v Newcastle (H) Ratings

[markieboy]

The problem is we train and play all year with a high line and tactics surrounding it then our back up keeper is as mobile as an aircraft carrier.
This is probably the most pressing concern I have going into the next transfer window, ship Gomes out on a loan push Brad down to no. 3/retirement and get either Archer as back-up or a new young mobile keeper.

I can't understand who is in charge of our goalkeepers.
Brad needs to be put out to pasture asap and Gomes needs booted out the front gate.
We need to bring in a promising young goalkeeper from abroad who has had a good deal of first team experience and who can provide cover and competition for Hugo.
This needs sorted in January...............no excuses.

 

[Sarsipius]

The whole weekend has been like Alex Ferguson's wet dream & made very little logical sense.

That's very true and a nice sentiment, only for us you feel it's been coming, or not, as the case may be. For the Arse, it's just as a minor blip to what has been a stream of free-flowing goal happy wins.

We have made the art of goal scoring appear almost unknowable.

 

[only1waddle]

I gave Eriksen a good mark in my opening post and a lot of people have run him down a bit, even his greatest fan BC wasn't entirely complimentary. Sure his dead balls were weak but his general play was more than decent and it was the first time he looked like he could be capable of running a game.

It's easy to give everyone shit marks because we lost but the truth is we shouldn't have and only luck prevented us from winning. 31 shots is an inordinately high amount against any team & somehow the same players that people are relentlessly castigating created those 31 opportunities.

This was the first time that to any degree our attack clicked in the league and moving forward we might remember this as the game that we looked solid and dangerous and not just solid.

The result is just a sad postscript.

Weirdly, I bet Arsenal feel similar too. Utd were shit and created nothing. Man City had 24 shots today.

The whole weekend has been like Alex Ferguson's wet dream & made very little logical sense.

And only 4 on target with Aguero/Negredo starting
Sunderland had 5 shots, 2 on target and 1 goal.
crazy season.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yes. It's incredibly weak. You say it's not because it supports your argument about how hard AVB has it. But it's very far from the truth. We're not coming up against good teams, we're just giving them an easy way to play against us.

You don't think clubs have spent all the new money they are getting on better players and that coaches like Pochetino and Laudrup are better than Dave Bassett and Glenn Roeder ?

It's got nothing to do with supporting my argument, it's what I believe. I think clubs have more money to spend than ever before and this is showing in the players they have bought, I think the general quality of tactical awareness has risen and coaching standards have improved. Compared to the nineties it is vastly superior in all aspects. Not even close, and frankly Bear, I think it is a little embarrassing to claim otherwise.

Did you actually see the EPL in the nineties ? Genuinely asking for the second time.

 

[Gedson100]

Just for fun, cause we're all in that kinda mood, i've devised a game:

GUESS THE PLAYER!

Here is a list of ratings for one of our players, with selected comments, for this week's game.
All you have to do is... guess the player!

1 'Please somebody buy him'
1 'Killed momentum, go away'
6 'Not enough time' [thanks mum]
2.5 'WTF?'
3
6
'smh' [shake my head]
[a crying emoticon]
0
'Awful'
5
2 'Was offside'
2
1
'Predictably did nothing'
5
4 'Not good enough for us'
3.5 'Absolutely nothing'
1 'Needs to leave'
4
1
4
3 'Joke of the day'
'Poor man's Townsend' [<<my favourite]
4 'D****' [<<bit of a clue this one]
'Not even worth a rating'
2
4.5
'He's an amoeba'
'No impact'

No prizes, just for fun!

 

[only1waddle]

@jair1970

*Sticks hand in the air, is it Defoe

 

[Gedson100]

@jair1970

*Sticks hand in the air, is it Defoe

Wait a moment, i'll just check my notes...
Erm... it says here on my bit of paper 'DEMPSEY' ?

 

[only1waddle]

Wait a moment, i'll just check my notes...
Erm... it says here on my bit of paper 'DEMPSEY' ?

Dempsey was my back up guess

 

[Spurs_Bear]

You don't think clubs have spent all the new money they are getting on better players and that coaches like Pochetino and Laudrup are better than Dave Bassett and Glenn Roeder ?

It's got nothing to do with supporting my argument, it's what I believe. I think clubs have more money to spend than ever before and this is showing in the players they have bought, I think the general quality of tactical awareness has risen and coaching standards have improved. Compared to the nineties it is vastly superior in all aspects. Not even close, and frankly Bear, I think it is a little embarrassing to claim otherwise.

Did you actually see the EPL in the nineties ? Genuinely asking for the second time.

Genuinely telling you for a second time. Yes.

Genuinely telling you about the exaggeration that I alluded to.

The coaching you can have no idea about, genuinely you can't. We are being coached poorly at the moment, and we are 7th. Southampton have Rickie Lambert, what do you think of him? Is he a much better player than Lee Champman was?

You put too much emphasis on coaching and tactics, when it's not something you are in a position to accurately comment on. Sorry.

Your original post was a good analysis of the game, barring that one remark.

 

[ethanedwards]

You don't think clubs have spent all the new money they are getting on better players and that coaches like Pochetino and Laudrup are better than Dave Bassett and Glenn Roeder ?

It's got nothing to do with supporting my argument, it's what I believe. I think clubs have more money to spend than ever before and this is showing in the players they have bought, I think the general quality of tactical awareness has risen and coaching standards have improved. Compared to the nineties it is vastly superior in all aspects. Not even close, and frankly Bear, I think it is a little embarrassing to claim otherwise.

Did you actually see the EPL in the nineties ? Genuinely asking for the second time.

How do you explain, by their standards, a mediocre Utd winning the PL in a canter.
I don't see any of this great leap forward in tactical awareness, it certainly isn't manifesting itself with success in Europe, for Roeder & Bassett try Di Canio and Houghton .

 

[mpickard2087]

I had to watch this in a bar in Dublin. I haven't had any sleep for three nights. I was/am very hungover. I was severely outnumbered by a raucous crowd of Geordies who have been on a stag all weekend. We played shit, then better but couldn't score... Not sure which half was more frustrating to watch in that sense. Got pelters off aforementioned Geordies throughout. All 'enjoyed' with a massive fucking headache.

I am not happy.

The match was just pure deja vu. We have ball, other team defend resiliently. Keeper has a blinder, aided by some poor finishing. Problem is that we conceded a poor goal today and its Zero points instead of a draw.

The main concern is that AVB has seemingly gone full retard in his team selection. Right now I would trust Chirpy to pick a more balanced and well thought-out team than AVB serves up every week.

What is most worrying is that he still thinks he can get away with no holding midfielder, pigeon-holing Dembele and pairing him with Paulinho who gets free license to go wandering off up the park. It has to be one of Capoue/Sandro, paired with Dembele or Paulinho. Stop pratting around with this Andre, I beg ya.

Individual selections are just bizarre. They have all been listed from what I see. Some of these selections are getting scary now, if he thinks the likes of Sigurdsson and Defoe are good enough then something is very wrong.

Then we factor in the PR disaster of Lloris not being fit after all...

AVB needs to get a grip, not been a good week or so.

Friedel - Well what can you say? Not a lot to do but the one moment he is needed he just shows that he isn't Lloris.

Walker - *Insert generic Walker comments here*

Dawson - Shown up for pace a few times first half.

Chiriches - Did ok before injury.

Vertonghen - Cant recall him doing much.

Dembele - Disastrous.

Paulinho - Hardly any better. Disgraceful tackle for the goal. Abandons defensive responsibilities, wastes opportunities in and around the box. Must do better.

Eriksen - Tried, but... Should have scored.

Townsend - Talent is there but he and the coaches need to find a way to channel this into a role that will have effectiveness and output for the team.

Sigurdsson - I have said he is a weak, slow, average player for 14 months now. Still not changed my mind. Woeful, and I hope this signals a long spell in the reserves before a transfer in January.

Soldado - Did ok. Unlucky with the header. Another who should have scored though with other chances. Never going to come up with an individual piece of brilliance though, and I don't think his type fits the system we are trying to play. Defensive work could be much better. A conundrum.

Kaboul - Ok but should have buried that chance.

Sandro - Thought he did well.

Defoe - Something I don't want to have to say but its true. And call me a ****, neg me in record amounts, Do whatever, but... I'm finding it seriously hard to support him in a Spurs shirt. There I said it. A pointless sub that had the predictable outcome. An absolute waste of fucking space. Another who needs to go to the reserves (and preferably QPR's at that) ASAP.

 

[only1waddle]

Genuinely telling you for a second time. Yes.

Genuinely telling you about the exaggeration that I alluded to.

The coaching you can have no idea about, genuinely you can't. We are being coached poorly at the moment, and we are 7th. Southampton have Rickie Lambert, what do you think of him? Is he a much better player than Lee Champman was?

You put too much emphasis on coaching and tactics, when it's not something you are in a position to accurately comment on. Sorry.

Your original post was a good analysis of the game, barring that one remark.

How do you know we are being coached poorly?
If you mean set up badly, then yes, but you have no idea as to how good a coach AVB is.

 

[jezz]

Saying i understand why Lamela didnt play, because he played Thursday is a cop out.
Siggy played thursday.
Lamela was on fire and should have started.
Guile you say? Lamela has the bundles of the stuff.
Lamela and erickson would have destroyed Newcastle.
AVB dosent do tough decisions.

 

[mattyspurs]

I love it when BC and Bear get all horny for each other

 

[markieboy]

I had to watch this in a bar in Dublin. I haven't had any sleep for three nights. I was/am very hungover. I was severely outnumbered by a raucous crowd of Geordies who have been on a stag all weekend. We played shit, then better but couldn't score... Not sure which half was more frustrating to watch in that sense. Got pelters off aforementioned Geordies throughout. All 'enjoyed' with a massive fucking headache.

I am not happy.

The match was just pure deja vu. We have ball, other team defend resiliently. Keeper has a blinder, aided by some poor finishing. Problem is that we conceded a poor goal today and its Zero points instead of a draw.

The main concern is that AVB has seemingly gone full retard in his team selection. Right now I would trust Chirpy to pick a more balanced and well thought-out team than AVB serves up every week.

What is most worrying is that he still thinks he can get away with no holding midfielder, pigeon-holing Dembele and pairing him with Paulinho who gets free license to go wandering off up the park. It has to be one of Capoue/Sandro, paired with Dembele or Paulinho. Stop pratting around with this Andre, I beg ya.

Individual selections are just bizarre. They have all been listed from what I see. Some of these selections are getting scary now, if he thinks the likes of Sigurdsson and Defoe are good enough then something is very wrong.

Then we factor in the PR disaster of Lloris not being fit after all...

AVB needs to get a grip, not been a good week or so.

Friedel - Well what can you say? Not a lot to do but the one moment he is needed he just shows that he isn't Lloris.

Walker - *Insert generic Walker comments here*

Dawson - Shown up for pace a few times first half.

Chiriches - Did ok before injury.

Vertonghen - Cant recall him doing much.

Dembele - Disastrous.

Paulinho - Hardly any better. Disgraceful tackle for the goal. Abandons defensive responsibilities, wastes opportunities in and around the box. Must do better.

Eriksen - Tried, but... Should have scored.

Townsend - Talent is there but he and the coaches need to find a way to channel this into a role that will have effectiveness and output for the team.

Sigurdsson - I have said he is a weak, slow, average player for 14 months now. Still not changed my mind. Woeful, and I hope this signals a long spell in the reserves before a transfer in January.

Soldado - Did ok. Unlucky with the header. Another who should have scored though with other chances. Never going to come up with an individual piece of brilliance though, and I don't think his type fits the system we are trying to play. Defensive work could be much better. A conundrum.

Kaboul - Ok but should have buried that chance.

Sandro - Thought he did well.

Defoe - Something I don't want to have to say but its true. And call me a ****, neg me in record amounts, Do whatever, but... I'm finding it seriously hard to support him in a Spurs shirt. There I said it. A pointless sub that had the predictable outcome. An absolute waste of fucking space. Another who needs to go to the reserves (and preferably QPR's at that) ASAP.

Loved that line...................never go full retard man.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

We havnt lost a game this season when Sandro has started. If he's fit he starts. No1 & 2 on the teamsheet are him and Hugo

Terrible 1st half, great 2nd half apart from the obvious!

So much better work rate 2nd half by everyone and the hunger and desire by the whole team to win the 2nd balls was such a marked difference to that paceless, lethargic clumsy first half performance

How Lamela or even Lennon didn't get on the pitch when Siggy was replaced defied belief. JD probably only touched it two or three times. I know we needed a goal but bringing on JD to partner RS was not the answer. We all hoped it would be but most of us feared it wasnt the right substitution

Thought Kaboul looked good when he came on. He's no3 on the teamsheet when 100%

Walker gets a load of stick but god help us without his pace and power

We know where the goal is now we just need to tell the players that someone stands right in the middle of it.....

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Genuinely telling you for a second time. Yes.

Genuinely telling you about the exaggeration that I alluded to.

The coaching you can have no idea about, genuinely you can't. We are being coached poorly at the moment, and we are 7th. Southampton have Rickie Lambert, what do you think of him? Is he a much better player than Lee Champman was?

You put too much emphasis on coaching and tactics, when it's not something you are in a position to accurately comment on. Sorry.

Your original post was a good analysis of the game, barring that one remark.

Of course I can have an idea. I can compare what I am watching now with what I have have been watching for the last 20 years. And it is on this basis that I have formed my conclusion. It's not about knowing how many traffic cones teams are putting out on the training ground or what colours they are using on their white board, it's about watching the end product and making an informed deduction.

You think this chelsea with Hazard, Oscar, Mata, Willian is worse than the one with Benayoun, Malouda and Kalou ? or Spencer, Hughes and Stein ? Seriously bear, you say some funny shit.

You never saw a team managed by Dave Bassett did you ?

 

[SteveH]

And only 4 on target with Aguero/Negredo starting
Sunderland had 5 shots, 2 on target and 1 goal.
crazy season.

How true - but I'm starting to have some small doubt about AVB. He seems to be over the place ATM, with the Loris concussion being one example.

 

[Legend10]

You think a Newcastle team with Gouffron, Ameobi and Williamson is better than one with Ginola, Shearer and Albert?

 

[felmani26]

The problem for me was neither Paulinho or Dembele seemed to know who was doing what, Sandro played well when he came on, actually driving forward and doing a better job defensively than the other two together, our shape improved and we still attacked with intent, no coincidence Paulinho was better second half, he had a player with a defined role next to him.
The guile should have come from Lamela for Sigurdsson at half time with Townsend switching left.

It's definitely a problem when Dembele and Paulinho are paired together - neither have the remit to really hustle or break up play aggressively but then going forward, both are hesitant and seem far too rigid.

It's why I don't mind Sandro paired with Paulinho as there are clealy defined roles and allows Paulinho to make those runs beyond the forward line.

Dembele just seems lost at the moment in a cm2 fulfilling no real purpose and I really don't think we are utilising his talents right.