The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Fluteryid]

There's telling the truth and then there's absolving yourself of any responsibility.

He got some things wrong definitely. But what he said was bang on and he’s been proven right since.

 

[danielneeds]

Makes you wonder what would have to happen, for Levy to step away from the club? The little pat on the leg he got from his Mrs yesterday, without him even blinking, says a lot more than the gesture, I’d think.

He’s run his course, he’s not a football man. And I truly believe that at times when we could have stepped up a gear and really gone for it, he has deliberately not gone for the right option. The right option would put him out of his depth, and show him up. This guy is happy with us being a top 7-3 team and winning nothing, because it suits his own abilities to run us that way. The term ‘Spursy’ has only come about during his reign, and he is the most ‘Spursy’ thing about it all.

The thing is, the best thing to protect his investment would be to step down as chairman and just take a seat on the board. But he’s got too much hubris.

 

[Harrier]

If he didn't want to be here he could have used his surgery as a get out

He didn’t want to miss out on the healthy pay off.

 

[Wils]

He said during the Cambridge Uni interview that he feels most criticism is unwarranted. The guy has totally jumped the shark and lives in la-la land.

Agreed. I know he views himself as the "custodian" of the club. It could be argued that his way of doing things and believing only he knows best is a form of narcissism.

 

[DiVaio]

We were 3rd when we sacked Conte for telling the truth about the club. We’re more likely to finish 9th then even getting that bs conference league competition. Levy’s done his best to ruin the season with his penny smart, dollar stupid transfer dealings & his ego. Yet another mark on his stellar resumé.

We weren't 3rd, we were 4th and Newcastle(easily) and Brighton could overtake us with their games in hand. Bookmakers, Opta, FiveThirtyEight all gives us more chances to finish 7th than 9th lol.
Conte had to go after his comments, he lost the dressing room plus we won only 3 PL Games from 9 when he was managing us since World Cup. We really wouldn't be in better situation with Conte still being our manager

 

[septicsac]

Whether Conte should have said what he said at the time is all pie in the sky now. I do feel it was said out of pure built up frustration, likely borne out if dealing with Levy, wanting likes of Bastoni, getting Lenglet, players being bought he did not want, which is fine if you have those you do want and are future planning by purchasing youth.
Levy did same with JM , giving him Rodon instead of the quality centre back he wanted.
Levy's faults are too long to list, but sacking Conte and then going to Stelini and then Mason was nothing short of negligent and the league table bears this out, going from fighting for fourth to languishing in eight.
Nothing will change until he is removed from all football matters, Slot of JN may temporarily improve things and lighten the mood, but history tells us DL will screw them over as he has done everyone else. Close the door on your way out Danial.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

There's telling the truth and then there's absolving yourself of any responsibility.

One out of two ain’t bad, the guy that lies constantly and absolves himself of responsibility for years and years is still here screwing us over and same folks are on here defending him albeit a little more subtly than before as they know Danny Boy isn’t flavor of the month

Our club is a complete mess right now, not because of Conte, he’s just another scapegoat in the ever-growing list of scapegoats, the real culprit is still here tinkering away in his own unique way as his best of rest goal sets us lower and lower each year, if only there was an ESL old Danny COYS wouldn’t have to worry, he could collect his check and pass go, right now he’s just thinking over his latest get out of jail free move as his property and entertainment portfolio grows…

 

[SpursForever71]

Based in what people believe on here, unless he calls himself out then nothing he says matters.

Well when he said we will hire a coach based on our DNA, then hired Nuno, he either doesnt know what our DNA is as a club, or we cant believe a word he says

 

[SpursForever71]

No, but causality isn't correlation.

Silverware has been limited since the 80s

at least if you cant win trophies you can compete for them, since the champs league final, when was the last time we competed for anything

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

<Moved from the Manager thread as I was going off topic>

Doesn't he literally own a significant portion of the club? Not sure he needs to "grab" power?

He's a minority shareholder, so he's accountable to the other shareholders.

His job on behalf of the shareholders is to add value in assets and revenues by building a sporting structure of the best football brains our money can buy.

To empower them, whilst providing the oversight of governance and due diligence.

His job is NOT to loose the majority shareholders hundreds of millions of pounds by insisting on interfering in decisions he doesn't understand.

Our resident Land Economist has lost us £300,000,000 on bad or disjointed recruitment, whilst making the team worse, and falling out of Europe completely and all it's lost revenues.

Minority shareholder CEOs are often rightly removed for incompetence and poor performance, regardless of their past accomplishments.

If he weren't so intertwined with Joe Lewis in his other business dealings, he'd be rightly removed too.

With ENIC International Limited holding 85.55% of Spurs, Levy and his family own 29.4% of ENIC with Lewis owning 70.6%, while having a net worth of £4.33bn.15 Feb 2023

Not insignificant. Sorry I will desist.

Correct, so he owns what 25.1% of Tottenham?

He's accountable to the other 74.9%

 

[SpursForever71]

Littered with cup finals dont mean we won much? How many teams in that time were owned by countries?

I'm not happy with our direction of travel, but its not one point. There are many issues.

The main issue is the club has lost its SOUL. It sounds like you were watching in the same era as me. White Hart Lane, Hoddle, Waddle, Anderton, Gascoigne, Lineker, Mabbutt, Clive Allen etc. Even if we didn't win or were crap some days, we still had a soul as a football club. Now we are a corporate money making machine, where most of the money doesnt go in to the football team.
Levy got lucky with Kane, who only got the chance because Soldado flopped, and we pretty much havent bought a striker since lol.

I know Levy isnt the only problem, but the man at the top, making the decisions, has to take the brunt of the responsibility.

 

[g_harry]

Conte had to go after those comments.

Someone had to go alright and it wasn't Conte.

 

[SpursForever71]

No, they don't. I'll still be there. I've been going when it's much worse.

I want to compete, but I'm not some spoilt child. I can wait


I heard plenty of anti semitic phrases being thrown at Levy today

thats the thing for me. We dont have to win something all the time, just to compete would be good for me. Poch's era will always be remebered because we competed even though we didnt win anything.

 

[Hoopspur]

<Moved from the Manager thread as I was going off topic>



He's a minority shareholder, so he's accountable to the other shareholders.

His job on behalf of the shareholders is to add value in assets and revenues by building a sporting structure of the best football brains our money can buy.

To empower them, whilst providing the oversight of governance and due diligence.

His job is NOT to loose the majority shareholders hundreds of millions of pounds by insisting on interfering in decisions he doesn't understand.

Our resident Land Economist has lost us £300,000,000 on bad or disjointed recruitment, whilst making the team worse, and falling out of Europe completely and all it's lost revenues.

Minority shareholder CEOs are often rightly removed for incompetence and poor performance, regardless of their past accomplishments.

If he weren't so intertwined with Joe Lewis in his other business dealings, he'd be rightly removed too.



Correct, so he owns what 25.1% of Tottenham?

He's accountable to the other 74.9%

Thanks. Primarily owned by Lewis. If he is in essence ‘relatively’ happy with the way things are going then what choice? It will be his call.

BUT I do not understand enough of the ‘deep’ financial implications. All I do say is that those that want him, but probably Enic, out had better rustle up the £4 billion required. I’m not going to get into any arguments over this - there are many that are ‘activists’ in regards to this.

 

[SpursForever71]

There's telling the truth and then there's absolving yourself of any responsibility.

Conte was bang on in my opinion, and to be honest, the players and club have done nothing to prove him wrong since he left (when we were 4th iirc?)

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Thanks. Primarily owned by Lewis. If he is in essence ‘relatively’ happy with the way things are going then what choice? It will be his call.

BUT I do not understand enough of the ‘deep’ financial implications. All I do say is that those that want him, but probably Enic, out had better rustle up the £4 billion required. I’m not going to get into any arguments over this - there are many that are ‘activists’ in regards to this.

In terms of pure power it largely resides with Lewis, yes.

They're involved in too many property deals together outside of THFC for him to risk rocking the boat and find a replacement (I'm not sure his daughter feels the same way).

If it were any PLC in any other industry, Levy would have been fired by the shareholders.

You don't get to live on past glories, and of late he's cost the business and it's shareholders fortunes in bad strategy, poorly executed.

In reality the only way Levy goes is if fans make enough noise, and do what United fans did very effectively which is protest to Sponsors.

That made the Glazers realise they'd maxed out their easy wins and decide to cash in.

It won't be fun for Levy to sit there being booed every season, so eventually there will be a tipping point where he's maxed the value, realised he keeps messing up and pissed everyone off, and decides to go.

I'd be perfectly happy if he changed his ways, and put people around him to recognise his weaknesses, but unfortunately one of those weaknesses is ignoring those very people with greater expertise.

 

[Hoopspur]

In terms of pure power it largely resides with Lewis, yes.

They're involved in too many property deals together outside of THFC for him to risk rocking the boat and find a replacement (I'm not sure his daughter feels the same way).

If it were any PLC in any other industry, Levy would have been fired by the shareholders.

You don't get to live on past glories, and of late he's cost the business and it's shareholders fortunes in bad strategy, poorly executed.

In reality the only way Levy goes is if fans make enough noise, and do what United fans did very effectively which is protest to Sponsors.

That made the Glazers realise they'd maxed out their easy wins and decide to cash in.

It won't be fun for Levy to sit there being booed every season, so eventually there will be a tipping point where he's maxed the value, realised he keeps messing up and pissed everyone off, and decides to go.

I'd be perfectly happy if he changed his ways, and put people around him to recognise his weaknesses, but unfortunately one of those weaknesses is ignoring those very people with greater expertise.

As I did say I don’t really want to get drawn into this subject - something I know little about (other than being a ST holder for a lot of years). Are you therefore suggesting that DL is relieved of his duties as CEO and a replacement is found, whilst retaining his shareholding, or ENIC as a whole should just step aside and sell on the cheap to some random State?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Well when he said we will hire a coach based on our DNA, then hired Nuno, he either doesnt know what our DNA is as a club, or we cant believe a word he says

To be fair we were 99% of the way to hiring Fonseca who would’ve played the exact style of football we want to see but then ironically his DofF hire Paratici overruled him, tried to go for Gattuso then we ended up with Nuno.

It’s ironic because we all said Levy should not interfere and let the DofF make the football decisions but in that case it backfired because the guy who Levy hired doesn’t share our clubs football philosophy so he wasn’t interested in Fonseca and essentially wanted a more pragmatic defensive coach which Italian football and people have traditionally often favoured.

So it rolls back around to Levy’s fault for hiring Paratici who also never was a good fit for us. Luckily for Levy Paraitic got the ban and now Levy has a chance to right his wrongs.

If we hire any of Slot, JN, Big Ange and a DofF to match then he has learned from his mistakes of the last 3 years.

I don’t usually trust a word he says but In this case all signs point towards us hiring at least a manager who is a better fit and plays a better style of football than Jose, Nuno and Conte

 

[SpursForever71]

To be fair we were 99% of the way to hiring Fonseca who would’ve played the exact style of football we want to see but then ironically his DofF hire Paratici overruled him, tried to go for Gattuso then we ended up with Nuno.

It’s ironic because we all said Levy should not interfere and let the DofF make the football decisions but in that case it backfired because the guy who Levy hired doesn’t share our clubs football philosophy so he wasn’t interested in Fonseca and essentially wanted a more pragmatic defensive coach which Italian football and people have traditionally often favoured.

So it rolls back around to Levy’s fault for hiring Paratici who also never was a good fit for us. Luckily for Levy Paraitic got the ban and now Levy has a chance to right his wrongs.

If we hire any of Slot, JN, Big Ange and a DofF to match then he has learned from his mistakes of the last 3 years.

I don’t usually trust a word he says but In this case all signs point towards us hiring at least a manager who is a better fit and plays a better style of football than Jose, Nuno and Conte

i still believe Conte could of worked, until Conte worked us out, but we will never know.
Also if\when we do hire an attacking coach, will it matter if the board dont support him (as it happened with Poch in the end~).

 

[inclineyid]

In terms of pure power it largely resides with Lewis, yes.

They're involved in too many property deals together outside of THFC for him to risk rocking the boat and find a replacement (I'm not sure his daughter feels the same way).

If it were any PLC in any other industry, Levy would have been fired by the shareholders.

You don't get to live on past glories, and of late he's cost the business and it's shareholders fortunes in bad strategy, poorly executed.

In reality the only way Levy goes is if fans make enough noise, and do what United fans did very effectively which is protest to Sponsors.

That made the Glazers realise they'd maxed out their easy wins and decide to cash in.

It won't be fun for Levy to sit there being booed every season, so eventually there will be a tipping point where he's maxed the value, realised he keeps messing up and pissed everyone off, and decides to go.

I'd be perfectly happy if he changed his ways, and put people around him to recognise his weaknesses, but unfortunately one of those weaknesses is ignoring those very people with greater expertise.

It’s a private company not a PLC mate so your point is kind of moot unfortunately (speaking as a very small minority shareholder myself!)