The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Mattspur]

Man complains about hyperbole and people not being factual, then pulls just that sort of thing out of his arse.

Typical trolling behaviour, just trying to be edgy and argumentative.

calm down mate. I started replying but I don’t know if you were aware, but there was a football match on tonight. I’ll reply to you shortly.

 

[McFlash]

Do you expect us to buy 5 players at 60m?

It's been reported that only spence was a "club signing". No rational person thought we'd fix all the problems in one window

Of course I don't but then I also don't think that you have to spend 60m to get a decent player.
You can't judge a player by how much they cost.

 

[McFlash]

calm down mate. I started replying but I don’t know if you were aware, but there was a football match on tonight. I’ll reply to you shortly.

Mate, don't bother.

 

[Mattspur]

Mate, don't bother.

Well I can see that other posters have already put you straight, so I won’t.

 

[McFlash]

Well I can see that other posters have already put you straight, so I won’t.

Yeah, nice escape...really smooth.

 

[Mattspur]

Yeah, nice escape...really smooth.

I was happy to reply to you and told you as much. You, rather rudely, told me not to, and now you're saying "nice escape"? What are you talking about? You clearly aren't very "smooth".

 

[Albertbarich]

Arsenal lost , Chelsea lost and I made an absolutely banging Cottage pie. No need to argue tonight folks.

 

[Hotspur33]

Arsenal lost , Chelsea lost and I made an absolutely banging Cottage pie. No need to argue tonight folks.

#cottagepieout

 

[McFlash]

I was happy to reply to you and told you as much. You, rather rudely, told me not to, and now you're saying "nice escape"? What are you talking about? You clearly aren't very "smooth".

Well sorry if I was rude and hurt your feelings but seeing as though you replied to a post after mine which didn't even quote you, it was easy to presume you were just ignoring the question.

Didn't realise it would take you so long to construct a reply to what was a pretty simple question.

Apparently I've already been "put straight" though...
You don't like people having a different view to you, do you?

 

[Mattspur]

Well sorry if I was rude and hurt your feelings but seeing as though you replied to a post after mine which didn't even quote you, it was easy to presume you were just ignoring the question.

Didn't realise it would take you so long to construct a reply to what was a pretty simple question.

Apparently I've already been "put straight" though...
You don't like people having a different view to you, do you?

Like I said. I was watching the football. If you must know, I was putting my daughter to bed too. You're not that high up on my list of priorities. The post I replied to after yours was a 1 liner and didn't take up much time, but as you can see, that was at 8:02 and the game had just started. I don't purposely ignore any questions that people ask me but I do have a life outside SC so I'll get back to you when I can.

You can have whatever view you want. I couldn't care less. You're the one who keeps calling me out. I haven't asked you to converse with me at all.

 

[McFlash]

. I haven't asked you to converse with me at all.

Oh, sorry I didn't realise we needed invitations on here, my bad.

 

[chas vs dave]

Exactly. Pep wanted Maguire, Cucurella and Kane at different points but even his owners with their bottomless pits of cash wouldn't just get him who he wanted.

I think the context is missed when some of our managers complain they didn't get who they wanted. For example Redknapp said he asked for Levy to sign Tevez from man city. I know Redknapp is not the brightest spark but ffs we were never gonna pay his wages.

I'm sure all owners tell managers they will try and back them but if even Man City can't get number one choices then there should never be an expectations that other clubs can.

Yet you get disagrees from people who can't differentiate from an email address and a handle name .

 

[chas vs dave]

Of course I don't but then I also don't think that you have to spend 60m to get a decent player.
You can't judge a player by how much they cost.

Yet half the people on here talk about being a skin flint.

I've said the same thing for months.

 

[McFlash]

Exactly. Pep wanted Maguire, Cucurella and Kane at different points but even his owners with their bottomless pits of cash wouldn't just get him who he wanted.

I think the context is missed when some of our managers complain they didn't get who they wanted. For example Redknapp said he asked for Levy to sign Tevez from man city. I know Redknapp is not the brightest spark but ffs we were never gonna pay his wages.

I'm sure all owners tell managers they will try and back them but if even Man City can't get number one choices then there should never be an expectations that other clubs can.

Of course, no club can get whoever the manager may want but it feels like sometimes we don't even try to get a suitable alternative.
Then Levy seems to go rogue and just get in whatever bargain he can find.

Maybe we couldn't get Bastoni or Gvardiol but I can't believe that the best possible alternative was Lenglet on loan.

To be honest, I just don't get Levy because he's clearly not tight (as he's often called) but things like Porro don't really make sense.
Spending big in a specialist rwb for a manager that none of us though was going to stay.

It's this weird approach that gets me and why I've formed the opinion that Levy doesn't really have any vision as to what he wants us to be.
He won't spend big on a CB that we've been crying out for but will spend 40m on a highly specialised (and quite possibly limited) player that the next manager might not even want.
It once again felt like a panic buy.

 

[McFlash]

Yet half the people on here talk about being a skin flint.

I've said the same thing for months.

He's not a skinflint, he's just useless at succession planning and squad building.
He spends in the wrong places and at the wrong time.

 

[chas vs dave]

Of course, no club can get whoever the manager may want but it feels like sometimes we don't even try to get a suitable alternative.
Then Levy seems to go rogue and just get in whatever bargain he can find.

Maybe we couldn't get Bastoni or Gvardiol but I can't believe that the best possible alternative was Lenglet on loan.

To be honest, I just don't get Levy because he's clearly not tight (as he's often called) but things like Porro don't really make sense.
Spending big in a specialist rwb for a manager that none of us though was going to stay.

It's this weird approach that gets me and why I've formed the opinion that Levy doesn't really have any vision as to what he wants us to be.
He won't spend big on a CB that we've been crying out for but will spend 40m on a highly specialised (and quite possibly limited) player that the next manager might not even want.
It once again felt like a panic buy.

Do you think they just go out and buy someone without consulting with the manager?

Conte wanted lenglet at inter. Perisic was 100% his buy.

There was an article that conte spoke to spence before he signed.

Do you actually think paratici signed players that conte didn't agree to?

 

[chas vs dave]

He's not a skinflint, he's just useless at succession planning and squad building.
He spends in the wrong places and at the wrong time.

Levy, or the people he employs?

Yes, he's ultimately responsible. But you'd think he trusts the people he employed to sign players.

Again, we are going round in circles. I've said our recruitment has been shit. That's apparent.

 

[Stamford]

On revenue we're 5th in England and 9th in the world. So reasonable expectations might look like this:

• Consistently playing good football.
• Qualifying for the Champions League more often than not, especially from next year when 5th in England will normally get a place.
• Occasionally having a poor season where with several games to go we're out of the UCL race, but also occasionally having a good season where we challenge for the title.
• Having sufficient squad depth to perform reasonably in domestic cups even when we rotate.
• Consistently very strong European performances given our greater financial strength than all bar 5 clubs on the continent - UCL quarter-finals, or at least getting to the semi-final if we're in the Europa. The Conference League should be winnable even with some rotation throughout.
• Comparable ticket prices to e.g. Arsenal who are similar in expectations, location, and having a modern ground. They charge an average of £1,095 when they are in the Europa, including 7 cup matches. Our prices are significantly higher despite no cup games being included.

Highly defensive football, terrible cup performances (not failing to win them, but losing to the likes of Colchester, Mura, Pacos de Ferreira etc), the most expensive tickets in the world, and mediocre league performances four years in a row now is not reasonable. It's not outside our control. It's the result of some very, very, very bad decision-making. Which is a real shame because I do think the board generally did fairly well up until that infamous no-transfers-window.

no one can argue against that

 

[Mattspur]

I did mean linear is an assumption that merely appointing a big name is a recipe for success.

You are actually conversing with someone who actually appreciates a sustainable model for a football club. I don't hate Levy, I'm not looking for him to leave the club. I think that people believe that you are some kind of acolyte for ENIC - I don't believe that to be the case - I think that you can see his shortcomings but perhaps feel a little backed into a corner by the vociferous nature of the criticism so I thought that it might be nice for people to see that you aren't trying to suggest that.

Of course I'm not a acolyte for ENIC. They've got loads of stuff wrong in my opinion. I don't feel backed into a corner though. I just feel that on balance the good far outweighs the bad and he hasn't made mistakes which I think are worthy of trying to hound him out of the club.(as if that were even possible). I do however think the vociferous nature of the criticism is cult like and it's both unhelpful and uncalled for.

I also don't understand all those who are still going on about Levy having nothing to do with the football side of the business and just focusing on the commercial side. That's exactly what he said he's been trying to do for at least the last 2 years. And now we've appointed Scott Munn to do exactly what they and Levy have been calling for they're all, I don't believe him, and they're still calling for Levy to step away from the football side of the club. That's what he's doing. Give it a chance.

 

[McFlash]

Do you think they just go out and buy someone without consulting with the manager?

Conte wanted lenglet at inter. Perisic was 100% his buy.

There was an article that conte spoke to spence before he signed.

Do you actually think paratici signed players that conte didn't agree to?

Honestly? I don't know but there's one constant in all these years that our squad has regressed and become so disjointed and that's Levy.

There's so much work to be done now it's ridiculous.
New keeper needed, new cb's, some creativity in midfield, another rwf and some permanent back up/potential replacement for Son.
And that's just to stay competitive.

There's no way we can patch all these holes in one, or even two, windows but we've just spent 40m on another r(w)b when we already have 2 and have just let one go for nothing.

We've gone so far backwards in the last 5 or so years, it's frightening.