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The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread - The Groundhog Day Edition 22/23 June 2013

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Bobbins

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Adam Smith was actually dropped a few times by Millwall. I think those who are saying he's ready for premier league football are 'again', potentially guilty of over-egging the abilities of one of our youngsters.

That's not even close to being true Bear. I watch a lot of Millwall and go to the den regularly - Smith was rested during part of their FA cup run, and towards the end of the season Jackett insisted on trying various different teams and formations in his desperation to avoid the drop (including a hilarious 3-4-3 attempt at home to Warford I think it was he had to completely change at half time), and most Millwall fans were nonplussed whenever smith didn't play, as the consensus was that he was clearly too good for them. He had two poor games all season.

The same goes for Kane, who pretty much tore up the championship when Jackett finally paired him up front with Henderson (Kane played off him as a number 10) and he ended up with a 1-in-2 goal ratio.

I can tell you for a fact that Millwall fans would bite our arms off to have either of them back but know they should be playing PL football.

Smith is already better than Walker technically, but lacks his physical prowess and still needs to erase a few mistakes. He'd be good for a Palace-type side. People writing off Kane are mental - he's 19 FFS! Just a kid!
 

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Streuth Sav - take a breath!

Kind of agree with you on a couple of points. I do think though we will buy a decent left back when we shift Bennie, although not sure on the club's position re. Danny Rose.

Don't agree about Ade though, and it's weird your valuation of him v Defoe.

Valuation as we only paid 6 for him and he somewhat flopped, add this to the fact that he comes across as lazy and arrogant and not many clubs will want to pay much for him so we will have to let him go cheap to get rid. Also wages form part of the package and he will always want high wages. On Defoe I feel English players always go for more money (bent, carroll, henderson for example) than there probably worth, and Defoe will get goals so can see teams like stoke, Everton, fulham, paying up to eight or ten mill to get someone like Defoe... Just speculating though.
Don't think rose is even bench worthy due to his inability to defend. Bemused at how many ppl want him as our left back next season! Can't ppl remember the last time he played left back for us?! Who will we buy at left back tho? Would like Luke shaw but can't think of anyone else that would be available for a decent price..?
 

Riandor

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Just read fenerbache are after benny and stoke are after rose for 6 mil!
Get rid of rose for that! Worth nowhere near that, the man can't defend!
Also sell benny as a player who open confesses he doesn't enjoy football just can't cut it for me. Also get close to 10 mil for him. The recent trend for players going to turkey could mean someone could take Ade from us kindly! I'd accept as low as 3 mil for him as would get rid of his ridiculous wages and prevent us from being stuck with him. But if one of these mega rich teams cone in for him, which I believe they could (turkey or Russia) then we could get a higher fee...
Find it strange our left backs ate being linked with transfers away but we haven't been linked to any left backs to replace them.
On players coming in, sign Paulinho up before someone offers more money! And sign villa up ASAP! Be perfect for our attack. Holds the ball up brilliantly, Is intelligent, great vision and passing, great poacher and can also take people on and score screamers regularly! I don't care if he's 31. 10 mil is a bargain and he got 2 seasons in him easily although I believe he can be a top 4 and CL striker until 35 due to his technical ability. Also knows how to win (something we haven't really got in our squad, what has anyone won?) and will pass experience and knowledge on to everyone. Aswel as being a marque player to attract more players to us. Still think we need another top striker (not sure on benteke for 20 mil) as I'd play villa to left of forward 3 like he does for Spain, or as one of front 2 with bale behind.
So sign two forwards, sell Ade, keep Defoe, Liam the rest. (I'd probably let Defoe go if he wants first team football out of respect for him tho, could get 8-10 mil for him)

Cant see us selling both LB's this summer unless we have a decent player lined up.
I could understand both going IF we do, as Vertonghen can back up for example. Not sure LB is top of our priority list just yet though and our irons are firmly in other fires.

But there have been rumours of there being plenty of offers for our players, so who knows.
 

mpickard2087

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Valuation as we only paid 6 for him and he somewhat flopped, add this to the fact that he comes across as lazy and arrogant and not many clubs will want to pay much for him so we will have to let him go cheap to get rid. Also wages form part of the package and he will always want high wages. On Defoe I feel English players always go for more money (bent, carroll, henderson for example) than there probably worth, and Defoe will get goals so can see teams like stoke, Everton, fulham, paying up to eight or ten mill to get someone like Defoe... Just speculating though.
Don't think rose is even bench worthy due to his inability to defend. Bemused at how many ppl want him as our left back next season! Can't ppl remember the last time he played left back for us?! Who will we buy at left back tho? Would like Luke shaw but can't think of anyone else that would be available for a decent price..?

Yes lets judge him on a couple of games last season when he was pitched in when undoubtedly very rusty after sitting on the bench all season.

Remember when Assou Ekotto initially struggled, then improved?
Remember when Kaboul had a lot to learn, went away, came back, fans had misgivings but he had grown up and become a much more consistent, and very good centreback?
Remember when it wasn't happening for Bale for whatever reason, until a couple of seasons in it clicked?

That's a pretty lazy argument based on very little evidence. He has done as much as he can do on loan to deserve a chance to compete at left back and with more games under his belt now at left back I'd be staggered if he hasn't improved. Luke Shaw has a lot to learn still himself.
 

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As I sit here looking out of the office window, I can see butterflies flitting across the lawn, resting briefly here and there on an upturned daisy as it stretches out for one last hit of sunshine. The lengthening shadows perfectly frame a songbird as it chirps its happy tune and in the distance, sheep are grazing contentedly not knowing the part they play in this idyllic scene. A ladybird lands on my arm, its zephyr like touch caressing the hair on my arm. I smile. A happy smile, for some ITK has just been PM'd to me and I like what I hear..........

Suddenly, the office door opens and Mrs A&C enters, sniffs the air and asks 'Have you just had a shit you dirty ****?'

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a summer at the Château Mont-Choisi finishing school for ladies in Switzerland does for you.
 

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Seems like lots of people are writing off the current squad. We have a lot of quality and some players who, in an ideal world, would be replaced but this is not ever going to happen.
As far as it goes, we have
Lloris with Friedel as backup - happy with that
Vertongen and Kaboul as first choice with Caulker and Dawson as backup - again, can't see much wrong
BAE and Rose - OK, so defending is a bit of a weakness with both but they are both "Spurs players" in my eyes and give us something going forward - so we have to wince when they are called upon to defend but, that's life!
Walker and Naughton - see above!
Sandro, Dembele and Parker/Thudd (one of which will probably go if Paulinho comes in) - no probs there
Lennon, Holtby, Bale, Carroll, Siggy - a good bunch to pick from and I would like to think there is an addition coming in there.
Defoe, Ade, Dempsey plus one or more from Villa, Damiao, Bernard, A N Other plus some promising youth.

We have a good squad. We can't have 22 first team players who all expect to play every game. There are some positions where some investment could help but it is just a case of slotting one in where another goes out. The fear is that we sell (e.g. BAE and Rose) before the replacements are found and tested - Fryers is apparently not ready and I would prefer someone in each position who knows the team, tactics and league alongside any new player coming in.
 

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As I sit here looking out of the office window, I can see butterflies flitting across the lawn, resting briefly here and there on an upturned daisy as it stretches out for one last hit of sunshine. The lengthening shadows perfectly frame a songbird as it chirps its happy tune and in the distance, sheep are grazing contentedly not knowing the part they play in this idyllic scene. A ladybird lands on my arm, its zephyr like touch caressing the hair on my arm. I smile. A happy smile, for some ITK has just been PM'd to me and I like what I hear..........

Suddenly, the office door opens and Mrs A&C enters, sniffs the air and asks 'Have you just had a shit you dirty ****?'

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a summer at the Château Mont-Choisi finishing school for ladies in Switzerland does for you.

gwan then
 

Parkie

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As I sit here looking out of the office window, I can see butterflies flitting across the lawn, resting briefly here and there on an upturned daisy as it stretches out for one last hit of sunshine. The lengthening shadows perfectly frame a songbird as it chirps its happy tune and in the distance, sheep are grazing contentedly not knowing the part they play in this idyllic scene. A ladybird lands on my arm, its zephyr like touch caressing the hair on my arm. I smile. A happy smile, for some ITK has just been PM'd to me and I like what I hear..........

Suddenly, the office door opens and Mrs A&C enters, sniffs the air and asks 'Have you just had a shit you dirty ****?'

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what a summer at the Château Mont-Choisi finishing school for ladies in Switzerland does for you.
ITK you say?
Bleat damn you, goat!
 

Parkie

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BTW, Disco Benny has been posting pics of his holidays this year - should I update the pic?

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Archibald&Crooks

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I'm a relaxed yoke these days when it comes to this thread going off topic, fuck it, it's quiet, there's not much ITK about, so yeah, it's going to happen. But appraisals of the current squad? I mean, Spurs Chat is full of that shit. It's one of the main reasons for its existence. How do you all think Spurs Chat feels about this neglect? Yes, that's right. Forums have feelings.

Turn it in please.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Oh yeah the ITK.......Erm who hasn't donated yet? Cos this is exciting shit*

* To me it is. SC cannot accept responsibility for any lethargy you might feel when you read it.
 

Parkie

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I'm a relaxed yoke these days when it comes to this thread going off topic, fuck it, it's quiet, there's not much ITK about, so yeah, it's going to happen. But appraisals of the current squad? I mean, Spurs Chat is full of that shit. It's one of the main reasons for its existence. How do you all think Spurs Chat feels about this neglect? Yes, that's right. Forums have feelings.

Turn it in please.
Chuck us a morsel of ITK then!
If there's none down the side of the couch, make it up! Anything.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Relax, i'm making a fucking cryptic out of it. Bollocks to the lot of you, this one will make Blue and Yellow pale into insignificance.
 
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