Why people must now accept the terrible state we are in.

[robin09]

cut the sponsorship deal with mansion and play with a pure white top for the rest of the season. we'll be ok.

then next season do a deal with a more ethical sponsor.. or an xtended deal with a sports company and have big logos on teh sleeves and stuff but nothing on the shirt front/back. that would be cool.. also just have numbers and get rid of the player names on the shirts. the ego thing at spurs is half the problem, not least with Levy.

:???:

 

[striebs]

You people are utterly ridiculous.

We went into a season unprepared. It's not Levy's fault Berbatov and Keane wanted to leave. It's not Comolli's fault the Russian agents fucked us about. It's not Ramos' fault that he lost his two most creative players and goal-scorers.

Did Malbranque want to leave too ?

 

[Azrael]

Did Malbranque want to leave too ?

:clap:

 

[Azrael]

cut the sponsorship deal with mansion and play with a pure white top for the rest of the season. we'll be ok.

then next season do a deal with a more ethical sponsor.. or an xtended deal with a sports company and have big logos on teh sleeves and stuff but nothing on the shirt front/back. that would be cool.. also just have numbers and get rid of the player names on the shirts. the ego thing at spurs is half the problem, not least with Levy.

Sorry, but I'm failing to see what sponsorship deals have to do with it.

 

[gooch]

i agree with most of what you say, we are in a bad situation but all it can take to fix it is one lucky result followed by one good performance, it is only football at the end of the day and anything can happen, both ways unfortunately

cup games could be good for confidence, so writing them off completely seems pointless to me, a win on thursday would go miles to begin fixing our problems

and whether ramos is good enough or not is beside the point for me. the club/players/team/squad/situation he joined last year and the one he was left with after this transfer window closed are so vastly different i would have walked out. give alex ferguson the best players in the world and he'll give you the league, give him a squad like ours is now and we'd be calling for his head as well. wenger or mourinho are probably the only coaches that could play us out of our situation

 

[jamesc0le]

Sorry, but I'm failing to see what sponsorship deals have to do with it.

karma?:shrug:

 

[hellava_tough]

Az - Good article. I think you've summed up the situation pretty well!

I believe we are well and truly in the shite; there is no doubt about that.

However, we can save the day if we act quickly:

1) Boot Ramos and Comolli out, and get Sven or Bilic in (this will probably cost £30 - £40 million, but we have no other choice; it'll cost us much more if we get relegated)

2) Give the captaincy to Woodgate

3) Prioritise the league - that's all that matters now. I'd even go so far as playing the reserves in any remaining cup games until we've got our form back in the league. This will mean that King should be rested for league games

4) Play this team for more than 2 matches in a row if possible. This will bring stability and confidence back to the team:

------------------Gomes--------------

Hutton---Corluka/King---Woody---Gunter

Lennon---O'Hara--------Zokora-------Bale

---------Bentley-------------------------

-----------------------Bent-------------

5) As fans we must get behind the team. This is our darkest hour; our greatest challenge. We must all rise to it and let the world know that Tottenham Hotspur football club, will NOT go down without "the mother of all conflicts"!!

 

[Azrael]

Az - Good article. I think you've summed up the situation pretty well!

I believe we are well and truly in the shite; there is no doubt about that.

However, we can save the day if we act quickly:

1) Boot Ramos and Comolli out, and get Sven or Bilic in (this will probably cost £30 - £40 million, but we have no other choice; it'll cost us much more if we get relegated)

2) Give the captaincy to Woodgate

3) Prioritise the league - that's all that matters now. I'd even go so far as playing the reserves in any remaining cup games until we've got our form back in the league. This will mean that King should be rested for league games

4) Play this team for more than 2 matches in a row if possible. This will bring stability and confidence back to the team:

------------------Gomes--------------

Hutton---Corluka/King---Woody---Gunter

Lennon---O'Hara--------Zokora-------Bale

---------Bentley-------------------------

-----------------------Bent-------------

5) As fans we must get behind the team. This is our darkest hour; our greatest challenge. We must all rise to it and let the world know that Tottenham Hotspur football club, will NOT go down without "the mother of all conflicts"!!

1) Billic no. Too unproven. Sven maybe. But neither likely to leave national team coaching jobs for a relegation fight.

2) Him or Hutton.

3) Defo

4) I think we should actually start playing with two strikers. Give the boy Campbell a few sub appearances in games so that he can begin to do something with Bent.

5) I will always support Spurs

 

[Azrael]

i agree with most of what you say, we are in a bad situation but all it can take to fix it is one lucky result followed by one good performance, it is only football at the end of the day and anything can happen, both ways unfortunately

cup games could be good for confidence, so writing them off completely seems pointless to me, a win on thursday would go miles to begin fixing our problems

and whether ramos is good enough or not is beside the point for me. the club/players/team/squad/situation he joined last year and the one he was left with after this transfer window closed are so vastly different i would have walked out. give alex ferguson the best players in the world and he'll give you the league, give him a squad like ours is now and we'd be calling for his head as well. wenger or mourinho are probably the only coaches that could play us out of our situation

I agree with your last paragraph very much. But I don't believe that, the Striker mess aside, Ramos had absolutely no input in the players brought in.

 

[DoublePivot]

Sven maybe. But neither likely to leave national team coaching jobs for a relegation fight.

Sven may well get the toss. The Mexicans don't like him at all. And I can't comment on whether he would join as I have never seen any of the female staff. But if they are fit, we got a chance.

 

[Azrael]

Sven may well get the toss. The Mexicans don't like him at all. And I can't comment on whether he would join as I have never seen any of the female staff. But if they are fit, we got a chance.

Are you saying Doris the tea lady is going to get doinked by some swedish sausage? mg:

 

[SpurSince57]

I agree with your last paragraph very much. But I don't believe that, the Striker mess aside, Ramos had absolutely no input in the players brought in.

If he was the one insisting on Pavlyuchenko and Arshavin (and there's no particular reason to believe he wasn't), then he most certainly did have an input. If he pissed off Defoe, he had an input. If he pissed off Keane, he had an input. If he turned down Milito and Garcia, he had an input.

And which genius failed to spot that after Spartak got tonked 4-1 in the first leg of their CL qualifier it was almost a stone-cold certainty that Pav would be cup-tied for Europe? :shrug:

 

[Azrael]

If he was the one insisting on Pavlyuchenko and Arshavin (and there's no particular reason to believe he wasn't), then he most certainly did have an input. If he pissed off Defoe, he had an input. If he pissed off Keane, he had an input. If he turned down Milito and Garcia, he had an input.

And which genius failed to spot that after Spartak got tonked 4-1 in the first leg of their CL qualifier it was almost a stone-cold certainty that Pav would be cup-tied for Europe? :shrug:

:clap:

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

Agree with most of the original post - except the stuff about Jenas.

Jenas will never be an on-pitch leader but is a quality player, a great athlete, good technically, works his socks off and gets goals. A poor mans Frank Lampard if you will - signing him was a good move - making him vice-captain was lunacy. I guess Ramos' hands were forced on this one, we only had Keane as a natural leader and Comolli failed to deliver an experienced on-pitch leader after we lost Keane.

 

[Azrael]

Agree with most of the original post - except the stuff about Jenas.

Jenas will never be an on-pitch leader but is a quality player, a great athlete, good technically, works his socks off and gets goals. A poor mans Frank Lampard if you will - signing him was a good move - making him vice-captain was lunacy. I guess Ramos' hands were forced on this one, we only had Keane as a natural leader and Comolli failed to deliver an experienced on-pitch leader after we lost Keane.

How many goals has he got us this season?

 

[catesy2018]

· We have a squad full of international players. No squad as good as this has been relegated to my knowledge.

Zaragotha went down with a team full of Internationals last year.

Oh wait, I'm not helping am I......

 

[EZSpur]

I'll be honest with you guys, i'm completely lost!!
I've tried to keep the faith, but i just can't see us improving!
Why?? - Because we have a team of players who just don't look like they can play TOGETHER!! Regardless of international status, individual skill etc etc.

I mean look at Hull, Stoke and upcoming Bolton, teams where you're hard pressed to name a international starting player, let alone a world-class player - BUT they can play TOGETHER as a TEAM!!!!!

Right now i think we should bench Modric, give Pavy a rest, go back to 4-4-2 for everyone to start again and give the same back 4 and Bent and Campbell a decent run of games to gel - throw in some ugly long-ball football and get some wins any means neccessary!!!!

FFS!

 

[dontcallme]

So one of our problems is too many changes and the solution is wholesale changes?

We made a mistake last year firing the coach at the first sign of trouble, lets try and rally together and get out of this one together.

 

[rez9000]

So one of our problems is too many changes and the solution is wholesale changes?

We made a mistake last year firing the coach at the first sign of trouble, lets try and rally together and get out of this one together.

Who said anything about wholesale changes?

As you said we made the mistake of firing the coach last season at the first sign of trouble. But with Ramos it isn't the first sign of trouble. The trouble is well-documented. 5 wins in 27 Premiership games is a shocking record. I think it's only been bettered (or worsered, is that a word) by Paul Jewell at Derby last season. If you extrapolate our points per game for this season, do you know how many points we'll end up with at the end? 10.

We could be optimistic and look at the 27 PL games in 2008. He's won 5, drawn 9, lost 13. That's 24 points from a possible 81. Extrapolate that and we would finish the season on 34 points. Reading were relegated last season on 36 and Birmingham City on 35.

Firing Martin Jol was a mistake, but you don't rectify a mistake by continuing with it. If you're driving a car and you're supposed to head north, but youtrun south, you dont carry on south in the hopes that the 'road will come good in the end', do you? No, you stop, turn around and head in the right direction.

Anyway, three games, tops for Ramos. And from those three games he has to get a minimum of four points to save his job. If he gets less than that he should be shown the door.

I would be ecstatic, over the moon, totally delirious if we managed to get Sven in. What the liklihood of that is, I won't even begin to guess, but he would be my choice, far and above anyone else. To put it in perspective, Ramos has been successful at one of the clubs he's managed. Sven has been successful at all but one of the clubs he's managed. His list of honours goes on and on and on, and he would be the man for me.

If necessary, get some hot mommas in for him to doink while he's at White Hart Lane. Just get Sven!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

If Martin Jol was manager now we would still have lost Defoe, Keane & Berbatov; would still have Bent, but would also have Robinson in goal and Dawson at CB with Kaboul. We would be playing every game 442 with Bent and Campbell up front and Modric would be left back. And King would still be fucked.

Instead of losing 1-2 every game we'd be losing 1-5.

I fail to see how Jol would have helped us in any way. He was struggling with Berbatov and keane in the side. How would he fair without those two ?