The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[felmani26]

Telegraph was pay walled so this breaks it down

 

[dovahkiin]

Telegraph was pay walled so this breaks it down

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Tottenham hold talks with betting experts in bid to overhaul transfer policy

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Exclusive: Daniel Levy held talks with experts in a bid to emulate the success Brighton and Brentford have had in the transfer market
By Matt Law, Football News Correspondent 22 May 2023 • 3:49pm
Daniel Levy has held discussions with betting experts over developing a data model for Tottenham Hotspur that the club hope could revolutionise their recruitment.
Tottenham have declined to comment on the talks, with the details and identities of those involved understood to be a closely guarded secret as Spurs attempt to come up with their own version of the models that have been so successful at Brighton and Brentford.
The owners of Brighton and Brentford, Tony Bloom and Matthew Benham, both have a history of successfully using data in the betting sector and it is understood that under-fire Spurs chairman Levy has held discussions with individuals with a similar background who have also applied their analysis in other fields.
It is understood that Levy recently missed Tottenham’s defeat to Aston Villa to make a trip to the United States, but it is unclear whether or not that was related to his data discussions with some sources claiming it was related to trying to secure extra investment.
Tottenham have wasted millions in the transfer market over recent years, with Levy admitting himself that recruitment needs to improve and hiring Scott Munn as chief football officer to help with a planned overhaul of a number of departments.
One of the departments that is likely to undergo significant change and investment is data and analytics, which is an area in which Levy has previously been reluctant to invest having questioned its value.
But Levy’s opinion appears to have been changed by the success of clubs such as Brighton and Brentford, and Tottenham’s discussions with betting experts are thought to have centred around using a model to analyse and assess over-performing players in smaller leagues.
With Tottenham failing to qualify for the Champions League and in danger of missing out on Europe altogether, while also having to try to compete with the greater wealth of Manchester City, Chelsea, Newcastle United and Manchester United, the club must look at ways of trying to extract maximum value from the transfer market.
Part of Levy’s brief for the sporting director he is looking to recruit will be to work with data and potentially use the model he has been discussing with experts to advise and make decisions on players, both in terms of incomings and outgoings.
It may well be that the appointment of Tottenham’s next permanent head coach will also be influenced by the willingness to work with data. Interest has been stepped up in Feyenoord’s Arne Slot, who has done little to distance himself from Spurs over the past week.
As reported by Telegraph Sport, Tottenham would face a compensation bill of at least £6million to hire Slot and the club would also have to pay Feyenoord to take at least two of his coaches - Marino Pusic and Sipke Hulsoff.
It has been reported that Feyenoord are due to meet with Slot’s agent Rafaela Pimenta on Wednesday, with the Dutch club prepared to hand him a new contract to stay.
Feyenoord, however, are braced for a battle and fear Pimenta could inform them of Slot’s desire to join Tottenham this summer.
Tottenham have also made contact with Luis Enrique in their search for a new head coach, with Levy keen to now settle on a leading candidate and work towards making an appointment.

edit: i dont know why you get 2 spoilers, arrgh, computers

 

[AngryBob]

God. Glad Daniel (COYS!) is getting his hands dirty and involved in footballing matters, finally...

 

[ultimateloner]

It doesnt stack up at all. Also Levy threw away the season by making the wrong appointment, we were still very much in the mix

Each to their own.

 

[Oscar22]

POK tweeted some etching about this either yesterday or the day before, even if we’re behind other clubs doing it, I don’t mind us adopting other clubs strategies if they lead to success.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

POK tweeted some etching about this either yesterday or the day before, even if we’re behind other clubs doing it, I don’t mind us adopting other clubs strategies if they lead to success.

As I just posted in the rebuild thread it won’t matter if Levy uses data for recruitment if there is no consistent strategy and aligned plan, that has been the biggest failing not so much the recruitment. Also would data have told us they Ndombele has a bad attitude and is a lazy bugger? I don’t think so.

I’m all for us trying new things rather than making the same mistakes we have been but I don’t think Levy understands the bigger issue here is the lack of a clear and consistent identity and plan, Mason has spelled this out in his last 3 pressers, saying without that we have no chance to build anything successful and he’s right.

 

[g_harry]

As I just posted in the rebuild thread it won’t matter if Levy uses data for recruitment if there is no consistent strategy and aligned plan, that has been the biggest failing not so much the recruitment. Also would data have told us they Ndombele has a bad attitude and is a lazy bugger? I don’t think so.

I’m all for us trying new things rather than making the same mistakes we have been but I don’t think Levy understands the bigger issue here is the lack of a clear and consistent identity and plan, Mason has spelled this out in his last 3 pressers, saying without that we have no chance to build anything successful and he’s right.

In fairness Poch called it out 5 years ago and it's just got worse year on year. But Dan (coys) knows best.

 

[Wiener]

We were 3rd when we sacked Conte for telling the truth about the club. We’re more likely to finish 9th then even getting that bs conference league competition. Levy’s done his best to ruin the season with his penny smart, dollar stupid transfer dealings & his ego. Yet another mark on his stellar resumé.

If you are going to be angry at least direct some of that towards Conte. He walked away from us for legitimate personal reasons but then rather disgracefully blamed the players and Levy.

 

[rossdapep]

As I just posted in the rebuild thread it won’t matter if Levy uses data for recruitment if there is no consistent strategy and aligned plan, that has been the biggest failing not so much the recruitment. Also would data have told us they Ndombele has a bad attitude and is a lazy bugger? I don’t think so.

I’m all for us trying new things rather than making the same mistakes we have been but I don’t think Levy understands the bigger issue here is the lack of a clear and consistent identity and plan, Mason has spelled this out in his last 3 pressers, saying without that we have no chance to build anything successful and he’s right.

Actually it would have done because you can get data such as 'sprints per game' 'recovery runs per game' 'distance covered' and you can get even more anal than that.

Lets say Ndombele passed the 'eye test' but then the data analysts compiled off the ball data.

They'd probably have found Ndombele wasnt even in the top 20 for Ligue 1.

That's when you start to compare tht data with videos of his off ball work.

Club I work for always find the 10 best players from the data. Then they do video analysis to narrow it down to 5. Then go scout those five live.

The players with poor data don't even come up.

However, they may go scout a player and see another they like so then they go back and get that player's data to see if it fits.

They always have certain data criteria for each position.

Allows them to narrow the field and save time but also ensure they dont get players that look like they fit what they need but then come into the team and cant even do the things required in training.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Probably looking to secure a loan for Slot, on deadline day too. Levy you fucking legend.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

 

[Donki]

I’m a BSoDL will admit it, having said that he made some monumental fuckups, but as a 41yo man I know we could have been in a far worse place. I he next 2-3 years will b his time, I hope I works out. What I will say there is no real recipie for success, so let’s all get on board, not wish for an oil Barron and hope we get it right.

 

[Stamford]

If you are going to be angry at least direct some of that towards Conte. He walked away from us for legitimate personal reasons but then rather disgracefully blamed the players and Levy.

that isn't what happened

 

[Wiener]

that isn't what happened

That is my interpretation based on what is commonly known. The loss of a few friends, Conte's illness, his family remaining in Italy. All these seem to have contributed to what seemed always seemed like an ambivalent attitude to taking the Spurs job.

Conte 'left by mutual consent' but he gave Levy no choice after Conte's rambling, incoherent and unprofessional outburst after the Southampton game.

By all means blame Levy for going for pragmatic football with the choice of Mourihno and then Conte but this season's collapse is Conte's responsibility.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

Telegraph was pay walled so this breaks it down

fair enough. But it should be password protected for football operations staff only and Levy (snr or jnr) shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.

 

[Trix]

That is my interpretation based on what is commonly known. The loss of a few friends, Conte's illness, his family remaining in Italy. All these seem to have contributed to what seemed always seemed like an ambivalent attitude to taking the Spurs job.

Conte 'left by mutual consent' but he gave Levy no choice after Conte's rambling, incoherent and unprofessional outburst after the Southampton game.

By all means blame Levy for going for pragmatic football with the choice of Mourihno and then Conte but this season's collapse is Conte's responsibility.

Unprofessional maybe, but there was nothing incoherent in what he said and he wasn't rambling. He was telling it exactly how it is. He was almost certainly in part to blame, but these problems have been here long before Conte and have continued since his departure. He didn't help the situation but he certainly didn't create it either.

 

[spursfan77]

Actually it would have done because you can get data such as 'sprints per game' 'recovery runs per game' 'distance covered' and you can get even more anal than that.

Lets say Ndombele passed the 'eye test' but then the data analysts compiled off the ball data.

They'd probably have found Ndombele wasnt even in the top 20 for Ligue 1.

That's when you start to compare tht data with videos of his off ball work.

Club I work for always find the 10 best players from the data. Then they do video analysis to narrow it down to 5. Then go scout those five live.

The players with poor data don't even come up.

However, they may go scout a player and see another they like so then they go back and get that player's data to see if it fits.

They always have certain data criteria for each position.

Allows them to narrow the field and save time but also ensure they dont get players that look like they fit what they need but then come into the team and cant even do the things required in training.

There is zero fucking chance we did any of that with Ndombele. None at all. Makes you wonder what we actually did do in scouting him!

 

[georgerob]

According to the ITKs, the problem fundamentally in the club is Mr Levy and the only way that we will progress into a team winning honours is the removal of said Mr Levy. I have no inside knowledge myself but I trust in their judgement.

The only way then to remove Mr. Levy is a concerted effort by the fans both inside the stadium during games and out. I am calling on the forum for ideas on how we can go about registering our public dissatisfaction with Mr Levy. It will take leaders within our community to execute such a plan to organize the protests and to ensure that media picks up on it. I am unfortunately based in the US these days so cannot stand outside the ground with a Levy Out sign but am looking to all of you to help. Please put your ideas in this thread on how we can push our agenda forward and any volunteers who can lead these campaigns and protests both during match day and at other times.

So you are based in the USA and went Levy out. Do you actually attend games? I have been attending WHL since 1959 and will still attend next season. I certainly will not be getting involved in any silly protests. Levy will go when he gets a buyer, not because of some silly protests with a few Levy of balloons.

 

[Flashp]

There is zero fucking chance we did any of that with Ndombele. None at all. Makes you wonder what we actually did do in scouting him!

He was Pochs choice.

Everybody here were screaming for Poch to be handed full control of incomings at the time.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, Spurs are now publishing attendances on tickets sold and not bums on seats as they used to.
The proposed boycotts of games by those who are anti Levy is not getting noticed, there were plenty of empty seats against Brentford but with the dark seats it doesn't get noticed , attendance against Brentford was given as 61,514.