The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 27th July 2014

SargeantMeatCurtains · Jul 27, 2014

Barry Mead said:
Interesting post from one of the lads on FTL

This evening I went for a pizza at Pizza East in London's trendy Notting Hill. As I was paying I noticed Baldini lurking around waiting for a table, so I said he could have mine.

Anyway, I asked if he was getting us a striker or any other signings. He said yes, "2 or 3 before end of August". What a surprise.

I then said thank god Sherwood was gone. He laughed and said he isn't a manager, but might be in the future. Surprisingly diplomatic.

Then said Lamela is going to tear it up this season. He said he's surprised when he doesn't score in games because he's that good. Also said "they" ruined him last year, because he was very young, shy and in a new country. This season things will be different.

Finally, said he thought we "finally" have a manager now in Poch. Seemed very encouraged by him

Thanks for passing on, but i find that incredibly hard to believe.

SpurSince57 · Jul 27, 2014

St José Dominguez said:
I actually think that is the price for a quality CB now. There's a serious lack of quality in that position currently. If I had the choice I'd much rather spend that and therefore sort our defence than spend it on another attacking player.

But what do you mean by a 'quality' CB? From what I've seen of Lovren, he strikes me as being good, but not top drawer.

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Thanks for passing on, but i find that incredibly hard to believe.

It's so completely generic it's probably true. If was gonna make up something I'd put at least some spice into it. If it's a pizza, it's a plain cheese one.

Mr Pink · Jul 27, 2014

Colonel Dax said:
Don't mind waiting until nearer the deadline for a LW or a CM if needed, but IMO a new centre back needs to be in place before the start of the season. A solid, settled defence is vital if we're to get off to a good start.

Going for a forward later on would make sense anyway as Poch will probably really want to assess the strength of Soldado, Ade and Kane... and he might view that as enough.

We'll probably play the long game over Schneiderlin, that won't get done quickly if it ends up getting done at all, fingers crossed.

But yeah, a CB needs addressed the most urgently.

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
But what do you mean by a 'quality' CB? From what I've seen of Lovren, he strikes me as being good, but not top drawer.

Personally I rate him. He's obviously not the level of a Kompany. Quality in what I was talking were likes of Manolas, Schar. A step up in terms of what we have. Top drawer are very rare currently, only think there's 3/4 in whole of PL.

SargeantMeatCurtains · Jul 27, 2014

Our top priority is definitely a CB.

I dont think they need to be 'world class' or even a big name, just somebody who has a malleable style of play, a good football brain, and premier league experience.

Without trying to throw names around with no real substance, my #1 realistic choice would be Matija Nastasic...

ryantegan · Jul 27, 2014

Liverpool have paid £40m for Lovren and Sakho. Absolute madness, in genuinely not sure i would want either as my main CB

SpurSince57 · Jul 27, 2014

Colonel Dax said:
Don't mind waiting until nearer the deadline for a LW or a CM if needed, but IMO a new centre back needs to be in place before the start of the season. A solid, settled defence is vital if we're to get off to a good start.

Doesn't this depend on Kaboul's fitness? If he gets back to even 90% of what he was in 2011-12 (and allowing for the Ledley factor) he's better than any of the names we've been linked with.

A solid, settled defence doesn't depend on individuals. Remember, we were as solid in 2005-06 as we've ever been, but the only member of our line-up then that would get picked today is Ledley.

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

Mr Pink said:
Going for a forward later on would make sense anyway as Poch will probably really want to assess the strength of Soldado, Ade and Kane... and he might view that as enough.

We'll probably play the long game over Schneiderlin, that won't get done quickly if it ends up getting done at all, fingers crossed.

But yeah, a CB needs addressed the most urgently.

I'm still not writing off Pochettino being completely ok with his options in midfield and attack.
Defence I'd be stunned. We needed a CB in before season started, I wonder if Moreno was the aim and now it's back to drawing board.

thinktank · Jul 27, 2014

ryantegan said:
Liverpool have paid £40m for Lovren and Sakho. Absolute madness, in genuinely not sure i would want either as my main CB

I was gonna say...if we face those two, I'd fancy our attack to give them nightmares.

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

ryantegan said:
Liverpool have paid £40m for Lovren and Sakho. Absolute madness, in genuinely not sure i would want either as my main CB

Main no. To play alongside Vertonghen I wouldn't have complained.

LiamJM10 · Jul 27, 2014

As good as Lovren is, he's never convinced me he's a 20m defender. For that you expect someone of the highest level, no errors, no bullshit. I don't think you get that with him. The way Soldado mugged him for the equilizer at the Lane last year was ridiculous. I'm sure he did exactly the same in the Brazil game too, but wasn't punished.

Good signing for them, but for a club with limited finance, I'm glad we avoided it. Vertonghen/Kaboul/Vlad are good enough options if they remain fit. Really the only reason we're looking for a CB is because of injury, not because of a lack of quality.

Mr Pink · Jul 27, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
Doesn't this depend on Kaboul's fitness? If he gets back to even 90% of what he was in 2011-12 (and allowing for the Ledley factor) he's better than any of the names we've been linked with.

A solid, settled defence doesn't depend on individuals. Remember, we were as solid in 2005-06 as we've ever been, but the only member of our line-up then that would get picked today is Ledley.

There was more emphasis on defending back then though wasn't there? Full backs were proper defenders not what we have today were their attacking contribution is massive for most teams. Teams generally attack more and take more risks in their play these days.

Agree regarding Kaboul...when fully fit he's miles better than what we're being linked with.

SpurSince57 · Jul 27, 2014

St José Dominguez said:
I'm still not writing off Pochettino being completely ok with his options in midfield and attack.
Defence I'd be stunned. We needed a CB in before season started, I wonder if Moreno was the aim and now it's back to drawing board.

The only thing I'd say there is that 30 of the goals we conceded last season—well over 50%—came in just seven games. For the other 31, we were pretty sound.

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

LiamJM10 said:
As good as Lovren is, he's never convinced me he's a 20m defender. For that you expect someone of the highest level, no errors, no bullshit. I don't think you get that with him. The way Soldado mugged him for the equilizer at the Lane last year was ridiculous. I'm sure he did exactly the same in the Brazil game too, but wasn't punished.

Good signing for them, but for a club with limited finance, I'm glad we avoided it. Vertonghen/Kaboul/Vlad are good enough options if they remain fit. Really the only reason we're looking for a CB is because of injury, not because of a lack of quality.

That is a huge reason imo.

Mr Pink · Jul 27, 2014

Swansea linked with a move for Naughton tonight. If any mileage in that it would fuel the speculation regarding Richards, who could cover RB and CB, unless of course Poch intends to keep Fredericks in and around the first team.

Gedson100 · Jul 27, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
The only thing I'd say there is that 30 of the goals we conceded last season—well over 50%—came in just seven games. For the other 31, we were pretty sound.

Aye, but our whole problem is matching & attempting to overcome the teams that scored for fun against us. We'll do as well as ever against the lesser teams, that's the way this league is these days...

But, anyway...

St José Dominguez · Jul 27, 2014

SpurSince57 said:
The only thing I'd say there is that 30 of the goals we conceded last season—well over 50%—came in just seven games. For the other 31, we were pretty sound.

Yeah I get that, but also need to take into consideration the change in style under Pochettino can make a team susceptible. We need CBs who are very comfortable on the ball, with errors cut to a premium. My concern entirely resides from fact I can't be convinced Kaboul and Chiriches are going to be available for the majority of games. If that was assured I'd be fine with things as are tbh.

ShaunL84 · Jul 27, 2014

Richards is fucking crap.. we should be over Nastasic if we are signing somebody from City.
Sick and tired of signing clumsy defenders with no intelligence; get rid of Rose, Dawson and Kaboul.

gregga · Jul 27, 2014

jair1970 said:
True; a centre back at that price? That's just not the market we operate in.

Has there ever been an (anti) fire sale like we're seeing with this Southampton squad before? They're all desperate to leave and yet the chairman is managing to hold out for silly money.

Yes they were a decent side last season, but there's no way that team was/is worth >£100m.

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