The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[IGSpur]

Chelsea also sign youngsters from other clubs academies like Izzy Brown (WBA) and Ethan Ampadu (Exeter).

They have also tapped up players from abroad in dodgy circumstances like Gael Kakuta.

Yes but all clubs do that. They probably have between one to two good signings per year group. I'm thinking of Castillo, Redan, Boga, Quina and Musonda . But I imagine 70% or more of their academy players are from the London catchment and have been there from young. Also it's usually their best players. They also pick players up from other academies but it's not exactly something we don't try to do, but as usual we are beaten by finances. We've got Parrott and Etete for exampel and I know we were going after Knight but we can't really compete with City on that front either.

RLC, CHO, Solanke, Abraham, Tomori, JCS, Panzo, Guehi have all been there signs u9s. Mount too but while he is from Portsmouth the aforementioned are from London

 

[Lilbaz]

There will be the same differential in salaries between their youth players and ours as there is between our 1st team players and theirs, which must be persuasive if other things are equal.

Chelseas highest earning player now hazard has left is one £150k a week. Kane is on £200-300k a week dependent on bonuses. Overall their wages are higher though.

 

[Sevens]

Both have played a lot of premier league football now. I can't honestly say Davies or Aurier are better footballers and therefore it would of saved us a wedge.

If Aurier or Davies signed for Bournemouth they’d become automatic first team starters.

 

[therhinospeaks]

It's an argument done ad infitum on this forum, and it's so pointless.



You're a brave man. It is an argument that can never be 'won' as one side assume that anyone 'good enough' will always be given a chance, no matter what or believe that the cream will always rise to the top, without taking into account that there are multiple factors at play. For balance though, we, me, you and others who think like us, aren't scouts or managers so essentially know less, than those making decisions, which is a fair enough stance to take, if fans don't know much about the academy players. Do I believe the manager or fans. The issue is that we have managers they have conflicting views even with our own academy players and our own manager demonstrating conflict in his selections and opinion on our academy players so who really knows what's going on.

If Aurier or Davies signed for Bournemouth they’d become automatic first team starters.

In your opinion chief.

 

[Sevens]

I am very confident in that opinion too.

I don’t think Aurier and Davies are good enough for a team that has title aspirations but they are clearly good enough for a top six team, as they play in one. And that means they’d be a very good player for a mid table team.

 

[coys200]

Still not really sure Aurier has had a fair crack at things. I like to know the longest run of games he’s had in the team I doubt it’s more than 3 or 4. Actually reminds me a lot of Sissoko situation, in fact he’s shown way more than Sissoko did. You definitely see ability in flashes, just think if he got a sustained run we might see a lot more from him.

 

[therhinospeaks]

I am very confident in that opinion too.

I don’t think Aurier and Davies are good enough for a team that has title aspirations but they are clearly good enough for a top six team, as they play in one. And that means they’d be a very good player for a mid table team.

Come on it's not as finite as that.

 

[SSC]

Yes but all clubs do that. They probably have between one to two good signings per year group. I'm thinking of Castillo, Redan, Boga, Quina and Musonda . But I imagine 70% or more of their academy players are from the London catchment and have been there from young. Also it's usually their best players. They also pick players up from other academies but it's not exactly something we don't try to do, but as usual we are beaten by finances. We've got Parrott and Etete for exampel and I know we were going after Knight but we can't really compete with City on that front either.

RLC, CHO, Solanke, Abraham, Tomori, JCS, Panzo, Guehi have all been there signs u9s. Mount too but while he is from Portsmouth the aforementioned are from London

Random link by driving instructor 6/7 years ago (I didn't actually pass until mid 20s... London living) was of African decent originally, I think Nigerian. He knew a bloke who's son was in the Chelsea youth ranks and he told me the packages they offer out are insane. 1 million pound houses, free private school education, cars/jobs for parents etc. They do this to lure in kids early knowing they can likely farm most them out on loan/sell them on if they don't make it for a profit. Its a business model within a business. Not sure that's particularly shocking given what we know already but was an interesting first hand insight.

 

[mpickard2087]

The fair comparison for Smith, and also Berchiche (and maybe Daniels, he might have left by then though) would be Kyle Naughton who was there at the time. Deeply average defender and an absolute no hoper in attack who was scared to go past the halfway line at right back and was even worse on the left. They've had as good a career as him, if not surpassed it. That was 6 million quid that could have been saved straight off. There are many other examples like that.

As stated numerous times, but I'll do it again, the remit seems to be that academy players have to 'make it' - ie. some long term future as a starter who goes on to great things. Why can they not just plug a gap in the squad for a year or two? A lot of signings - the Stambouli's, Fazio's, N'Randoms - end up doing that and the impact on the pitch - good and bad - would be no difference. All clubs could save an absolute fuck ton of money if they had a bit more bollocks and interest in blooding their own players instead of reaching for the cheque book as the easy answer.

 

[mill]

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/ne...ng-promotion-after-long-season-with-baleares/


What are people’s thoughts on Shashoua for next season? It’d be nice to have him involved in preseason but also if Baleares get promoted him staying there, somewhere he’s settled, could be good for him given he be stepping up another level. If they don’t get promoted and we loan him out do people think an English lower league loan would be better for him than another foreign one?

I suppose really in terms of loans it comes down to how much interest there is in him.

It would be nice to see both of him and Edwards given chances in preseason to see where they’re at in their development

 

[coys200]

I really like Shashoua but the reality is it would be very difficult for him to get any game time with us. On the bench you’d consider him an attacking Sub competing with Moura lamela and any new striker/winger that comes in. Then you have possible arrival of Clarke. And then being optimistic someone like Lo celso arrives and we keep eriksen. Would be tough enough for lamela to get minutes let alone Shashoua. In reality a young attacking player is gonna have to be pretty exceptional to get minutes if we do some serious business this window. I definitely think we should have a young quality attacking player around that could be called upon in an injury crisis much like KWP Skipp squad involvement. Then he’d be fighting with Clarke ? Edwards ? Bennett ? I’d also include Parrott and Etete although strikers they’d still take that bench place.

 

[Blake Griffin]

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/ne...ng-promotion-after-long-season-with-baleares/


What are people’s thoughts on Shashoua for next season? It’d be nice to have him involved in preseason but also if Baleares get promoted him staying there, somewhere he’s settled, could be good for him given he be stepping up another level. If they don’t get promoted and we loan him out do people think an English lower league loan would be better for him than another foreign one?

I suppose really in terms of loans it comes down to how much interest there is in him.

It would be nice to see both of him and Edwards given chances in preseason to see where they’re at in their development

ideally baleares get promoted and he stays with them, don't want us overreacting to a good loan at a low level just to bring him back here for a couple of pre season games and then have him sitting around doing nothing. it was the same with amos, i know he got injured but people forget that he did that injury in an u23 game after he'd been out of the 1st team squad for a few weeks, he should've followed up his impressive spell at stevenage with a good championship loan or at the very least league 1. once you set the ball rolling on loans i think you need to follow them through and only bring them back into the 1st team fold once they've shown they can cut it at a high level.

shashoua seems to have developed quite well physically so i think he could handle the english game but if he prefers to go back to spain then that works well too, either way he should be playing somewhere and the same is true for all players his age. loans are by no means guaranteed as we've seen with others but on average i'd be more confident of a better return going down that route than i am with the current idealistic approach of bringing them through internally.

 

[Flashspur]

El Desmarque, a Spanish journal, are claiming that Spurs have signed Yago de Santiago, a 16-year-old prospect from Celta Vigo. Apparently he palys in CM and scored 11 goals in 25 games for the Celta Cadete and B Juvenil sides last season. Any truth to the rumour?

Apologies if posted already.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/ne...ng-promotion-after-long-season-with-baleares/


What are people’s thoughts on Shashoua for next season? It’d be nice to have him involved in preseason but also if Baleares get promoted him staying there, somewhere he’s settled, could be good for him given he be stepping up another level. If they don’t get promoted and we loan him out do people think an English lower league loan would be better for him than another foreign one?

I suppose really in terms of loans it comes down to how much interest there is in him.

It would be nice to see both of him and Edwards given chances in preseason to see where they’re at in their development

I think the boy gets a raw deal he has a very similar skillset to Edwards but has gone out and seems to have had a very good loan and appears to have answered a few of the questions regarding physicality . Certainly worth seeing him stick around for a bit and to see what happens lots of positives around him at the moment

 

[C0YS]

The fair comparison for Smith, and also Berchiche (and maybe Daniels, he might have left by then though) would be Kyle Naughton who was there at the time. Deeply average defender and an absolute no hoper in attack who was scared to go past the halfway line at right back and was even worse on the left. They've had as good a career as him, if not surpassed it. That was 6 million quid that could have been saved straight off. There are many other examples like that.

As stated numerous times, but I'll do it again, the remit seems to be that academy players have to 'make it' - ie. some long term future as a starter who goes on to great things. Why can they not just plug a gap in the squad for a year or two? A lot of signings - the Stambouli's, Fazio's, N'Randoms - end up doing that and the impact on the pitch - good and bad - would be no difference. All clubs could save an absolute fuck ton of money if they had a bit more bollocks and interest in blooding their own players instead of reaching for the cheque book as the easy answer.

Its not that simple though. Smith wasn't that good when naughton contributed. Naughton had established himself as more or less the best fullback in the Championship, smith was struggling to get games. Naughton at the time filled a hole that needed filling. Smith had higher potential but wasn't what we needed at the time.

The same applies to Berchiche who took a good 4 seasons after leaving Spurs to finally get some games in LA liga. Naughton was pretty much gone at that point.

Falque is the one I regret, because he could of contributed. But such is life.

 

[mpickard2087]

Its not that simple though. Smith wasn't that good when naughton contributed. Naughton had established himself as more or less the best fullback in the Championship, smith was struggling to get games. Naughton at the time filled a hole that needed filling. Smith had higher potential but wasn't what we needed at the time.

The same applies to Berchiche who took a good 4 seasons after leaving Spurs to finally get some games in LA liga. Naughton was pretty much gone at that point.

Falque is the one I regret, because he could of contributed. But such is life.

I'll give you that Berchiche was a late bloomer from nowhere, that sometimes happens.

But the only difference I see is that Naughton got afforded 70 or 80 first team games over a couple of years whilst Smith didn't, because he was seen as the safer option and probably because money had been spent on him. That sort of squad filler signing (iirc the one we really wanted was Walker, and took Naughton as a punt too when dealing with Sheff Utd), for all clubs not just Spurs, is just completely unnecessary and where the vast amount of money in football, in my opinion, goes down the drain.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I'll give you that Berchiche was a late bloomer from nowhere, that sometimes happens.

But the only difference I see is that Naughton got afforded 70 or 80 first team games over a couple of years whilst Smith didn't, because he was seen as the safer option and probably because money had been spent on him. That sort of squad filler signing (iirc the one we really wanted was Walker, and took Naughton as a punt too when dealing with Sheff Utd), for all clubs not just Spurs, is just completely unnecessary and where the vast amount of money in football, in my opinion, goes down the drain.

I think we actually did target Naughton as the priority & added Walker to the equation so that we could beat Everton (who had agreed a few) to his signature.

Naughton was actually the more established & sought after player, who had made many appearances for Sheffield United & was actually shunted out to LB so that Walker could make a few appearances towards the end of the season.

And it's why we actually allowed Walker to go back there on loan the following season whilst we used Naughton.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...on-and-Kyle-Walker-from-Sheffield-United.html

 

[Blake Griffin]

I think the boy gets a raw deal he has a very similar skillset to Edwards but has gone out and seems to have had a very good loan and appears to have answered a few of the questions regarding physicality . Certainly worth seeing him stick around for a bit and to see what happens lots of positives around him at the moment

gets a raw deal from who?

as mentioned before he's going to have eriksen/new signing, dele, lucas, son and lamela ahead of him, then if we sign clarke/sessegnon they will be prioritised over him so what does he have worth sticking around for at this point? he's had a good season playing 40 games, he needs to do the same next season but at a higher level, he's not going to get that with us.

 

[therhinospeaks]

gets a raw deal from who?

as mentioned before he's going to have eriksen/new signing, dele, lucas, son and lamela ahead of him, then if we sign clarke/sessegnon they will be prioritised over him so what does he have worth sticking around for at this point? he's had a good season playing 40 games, he needs to do the same next season but at a higher level, he's not going to get that with us.

Couldn't agree more. Needs another full season be it here, or be it Spain.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

I think we actually did target Naughton as the priority & added Walker to the equation so that we could beat Everton (who had agreed a few) to his signature.

Naughton was actually the more established & sought after player, who had made many appearances for Sheffield United & was actually shunted out to LB so that Walker could make a few appearances towards the end of the season.

And it's why we actually allowed Walker to go back there on loan the following season whilst we used Naughton.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...on-and-Kyle-Walker-from-Sheffield-United.html

Naughton was more established, yes, but that’s because he was a full 18 months older. There was a lot of talk when he signed that Walker was the one we had really been after, and was seen as the bigger prospect.