The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[SirHarryHotspur]

I think if I supported some of the other teams, I would share a similar opinion. I would rather go for a cup and try to win it and risk relegation then just to finish in the bottom half each year.

Perfect example of winning cup and getting relegated are Wigan , reckon the finance director at Wigan would like crowds of circa 19,000 back,

Wigan Athletic - Change in attendance figures

Die Entwicklung der Besucherzahlen zeigt an, wie sich das Zuschauerinteresse für den Verein Wigan im Vergleich der Saisons entwickelt hat.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Why, are you a glory hunter or something?
I mean, what's the point in supporting any team if your only aim is to win trophies?
It's the dream of every fan but they don't throw the towel in if it doesn't happen.

I took my kids down to watch our local team the other week and we were proud to be part of a record attendance...of 470 people.
There's no chance that Haywards Heath Town are winning anything anytime soon buty kids really enjoyed being there and cheering them on, so much so that they want to now go to every home game.

There's more to football and supporting a club than the trophies they win.

Only trophies matter and that's why Juande Ramos has been our best manager this century.

 

[alfie103]

Why, are you a glory hunter or something?
I mean, what's the point in supporting any team if your only aim is to win trophies?
It's the dream of every fan but they don't throw the towel in if it doesn't happen.

I took my kids down to watch our local team the other week and we were proud to be part of a record attendance...of 470 people.
There's no chance that Haywards Heath Town are winning anything anytime soon buty kids really enjoyed being there and cheering them on, so much so that they want to now go to every home game.

There's more to football and supporting a club than the trophies they win.

I just don't want the club I support being turned into a business for some prick to make a lot of money off at the expense of success for the football team

 

[McFlash]

Only trophies matter and that's why Juande Ramos has been our best manager this century.

And George Graham before him?!

 

[Styopa]

Why, are you a glory hunter or something?
I mean, what's the point in supporting any team if your only aim is to win trophies?
It's the dream of every fan but they don't throw the towel in if it doesn't happen.

I took my kids down to watch our local team the other week and we were proud to be part of a record attendance...of 470 people.
There's no chance that Haywards Heath Town are winning anything anytime soon buty kids really enjoyed being there and cheering them on, so much so that they want to now go to every home game.

There's more to football and supporting a club than the trophies they win.

To be honest, the best thing about winning a trophy must be the “journey” to winning that trophy. Once it’s won, it’s won, and before you know it, it’s time to start over again. The actual glory of winning the trophy itself is very fleeting and football fans tend to have forgotten it by the following season anyway.

 

[alfie103]

Perfect example of winning cup and getting relegated are Wigan , reckon the finance director at Wigan would like crowds of circa 19,000 back,

Wigan Athletic - Change in attendance figures

Die Entwicklung der Besucherzahlen zeigt an, wie sich das Zuschauerinteresse für den Verein Wigan im Vergleich der Saisons entwickelt hat.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Well as long as the financial director is happy, that's the main thing

 

[McFlash]

I just don't want the club I support being turned into a business for some prick to make a lot of money off at the expense of success for the football team

I get that but sadly, at the top of the table, it's the nature of the beast.
Unless you cheat like Chelsea and City, you need to be a successful business to compete and anyone who runs a successful business will want to make money out if it.
That's just what we have to deal with as Spurs fans.

Personally, I believe we're about to enter a period of challenging and I also think we'll see a trophy in the next year or two.

 

[kmk]

I just don't want the club I support being turned into a business for some prick to make a lot of money off at the expense of success for the football team

What evidence is there that Levy and ENIC don’t want to win trophies?

Why bother building an expensive stadium if you are happy to coast along mid table?

 

[alfie103]

What evidence is there that Levy and ENIC don’t want to win trophies?

Why bother building an expensive stadium if you are happy to coast along mid table?

Because the club will be worth a lot more money if the club comes with a multi-purpose stadium in London.

 

[McFlash]

To be honest, the best thing about winning a trophy must be the “journey” to winning that trophy. Once it’s won, it’s won, and before you know it, it’s time to start over again. The actual glory of winning the trophy itself is very fleeting and football fans tend to have forgotten it by the following season anyway.

Yep and I also reckon that if oppo fans weren't using the whole trophy thing as a cheap way of digging us out (which clearly works as so many are agitated about it), most fans wouldn't be as bothered as they are.
I mean, when the likes of Brighton and Villa are having a pop about trophies, you've got to step back and realise that it's a bullshit thing to say.

 

[alfie103]

Yep and I also reckon that if oppo fans weren't using the whole trophy thing as a cheap way of digging us out (which clearly works as so many are agitated about it), most fans wouldn't be as bothered as they are.
I mean, when the likes of Brighton and Villa are having a pop about trophies, you've got to step back and realise that it's a bullshit thing to say.

I don't think it is a bullshit thing to say. Isn't the point of becoming a rich club with lots of revenue is to then spend that on the football team so we have the best chance of winning the biggest competitions?

 

[McFlash]

I don't think it is a bullshit thing to say. Isn't the point of becoming a rich club with lots of revenue is to then spend that on the football team so we have the best chance of winning the biggest competitions?

And recently, we have been, haven't we?
We've rebuilt the squad with young and talented players and have some great youth prospects waiting in the wings.
Apart from a trophy now, I'm not sure what else you want them to be doing.

These things don't happen overnight.

 

[kmk]

Because the club will be worth a lot more money if the club comes with a multi-purpose stadium in London.

The majority of revenue is linked to football.

If Levy wasn’t bothered by football results, he wouldn’t have spent millions unwisely hiring Mourinho and Conte.

 

[ohtottenham!]

And recently, we have been, haven't we?
We've rebuilt the squad with young and talented players and have some great youth prospects waiting in the wings.
Apart from a trophy now, I'm not sure what else you want them to be doing.

These things don't happen overnight.

It's been a long overnight since our last major trophy - FA Cup '91. I agree with you that we're currently doing the right things to get there again. We need to maintain that.

 

[mil1lion]

Is that it then? Our main priority is the competition(s) which provides the most financial benefits?

Not sure but I've always got the impression we only ever build a squad strong enough to qualify for Europe each season. We always seem to stop short of pushing the boat out and going the extra to challenge. It's clear that we must keep up league form or the manager will get sacked. The most telling indication was sacking Jose before the league cup final. Poch was sacked soon after a CL final too. If you want to win titles though you need the quality in depth we've always been lacking. Hopefully that is changing now as the squad is getting stronger but time will tell.

 

[alfie103]

The majority of revenue is linked to football.

If Levy wasn’t bothered by football results, he wouldn’t have spent millions unwisely hiring Mourinho and Conte.

For me, I think Mourinho said he could get us to the next level with the current squad which probably sounded like music to Levy's ears, Once Mourinho wanted major investment, he didn't get it. Conte only came in when he panicked about the crowd reaction after our 3-0 loss to Man Utd.

 

[Japhet]

All true and don’t get me wrong I’m very happy right now and also I get that Levy can’t 100% control the results and he doesn’t manage the team, HOWEVER… he sets the culture of the club from the top and for a while I think finances were more important than winning, I also think that a ton of our managers were constantly left short in certain areas or squad depth and strength over the last ‘20+ years’ and those ‘fine margins’ can often be because of 1-2 extra or better players, or ones who’d been signed earlier in a window for example etc etc.

Levy also sacked George Graham before an FA Cup Semi which Hoddle went on to lose, he didn’t properly back Redknapp in the market to push on for a title charge when he could’ve, he left Poch short in squad depth which likely cost us an FA cup semi and arguably a PL title, he sacked Jose before a cup final etc etc so I do think directly or indirectly Levy has been a big reason why a few of the trophies that could’ve, haven’t fallen our way.

Overall however the club has improved in every area : stadium, training ground, revenue, league finishes.

We now have a fully aligned football operating model

Next step is to be fighting on all fronts season in season out, putting ourselves within touching distance of trophy wins and then getting over the line.

Id love to see us go full strength in the Carabao cup next season and give that a real good go to hopefully kick start our trophy cabinet with one in the bag early in the season in the way that Mouriniho did when he first joined Chelsea under Abramovic, then I’d like to see us follow it up with the FA Cup and League and finally a European trophy, so what I’m saying is we win the quadruple next season under Ange.

He's always being accused of not backing managers. Lots of them didn't deserve backing though. Poch turned down what we could afford and went into a deep sulk when DeJong went to Barcelona (who'd have thought?). Redknapp couldn't stop flashing his knickers at the England job (even though we'd stuck by him through all the dodgy tax stuff). Mourinho said he didn't need players when he signed on and then suddenly decided he did. He then served up the worst football I've seen from Spurs in decades. Conte only wanted ageing players or ones on massive wages but was also acting like a brat a lot of the time and eventually made sure we had to sack him. I'm glad he didn't chuck money at any of them. My biggest criticism of Levy (SuperLeague apart) is that he appointed Mourinho and Conte in the first place but everything after that panned out just as I suspected.

I just hope that he recognizes what we have right now though with Ange, Paratici, Lange and Munn and I think he can take a lot of credit for putting that team together. All he has to do now is stay out of their way.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Why, are you a glory hunter or something?
I mean, what's the point in supporting any team if your only aim is to win trophies?
It's the dream of every fan but they don't throw the towel in if it doesn't happen.

I took my kids down to watch our local team the other week and we were proud to be part of a record attendance...of 470 people.
There's no chance that Haywards Heath Town are winning anything anytime soon but my kids really enjoyed being there and cheering them on, so much so that they want to now go to every home game.

There's more to football and supporting a club than the trophies they win.

Devils advocate here

Eventually we need to take that step from being an “almost” club to being champions.

There are plenty of reasons to enjoy football, but the main aim of the game is to win and by proxy win trophies, otherwise what’s the point at the end of the day? We have to remember that.

Your analogy is a bit flawed too, no one expects Heath Town to win anything but when you look at everything around our club we are setup to be champions and that’s the only thing left for us to achieve to solidify our spot at the big boys table.

Our stadium, revenue and training facilities are already world class, it’s just the on field success that’s missing. No one is going to take us seriously until we finally win something.

 

[ohtottenham!]

Devils advocate here

Eventually we need to take that step from being an “almost” club to being champions.

There are plenty of reasons to enjoy football, but the main aim of the game is to win and by proxy win trophies, otherwise what’s the point at the end of the day? We have to remember that.

Your analogy is a bit flawed too, no one expects Heath Town to win anything but when you look at everything around our club we are setup to be champions and that’s the only thing left for us to achieve to solidify our spot at the big boys table.

Our stadium, revenue and training facilities are already world class, it’s just the on field success that’s missing. No one is going to take us seriously until we finally win something.

Yep, for the organically big clubs, and I'd include us in that bracket, winning trophies is essential. It's a major component of what constitutes being a big club.

I think a demanding fanbase is sometimes confused with an entitled one. Winning trophies raises expectations of winning future trophies. That's a good thing. That's what United, Liverpool and Arse do and have done since we last won the FA Cup 33 years ago.

 

[vegassd]

I just don't want the club I support being turned into a business for some prick to make a lot of money off at the expense of success for the football team

No matter what your views on Levy might be, top level football clubs have to be successful businesses now in order to be successful on the pitch, bar a few exceptions. It's the nature of the beast. If that is going to wind you up, then I fear you will be frustrated as a football fan.

I do think your logic is flawed. I think it's fair to associate squad spending with an increased chance of success. So for a higher chance of success we need to invest in the squad. In order to invest in the squad we need to make money. In order to make money we need a good business model.

But there are no guarantees in any of this. There is not an amount of spending that equals 1st, 2nd and 3rd place in the league, nor is there an amount of spending that equals an FA cup win. It doesn't work like that.

If you are truly against supporting a profitable club you probably need to leave the Premier League alone and support your local team. The teams who regularly finish in the the top half of the PL are on the whole going to be profitable (or at least have massive revenues). And those who don't regularly finish up there are not going to be troubling the trophy engravers very often. It's a shame... but I think it's the reality of the sport these days.