts --- Davies
---- Stambouli --------- Bentaleb -------
-- Lennon -------Eriksen------- Chadli --
-------------------- Kane --------------------

eddiebailey · Dec 18, 2014

Spursidol said:
Yup, its worth emphasising that point - Mason has made starts in about 10 PL games (and 50 in League 1 starts) so in terms of playing experience he's more like a 19 or 20 year old, and needs recuperation time as well as 'sp ace' to develop and refine his game. Pretty sure he will be a loit better in 12 months time if given the playing opportunity.

There was an article in the Standard where Poch said about how much work they had had to do on Mason's fitness.

Francis Gibbs · Dec 18, 2014

Lloris
Walker Fazio Verts Davies
Bentaleb Dembele
Lennon Chadli
Eriksen
Kane

GMI · Dec 18, 2014

arunspurs said:
If you think Bale didnt have right foot you are naive. Truth is never in his early career he never had the need to do it. He was a LB remember ? Then became a Left footed left winger - never once in 2010/11 used in right side or centrally. The first time he was played centrally he started using his right foot. He wasnt great at it, but he didnt suck as Lamela does. Lamela literally scared to touch a ball with his right foot, Which was never the case with Bale.
Being a left back, seriously how many minutes does he have to make a pass with right foot.

To summarise -

Bale never had the need to use right foot for the role he played. Minimal things he had to with right foot, he did with right foot.
Lamela - put a gun to his head, he will rather do a rabonna than try a right footed 20m pass.

When playing on the right hand side I remember Bale using the outside of his left boot to ping perfect crosses in to the box a few times. He was cool.

Zlatan · Dec 18, 2014

Lloris
Walker - Fazio - Jan - Davies
Stambouli - Bentaleb
Lamela - Eriksen - Chadli
Kane

Vorm, Dier, Rose, Mason, Dembele, Townsend, Soldado.

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