Dean
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Is there a 'deluded' rating?
The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread 19/20 July 2014
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Blake Griffin
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what would they sell him for? they obviously can't rate him too highly anymore if they've just brought lukasz fabianski in to replace him.
Norvern Munkey
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A quick thought on the GK situation..... particularly in training rotations.... if you have 2 at a similar level (lets not split hairs on whether vorm is as good as loris please thats not the point im making) in training they compete with each other, call it oneupmanship, whatever....... add to that mix brad, whose best years are behind him, no doubt about it, but who even now cannot be classed as a mug (he was awesome last night!) And you have 3 very good GKs going at it in training, 2 current internationals and 1 seeking to make a name as a coach....... tell me that wont help archer and the youngsters coming through. The in training competition is the key, as someone has previously stated to keep pushing loris.
if its a multiplayer deal, then the 5 mill is arbitrary at best and may be factored purely based on outstanding future sales deals that swansea have outstanding. I.e. vorm might not have a sell on clause due to his prev club so the weighting might be slanted in his favour (none of know the real ins and outs of anybodies deals) add tobthat its supposition regarding the 5 mill in any case.
if its a multiplayer deal, then the 5 mill is arbitrary at best and may be factored purely based on outstanding future sales deals that swansea have outstanding. I.e. vorm might not have a sell on clause due to his prev club so the weighting might be slanted in his favour (none of know the real ins and outs of anybodies deals) add tobthat its supposition regarding the 5 mill in any case.
Ledleys Knee
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Another thing is that keepers get absolutely destroyed by not playing. 2 years as back-up GK during peak years will ruin anyone's career. It's why every club has either an old pro or a journeyman.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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So lets hear your opinion?
£5m is more than the following RICHER clubs have spent on their 2nd GK:
Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, PSG, Monaco, and AC Milan.
So why is this is a sensible move?
Norvern Munkey
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Because none of those clubs are anticipating that somewhere, sometime somebody Is gonna make em an offer they cant refuse for their no 1, maybe not this season but its likely to happen at somepoint....
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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Good point. Simon Jones piece in the Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Michael-Vorm-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-going-way.html
May not be true or accurate.
The debate I joined was whether it's good value.
TEESSIDE1
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My opinion is the same as the other 99.99% of users on here who know the club desperately need a new solid number 2 keeper who can be relied upon should Lloris get injured. £5m for a keeper who can most likely still perform at the highest level for the next 5-6 years is nothing.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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Nobody disputes we need a solid no.2.
Vorm is a good player, I wouldn't be unhappy with him.
But we're not cash rich.
Even those who are don't spend that on their 2nd GKs.
We need 3-4 starting XI players.
And we've a stadium to build.
I'd rather we used our resources better, but we'll agree to disagree.
Darrkespur
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It really depends what the other two players are valued at - is Sigurdsson worth 6m? 12m? Is Davies worth 10m, 8m, 12m? I'm imagining if the deal is worth £15M it's probably mostly our valuation of Sigurdsson - i think complaining about a £5M valuation for Vorm is a little pointless as in this kind of deal the valuations will all be interlinked anyway.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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Best argument I've heard.
It's an expensive motivational tool.
Maybe if we had a lot more money, or needed less surgery elsewhere in the team I could agree.
JamieSpursCommunityUser
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Yeah ok, but why would tie up money solving a problem we don't yet have - ie replacing Lloris.
When we've bigger problems to solve right now?
CB, LWF, St (,LB) etc
absolute bobbins
Am Yisrael Chai
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OK Mr. Price, Waterhouse or Cooper, please enlighten us about the current state of Spurs finances.
THFCSPURS19
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It's called securing your future.
You know- that thing that the majority of people (who can afford to) try and do.
Norvern Munkey
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Because the potential suitors arent gonna wait till Its right for us. We have a lot of cover elsewhere (whether you think its adequate or not is immaterial - there is talent in the wings for most of those positions except LB and even then im seeing some potential in fryers). But GK is a position of risk at moment. if say PSG flash their cash tomorrow we would be screwed.
if we dont get a lwf we have chadli, townsend, falque, ceballos, kane, eriksen, townsend, lamela, lennon, holtby and fuckitt even danny rose who can do a job there..... I want the same as you but its not vital surgery like a heart transplant, its cosmetic surgery like botox ee are looking for.
CB and LB I will give you do need addressing.
ST what we have is sufficient, just need to use and feed them. Drogba in his prime would have struggled on the scraps ee have been feeding ade and bobby
Barry Mead
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Well wages wise at least Gomes's wages are gone now so imagine Vorm's will offset that saving, then of course Davies wage will be offset with what's freed up by Siggy going. Net two players up, 2 players down, 1 home grown and one overseas player up same down
If it does work out as some kind of swap I imagine Swans will have insisted on more for Davies than they pay for Siggy and as we are the ones who appear to have the greater interest and need, then tying up a decent quality left back with a lot of potential and a decent quality cover keeper looks a decent enough deal for a comparatively small cash outlay.
I would imagine in this kind of two way deal we would be talking direct rather than via agents, so I guess no agent costs either. I just can't see it as bad, for sure there may be better options but a lot of those options could be difficult. If the deals are finalised in the next couple of days we can then switch attention to other needs
If it does work out as some kind of swap I imagine Swans will have insisted on more for Davies than they pay for Siggy and as we are the ones who appear to have the greater interest and need, then tying up a decent quality left back with a lot of potential and a decent quality cover keeper looks a decent enough deal for a comparatively small cash outlay.
I would imagine in this kind of two way deal we would be talking direct rather than via agents, so I guess no agent costs either. I just can't see it as bad, for sure there may be better options but a lot of those options could be difficult. If the deals are finalised in the next couple of days we can then switch attention to other needs
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And how much do they pay them in salaries? What's the TCO???
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Roynie
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I Like Grey Fox's entry in the RO:
Been told Davies will be announced today or tomorrow, Siggy going the other way, but seperate deals so might be a day or two later. Rose is not a happy bunny and if the right bid comes in he will be off. Poch has told a number of the youngsters that they will get game time this season and a chance to prove themselves. Immediate expectations have been lowered but 4th is still the target and long term expectations are high.
Sounds like things are on the move.
Been told Davies will be announced today or tomorrow, Siggy going the other way, but seperate deals so might be a day or two later. Rose is not a happy bunny and if the right bid comes in he will be off. Poch has told a number of the youngsters that they will get game time this season and a chance to prove themselves. Immediate expectations have been lowered but 4th is still the target and long term expectations are high.
Sounds like things are on the move.
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