The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE POST MORTEM 1st February

Spurs_Bear · May 16, 2013

Toela65 said:
I can categorically state that as of yesterday LFC are not interested in Caulker.

They have a list of about 5/6 targets their after right now but Caulker isn't on that list unless something has drastically changed in the last couple of days. Its the whole ex-Rodger's player thing again, which, in a lot of ways, is a fair enough argument, but not this time.

Hope that helps.

No, but it made us laugh.

Misfit · May 16, 2013

And Lord Byron enters the room...

Mouse! · May 16, 2013

Roynie said:
Well he is only 18 and is, therefore, unlikely to break into the senior squad for another couple of seasons at least. Caulker is nearly 4 years older and isn't a regular yet. It just seems to me that DL would want to try and get someone a bit nearer the first team than Veljkovic, as promising as he is. Let's face it a lot of really promising youngsters fail to reach their expectations and to assume that he will break through would be a tad irresponsible of the club.

That was my point, if we are bringing in another CB it will be someone established and he will most likely be replacing Dawson.

kr1978 · May 16, 2013

chrissivad said:
if you havent already, can you sling the pic my way in a PM

always the best ITK is when people bump into players....

just reminds me of the kid with Zokora

And the holtby huntelaar one as well

super_ed · May 16, 2013

chrissivad said:
if you havent already, can you sling the pic my way in a PM

always the best ITK is when people bump into players....

just reminds me of the kid with Zokora

PM sent

CJMurray · May 16, 2013

Spurs_Bear said:
Mate, King pissed all over Caulker at the age of 21.

Fair enough, I would have been about 6 at the time to I don't remember him at that age. My point was just that King probably didn't look like he would turn out as godly as he did in the end.

Caulker's excelled at all three of his loan spells and is a prodigious talent in my eyes. I think that if had a consistent run in the team in a consistent defence (as he had last year at Swansea most of the time) then he would look far better. We would be nuts to sell him.

Anyway, this is probably for another thread...

Mouse! · May 16, 2013

Players mature at different rates. Defenders especially don't peak until around 30 usually. Andrea Barzagli for example was a late bloomer. Jonny Evans at Man Utd looked like a terrible CB until around the age of 24, but Fergie persisted with him and now he is pretty darn solid.

Sum Monsterism · May 16, 2013

CJMurray said:
I'll be off the scale mad if we sell Caulker to those bin dipping ****'s.

Best home grown player we've developed in years and people are prepared to sell him ffs. He's 21. I bet Ledley King didn't look like he was going to turn out to be as good as he did at 21. Probably had people writing him off as well.

Ledley looked like a future Tottenham captain and all round decent chap during his momma's prenatal scans.

ilikeost · May 16, 2013

I hope we don't sell Caulker. He haven't been bad when he gets a game right? Unless we got a insane offer for him I don't see the point of selling him.

Misfit · May 16, 2013

CJMurray said:
Fair enough, I would have been about 6 at the time to I don't remember him at that age. My point was just that King probably didn't look like he would turn out as godly as he did in the end.

Caulker's excelled at all three of his loan spells and is a prodigious talent in my eyes. I think that if had a consistent run in the team in a consistent defence (as he had last year at Swansea most of the time) then he would look far better. We would be nuts to sell him.

Anyway, this is probably for another thread...

In fact, the heights Ledders reached in about 04 were as good as it got. What we've seen for the last 8 yrs weren't his peak, for obvious reasons. His peak yrs as a player were all played with no cartilage in one knee. The injury that started it all occurred during his debut. Then we look at how Ledley played, save last season when he simply couldn't do the impossible and well... We'll never know just how good King might have been and then we think about how well he played. Mind properly fucked eh?

The dude was next level.

Sorry for hijack, I still love Ledley. Will always always be my favourite player and I still haven't seen anyone with as much natural talent play for THFC with my own eyes. Been a few to come close but nobody has matched him yet.

nedley · May 16, 2013

EnfieldYiddo said:
I'd take 10 mill + for Caulker, he's good in the air but look clumsy up against anyone with any guile or pace. Don't see him ever being anything more than a squad player unfortunately.

You do know he's 21 right?

Sum Monsterism · May 16, 2013

nedley said:
You do know he's 21 right?

who, enfieldyiddo? that would explain...

(edit: oi spammer! lighten up - twas a joke. you poor thing.)

Misfit · May 16, 2013

nedley said:
You do know he's 21 right?

Yep. Still a puppy in terms of CBs. He's already shown talent. We'll only know if he's eternally clumsy or whether he'll improve those aspects of his game with experience. If he does improve them then we'll have a very good CB on our hands, and already have a promising one who has provided good depth already.

He's under contract for a while yet anyway so no need to panic either way. Hopefully he developes further, and there's no reason to think he won't and when the time comes to sign on for longer, he decides to.

Hoddle&Waddle · May 16, 2013

Toela65 said:
I can categorically state that as of yesterday LFC are not interested in Caulker.

They have a list of about 5/6 targets their after right now but Caulker isn't on that list unless something has drastically changed in the last couple of days. Its the whole ex-Rodger's player thing again, which, in a lot of ways, is a fair enough argument, but not this time.

Hope that helps.

Unless you can prove you know Brendan Rodgers personally and know whats going on in his head I dont think you can "categorically state that as of yesterday LFC are not interested in Caulker".

chrissivad · May 16, 2013

There is a difference between wanting a player and us selling a player.

Just depends on how you read Caulkers response.
Trying to keep it quiet or just to stop the story that Liverpool want him as he is happy here

Lo Amo Speroni · May 16, 2013

Spurs_Bear said:
Mate, King pissed all over Caulker at the age of 21.

King started playing in midfield and was a totally different player to Caulker (who I don't want to sell) but King was miles ahead at 21.

WiganSpur · May 16, 2013

Selling Caulker is ridiculous unless it's a crazy offer. He's made the odd blunder but who doesn't? If we're selling centre backs then it has to be Daws surely. Caulker needs two more years at Spurs for me until we can make any decisions on him. If he develops well, give him a new deal. If he's showing no signs of progression by that stage, then consider selling him. He'll still be only 23.

beats1 · May 16, 2013

WiganSpur said:
Selling Caulker is ridiculous unless it's a crazy offer. He's made the odd blunder but who doesn't? If we're selling centre backs then it has to be Daws surely. Caulker needs two more years at Spurs for me until we can make any decisions on him. If he develops well, give him a new deal. If he's showing no signs of progression by that stage, then consider selling him. He'll still be only 23.

Well city offered us £20mill for him according to the papers last season

loaderspurs · May 16, 2013

Hoddle&Waddle said:
Unless you can prove you know Brendan Rodgers personally and know whats going on in his head I dont think you can "categorically state that as of yesterday LFC are not interested in Caulker".

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't toela been pretty clued in on liverpools workings past few windows? Reliable itk re Liverpool?

WiganSpur · May 16, 2013

beats1 said:
Well city offered us £20mill for him according to the papers last season

I highly doubt that but I would have considered selling for that, yes. My point was the suggestion of us actively looking to shift him is absurd.

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