The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[ultimateloner]

I wish Conte just saw out the season before his rant. He should have just seen out his 15m a season contract and did his best to get into top 4 again. Once the season is done then have the rant and tell a few home truths. We certainly needed it.

I blame Levy still though because it was always going to happen with Conte. Unless you back him fully it will always blow up in your face. This latest update from dragon I think it was about Levy possibly making a u turn for Nagelsmann has me worried. I can't help but see him promise Nagelsmann control and then getting involved again, upsetting him and back we are again looking for a new manager.

I think you under-estimate how much of a snake Conte is.
IMO his decision to intentionally forced himself to get sacked at that time is planned from the outset; at the time of his appointment. This is the reason why he never truly settled.
He wanted the money and felt there was a slight chance we could have worked out (which it did last season); and he knew this summer was a big opportunity because loads of contracts are expiring; this is when a manager can truly flex their muscle.
He was never going to 'stick with us' for top 4; he left just as we were slipping but was still top 4, so that he can say 'things turned ugly' after he left to justify his prowess. If you are a potential employer and dont follow Spurs then it would indeed seem like 'things imploded after he left'.

DL probably saw this coming but the way we imploded was unlikely to get fixed by any immediate/short term action. He knew top 4 wasn't likely this season when Conte had left so he made the cheapest/least risky managerial appointments, and here we are.

 

[ultimateloner]

I don't support a business, I support a football club.

yeah hence my reply was only from a shareholder perspective, not as a fan.

 

[rabbikeane]

I don't support a business, I support a football club.

The discussion here seem to be about why Levy keeps his job. And that it is due to him running the business well and making money for his boss. Lewis has no reason to sack Levy, he's doing a brilliant job for those that hire him. You and the rest of us supporters have no direct say in the matter.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

I think you under-estimate how much of a snake Conte is.
IMO his decision to intentionally forced himself to get sacked at that time is planned from the outset; at the time of his appointment. This is the reason why he never truly settled.
He wanted the money and felt there was a slight chance we could have worked out (which it did last season); and he knew this summer was a big opportunity because loads of contracts are expiring; this is when a manager can truly flex their muscle.
He was never going to 'stick with us' for top 4; he left just as we were slipping but was still top 4, so that he can say 'things turned ugly' after he left to justify his prowess. If you are a potential employer and dont follow Spurs then it would indeed seem like 'things imploded after he left'.

If Conte wanted the money, why didn't he sign an extension during 2022?

Surely if that was his motive he would have gotten a much bigger pay off - or longer period on paid gardening leave waiting for his next job?

Did he just forget that his contract only ran until 2023?

If he did he's cost himself another £30-40m, or 2-3 years on similar paid leave.

DL probably saw this coming but the way we imploded was unlikely to get fixed by any immediate/short term action. He knew top 4 wasn't likely this season when Conte had left so he made the cheapest/least risky managerial appointments, and here we are.

DL's timing to sack him and replace with Stellini wasn't the least risky. It was objectively stupid. We've dropped from 4th to 8th/9th.

Either part with Conte via "mutual consent" during the World Cup and hire Poch, Tuchel or whoever else - and spend your January Porro money for the longer term than 6 months.

OR don't agitate Conte with January leaks to the press.

Exposing his combustible flaws isn't a victory for Levy, it's a collective failure for Tottenham

Had Levy chosen either path we almost certainly would have got somewhere between CL and ECL. We got the worst of both worlds.

No Europe is a lot of £6m match day revenues.

 

[ultimateloner]

If Conte wanted the money, why didn't he sign an extension during 2022?

Surely if that was his motive he would have gotten a much bigger pay off - or longer period on paid gardening leave waiting for his next job?

Did he just forget that his contract only ran until 2023?

If he did he's cost himself another £30-40m, or 2-3 years on similar paid leave.



DL's timing to sack him and replace with Stellini wasn't the least risky. It was objectively stupid. We've dropped from 4th to 8th/9th.

Either part with Conte via "mutual consent" during the World Cup and hire Poch, Tuchel or whoever else - and spend your January Porro money for the longer term than 6 months.

OR don't agitate Conte with January leaks to the press.

Exposing his combustible flaws isn't a victory for Levy, it's a collective failure for Tottenham

Had Levy chosen either path we almost certainly would have got somewhere between CL and ECL. We got the worst of both worlds.

No Europe is a lot of £6m match day revenues.

Sorry let me re-state my view. I think it led to confusion.
When i'm saying 'Conte wanting the money' Im referring to the period before this summer. I'm saying that he likely thought of us as a stop-gap option that might have worked out.
This is why he wouldn't sign an extension or re-locate to London; it's not something you would do for a stop-gap.
I think this short stint with us worked out for him (or as he had planned); he got paid well, his reputation hasn't been tarnished, and he is available for the upcoming summer where loads of player's contracts are up and hence recruitment opportunities are ample.

I disagree with your view on the Conte sacking. I don't think it's stupid.
However my view comes with alot of assumptions about how or what I perceive as realistic over a couple of months, and it would be exhausting to list out and make others read..

 

[blitzfyr]

Slot rumours gathering momentum perhaps suggests the fan pressure has at least focussed the minds of the board to lock it in and not risk a Nuno debacle. That being said I feel we are at a similar point to when Fonseca was nearly done and then a new DOF came in and fucked it all up… it couldn’t possibly happen again could it.

Feyenoord will also need clarity in order to give them time to get a replacement sorted so there is probably a narrowing window of opportunity. Also Slot has no lack of suitors despite us clearly being his first choice.

Would be even worse to miss out on him this time because I never felt there was as much of a fan consensus about Fonseca as there is about Slot, albeit Nagelsmann has a lot of support too.

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

Wish ENIC would buy a horse and name it Cumonuspurs.

Careful what you wish for, we would end up buying a donkey as it was a bargain at a fraction of the price.

We would then hire a jockey who has won the derby before and expect him to win the Derby on our donkey.

 

[easley91]

Football club ownership doesn't quite work like that as about 13 clubs in the PL haven't won a major trophy this century, should all their owners resign for being failures.
Should the owners of Leicester City resign, they sacked a manager that won them the PL title , recently sacked the manager who won them the FA cup and are now likely to be relegated but they do own a horse called The Foxes who won The Dante and is 10-1 for the Derby , so that should be some compensation for Leicester fans.
Wish ENIC would buy a horse and name it Cumonuspurs.

Once again..

 

[HedgieSpur]

I think they have interest in the football. They just don't want to compete with the big spenders and be the best. They will look at the table and be ok with top 8 thinking it's not the worst. They'll think a new manager can come in and just get us back up a few places again. As long as we're in the top half they're not going to be too concerned.

It’s well documented that Lewis has zero interest in football. He’s been to see us once in 22 years I believe..

I think football is the vehicle for their investment and the latter is what they are truly interested in

 

[mil1lion]

It’s well documented that Lewis has zero interest in football. He’s been to see us once in 22 years I believe..

I think football is the vehicle for their investment and the latter is what they are truly interested in

Nah I think they very much care about us being in Europe and being successful enough to fill the stadium. I think it will bother them if we're not in Europe next season. I just don't think they're as concerned about winning trophies. Europe is good enough. It keeps the money coming in. I think their motivation is just about being sustainable as a club. So they do care to that degree.

 

[alfie103]

Nah I think they very much care about us being in Europe and being successful enough to fill the stadium. I think it will bother them if we're not in Europe next season. I just don't think they're as concerned about winning trophies. Europe is good enough. It keeps the money coming in. I think their motivation is just about being sustainable as a club. So they do care to that degree.

To me, what you say suggests they aren't particularly interested in the footballing aspects and are only really concerned about the financial aspects.

 

[HedgieSpur]

I think you under-estimate how much of a snake Conte is.
IMO his decision to intentionally forced himself to get sacked at that time is planned from the outset; at the time of his appointment. This is the reason why he never truly settled.
He wanted the money and felt there was a slight chance we could have worked out (which it did last season); and he knew this summer was a big opportunity because loads of contracts are expiring; this is when a manager can truly flex their muscle.
He was never going to 'stick with us' for top 4; he left just as we were slipping but was still top 4, so that he can say 'things turned ugly' after he left to justify his prowess. If you are a potential employer and dont follow Spurs then it would indeed seem like 'things imploded after he left'.

DL probably saw this coming but the way we imploded was unlikely to get fixed by any immediate/short term action. He knew top 4 wasn't likely this season when Conte had left so he made the cheapest/least risky managerial appointments, and here we are.

This is paranoid hyperbole at best .

Sheesh

 

[alfie103]

yeah hence my reply was only from a shareholder perspective, not as a fan.

Ah fair enough, I apologise.

 

[alfie103]

The discussion here seem to be about why Levy keeps his job. And that it is due to him running the business well and making money for his boss. Lewis has no reason to sack Levy, he's doing a brilliant job for those that hire him. You and the rest of us supporters have no direct say in the matter.

Yeah that is a fair point. For me, the discussions need to change as it seems we are losing sight of that we are a football club first and foremost.

 

[ultimateloner]

This is paranoid hyperbole at best .

Sheesh

I think the theory stacks up but that’s all it is. Guess work.

 

[ultimateloner]

Ah fair enough, I apologise.

Np. I think even DL would admit that the teams performance since poch hasn’t been good enough. We have regressed.

 

[Stamford]

I think the theory stacks up but that’s all it is. Guess work.

It doesnt stack up at all. Also Levy threw away the season by making the wrong appointment, we were still very much in the mix

 

[mil1lion]

To me, what you say suggests they aren't particularly interested in the footballing aspects and are only really concerned about the financial aspects.

They both go hand in hand. The money comes from our football success. I think its clear they are motivated more by the money generated than trophies for example. Thay was clear when sacking Jose before the final. Top 4 and champions league is more financially rewarding. I think this is where the issue is now because fans want trophies after so long without. Top 4 isn't enough for the fans anymore.

 

[dovahkiin]

Tottenham hold talks with betting experts in bid to overhaul transfer policy

Exclusive: Daniel Levy held talks with experts in a bid to emulate the success Brighton and Brentford have had in the transfer market

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[sidford]

So bloody reactive...