The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[therhinospeaks]

Just noticed Chelsea's new scholar intake (12) that includes 9(nine!) England U16 internationals (of which 3 are also England U17 internationals). Of the other 3 one is a Finland U16 international GK who is 6'7"! Make what you will of this.

Are you Lilywhite Rose? Good to have you on the board.

 

[Spurzinho]

They weren't staggeringly out of their depth then? Name a worse right back than CP.

I'm not going to publicly Bury anyone. Every kid given a scholarship must posses the fundamentals. It's an absolute requirement of the program. Chris Paul, like Sam Cox, was limited in certain areas but had absolutely excellent attitudes which it was thought would compensate for their weaknesses. Our academy program doesn't expect to churn out 11 Harry Kane's every year. It aims to develop these youngsters to the fullness of their potential and get them playing at the highest level that they can. Clearly the hope was that Paul would make at least League Two standard and that Zenon might squeek a Championship career and both may yet get there. Careers are not linear. Luck plays a big part too, just ask HK.

 

[therhinospeaks]

I'm not going to publicly Bury anyone. Every kid given a scholarship must posses the fundamentals. It's an absolute requirement of the program. Chris Paul, like Sam Cox, was limited in certain areas but had absolutely excellent attitudes which it was thought would compensate for their weaknesses. Our academy program doesn't expect to churn out 11 Harry Kane's every year. It aims to develop these youngsters to the fullness of their potential and get them playing at the highest level that they can. Clearly the hope was that Paul would make at least League Two standard and that Zenon might squeek a Championship career and both may yet get there. Careers are not linear. Luck plays a big part too, just ask HK.

The primary objective of the academy is to produce players for the first team squad. Yes, I am acutely aware that the percentage that make is tiny and we have a duty of care to these boys. However, this good natured approached should only go so far. One could argue that retaining substandard footballers acts as a blocker to higher talented younger players. Just look at where they are now!

Where is this 'excellent attitude' evidence coming from?

Name dropping Kane in this conversation is a bit embarrassing.

 

[Tom Hep]

Jamie Reynolds appears to still be at Hotspur Way, I assume for the duration of his rehab. He posted a picture of himself in the new training kit on his Instagram story yesterday.

 

[therhinospeaks]

Jamie Reynolds appears to still be at Hotspur Way, I assume for the duration of his rehab. He posted a picture of himself in the new training kit on his Instagram story yesterday.

Good to see.

 

[JimmyG2]

The primary objective of the academy is to produce players for the first team squad. Yes, I am acutely aware that the percentage that make is tiny and we have a duty of care to these boys. However, this good natured approached should only go so far. One could argue that retaining substandard footballers acts as a blocker to higher talented younger players. Just look at where they are now!

Where is this 'excellent attitude' evidence coming from?

Name dropping Kane in this conversation is a bit embarrassing.

The Primary objective of the Academy
is to give talented youngsters
especially from the local area
an opportunity to develop.their talents.

If they make it into football then excellent
if they make it for Spurs brilliant
but not a Primary objective.
A happy by-product at best...

Harry Kane Winks and Skipp
and the others that make it as footballers
is what gives us and them hope.
and a great deal of satisfaction.

One every couple of years
pays for itself ten times over.

 

[Lilbaz]

Just noticed Chelsea's new scholar intake (12) that includes 9(nine!) England U16 internationals (of which 3 are also England U17 internationals). Of the other 3 one is a Finland U16 international GK who is 6'7"! Make what you will of this.

The new loan rules can't come quick enough. Hopefully they get a good scholarship and jump ship at 18.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

The new loan rules can't come quick enough. Hopefully they get a good scholarship and jump ship at 18.

The new loan rules will not apply to under 21’s . Poss limit of 6-8 other loans.will stop Chelsea stockpiling

 

[Lilbaz]

The new loan rules will not apply to under 21’s . Poss limit of 6-8 other loans.will stop Chelsea stockpiling

Haven't seen anything saying that u21's are exempt? Just that a club can't loan out more than 8 players and only a certain amount to a specific team. Thought the whole point was to stop bigger clubs from stockpiling young players?

 

[Marty]

Haven't seen anything saying that u21's are exempt? Just that a club can't loan out more than 8 players and only a certain amount to a specific team. Thought the whole point was to stop bigger clubs from stockpiling young players?

The no more than 8 that you've read is over-21s, clubs can still loan out as many under-21s as they want.

 

[coys200]

Yup it’s definitely over 21.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Haven't seen anything saying that u21's are exempt? Just that a club can't loan out more than 8 players and only a certain amount to a specific team. Thought the whole point was to stop bigger clubs from stockpiling young players?[/
Haven’t seen anything official yet but that was what was being discussed at uefa some months ago.

 

[beats1]

The primary objective of the academy is to produce players for the first team squad. Yes, I am acutely aware that the percentage that make is tiny and we have a duty of care to these boys. However, this good natured approached should only go so far. One could argue that retaining substandard footballers acts as a blocker to higher talented younger players. Just look at where they are now!

Where is this 'excellent attitude' evidence coming from?

Name dropping Kane in this conversation is a bit embarrassing.

I do agree, the fact how players apparently need an excellent attitude to get far is getting a tired attitude. Objectively its difficult to prove and its pathetic to suggest players who have talent but aren't favoured have a poor attitude.

Its getting ridiculous, someone like onomah and Oduwa were players who I heard nothing but good things regarding their attitude but they weren't given the same opportunities.

Where someone like Edwards who is literally just a moody fucking teenager, gets branded with this lazy troupe that he has a bad attitude. Of course it doesn't help that he is mixed race as people then imo subconsciously make him out to be worse than he is.

Its funny, a couple of pages ago a lot of people got outraged at the "abuse" towards marsh, which got a strong reaction on here yet when people were looking at an U17 squad photo of Edwards and he didn't smile this was seemingly proof he has a bit of an attitude problem

The Primary objective of the Academy
is to give talented youngsters
especially from the local area
an opportunity to develop.their talents.

If they make it into football then excellent
if they make it for Spurs brilliant
but not a Primary objective.
A happy by-product at best...

Harry Kane Winks and Skipp
and the others that make it as footballers
is what gives us and them hope.
and a great deal of satisfaction.

One every couple of years
pays for itself ten times over.

We haven't been doing that, the main objective should be for us to develop players to the best of their ability whilst the goal being, preparing them for the first team. The academy is there to serve the first team

We have been failing as an academy as the majority of the intake havent improved a lot as scholars. We have been for 2-3 years now, done a piss poor job at developing players when go full time.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I'm not going to publicly Bury anyone. Every kid given a scholarship must posses the fundamentals. It's an absolute requirement of the program. Chris Paul, like Sam Cox, was limited in certain areas but had absolutely excellent attitudes which it was thought would compensate for their weaknesses. Our academy program doesn't expect to churn out 11 Harry Kane's every year. It aims to develop these youngsters to the fullness of their potential and get them playing at the highest level that they can. Clearly the hope was that Paul would make at least League Two standard and that Zenon might squeek a Championship career and both may yet get there. Careers are not linear. Luck plays a big part too, just ask HK.

I thought Zenon had some potential - and though Chris Paul was limited you have to remember that perhaps the other limited player of that intake Anton Walkes has made the most senior appearances and that was down to an excellent attitude

 

[beats1]

I thought Zenon had some potential - and though Chris Paul was limited you have to remember that perhaps the other limited player of that intake Anton Walkes has made the most senior appearances and that was down to an excellent attitude

I don't question Walkes, attitude, but I dont think at all Walkes has made the most appearances because of his attitude. Again none of the players we had in that intake were known for a bad attitude

I personally think its the sorry state of english football, that walkes got the most opportunities because of his size. He was built like a man whilst the rest were all small or skinny

I dont think english football has come that far, we see more foreign players who are smaller been given the opportunities we fail to give to our own British players

 

[JimmyG2]

I do agree, the fact how players apparently need an excellent attitude to get far is getting a tired attitude. Objectively its difficult to prove and its pathetic to suggest players who have talent but aren't favoured have a poor attitude.

Its getting ridiculous, someone like onomah and Oduwa were players who I heard nothing but good things regarding their attitude but they weren't given the same opportunities.

Where someone like Edwards who is literally just a moody fucking teenager, gets branded with this lazy troupe that he has a bad attitude. Of course it doesn't help that he is mixed race as people then imo subconsciously make him out to be worse than he is.

Its funny, a couple of pages ago a lot of people got outraged at the "abuse" towards marsh, which got a strong reaction on here yet when people were looking at an U17 squad photo of Edwards and he didn't smile this was seemingly proof he has a bit of an attitude problem

We haven't been doing that, the main objective should be for us to develop players to the best of their ability whilst the goal being, preparing them for the first team. The academy is there to serve the first team

We have been failing as an academy as the majority of the intake havent improved a lot as scholars. We have been for 2-3 years now, done a piss poor job at developing players when go full time.

I find this all very confusing.
Main objective and goal are the same thing surely
You chuck in 'mixed race' regarding Edwards which is an irrelevant, distracting afterthought.
If he is literally just a 'moody fucking teenager' does this not indicate his attitude
and affect his progress?
Does this not apply to others some of whom are 'mixed race' and/or teenagers?
Are you saying that Edwards has been falsely labelled in comparison to Marsh
or correctly judged?.

I strongly disagree that the Academy is there to serve the first team.
It is there to do justice to the players that join
By your criteria all Academies are failures and doomed from the start.

If players have talent but don't develop into Spurs players what is your explanation?
Poor coaching? Mistaken initial appraisal of their potential. None of the above.
Why were Onomah and Oduwa not favoured? Prejudice?

Perhaps it's just me but attitude is almost as important as talent.
Attitude without talent clearly cannot progress these days
although we can probably all think of players from the past who made it.
Not at Spurs obviously
Talent without attitude normally won't get far these days
in a very crowded competitive talented field.

 

[therhinospeaks]

I don't question Walkes, attitude, but I dont think at all Walkes has made the most appearances because of his attitude. Again none of the players we had in that intake were known for a bad attitude

I personally think its the sorry state of english football, that walkes got the most opportunities because of his size. He was built like a man whilst the rest were all small or skinny

I dont think english football has come that far, we see more foreign players who are smaller been given the opportunities we fail to give to our own British players

Good post Beats. I'm still recovering from seeing him line up as a 10 one week then left back the next. In fairness to Anton the American loan has given him a career at a good level with Pompey.

 

[therhinospeaks]

I thought Zenon had some potential - and though Chris Paul was limited you have to remember that perhaps the other limited player of that intake Anton Walkes has made the most senior appearances and that was down to an excellent attitude

Some people see it, some people don't.

 

[Tom Hep]

J’Niell Bennett has just posted this on his Instagram story. Seems like he could be missing some of next season.

 

[coys200]

That’s a real shame for him. We also aren’t exactly flush with pacey wingers. Wonder if they might open up another slot in the intake.