The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[Metalhead]

My biggest frustration has been watching us under Conte this season . He did a great job last season getting us CL, but this season we never got going. The football has been dreadful and in my 19 years of having a season ticket I've never enjoyed going to games less than I have now.

Some things I would have done differently:

1. I would both lower ticket prices and include home cup and european games in the price, like we used to.

2. I would have made sure that the DoF had an ethos which aligned to that of the club so his decisions reflected that.

3. I wouldn't have sold Berbatov on deadline day.

4. I wouldn't have allowed Dembele to leave mid-season without a replacement coming in.

5. I wouldn't have chased glory by appointing Jose and then Conte. I would have appointed a manager who was in it for the long term.

Vote for me!!

I know you’re not asking me but I think we can all agree the summer of no-spendy and low investment that period has caused problems for us. Although it was the height of NDP overrun, so I can understand the pressures. With hindsight the managerial appointments were all bad but I thought they were good at the time. Same with Fab, which was probably worthwhile even now.

Super League was us being dragged along without being left with the also-rans, which I can also understand.

I do think that there are certainly a lot of factors in play. It is good that he has acknowledged an issue with player recruitment but it is frustrating that there is a lack of joined up thinking when it comes to an ethos - Levy has gambled on two big names bringing success, seemingly without a thought as to how to marry it up with the player recruitment side of things and in between a coach that, without wishing to be rude, was clearly far from a first choice.

That, for me personally and I'm sure many others is a massive example of a linear rather than holistic approach to achieving success. It just baffles me that after 22 years, he still manages to get it so wrong.

I like the model in terms of sustainability but - and I hope that the appointment of Munn is finally an acceptance or this, Levy is better of sticking to what he does so well. Let's have some proactive thinking (not fan forums that are clearly a reaction to a bad result and not a result of some well thought out strategy) and finally a front foot approach to the football side of the club. I know what Levy is saying with the whole "coaches on the continent last a couple of seasons at most" comments that he made in Cambridge and that the British ethos is unique but clearly his approach isn't sustainable.

 

[soup]

I’ve never seen so much pressure in the media covering Levy as there is at the moment. It really feels like everyone has found him out, all at once.

He has played the ‘some of the people, all of the time, all of the people, some of the time’ card pretty well over the past 22 years, but when you’ve gone and upset both sides of the fan base over that time the patience and understanding run out.

People follow this club for a reason and mainly due to its traditions and heritage of playing exciting, swashbuckling football and within that is the expression of a lot of our personalities I’d imagine, and often the case of other fans I’ve met over the years…A little bit risky, a little bit romantic, likes to be on the front foot (and sometimes to a fault) and in their element when the odds are against them. That’s Spurs fo

Levy’s problem, throughout all the stellar work he has done, is that he’s never seemed quite fit that mould. Fair dos we’ve all got vastly different personalities on here but I’m sure most of us would agree on why we decided to support spurs. Even if it was down to family, locality or whatever the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and those traits are in there somewhere.

He has been close on several occasions and shown signs of that daring attitude, just often on other pursuits and maybe sees brinkmanship and off-the-cuff decisions as being truly daring. So he’s got it but he’s just not tuned in correctly.

So it feels like a new dawn for me, he’s getting it in both ends atm, and if he’s anything, I’d hope he’s not stupid enough to think he can brush it under the carpet this time.

The best itk we could get is that there is tangible evidence he has wilfully changed, admits his mistakes, for real this time, and he can do a lot, lot better with the tools and club he has.

As others have said, if he knew how to run a football club he’d be dangerous, and so would we. The potential from where we are now is huge.

It’ll take a lot to prove he’s not crying wolf again, but it’ll be fascinating to watch him if he truly changes his ways.

I look forward to hearing in the future that this was a watershed moment and not just another bed wetting on his part.

 

[Mattspur]

I do think that there are certainly a lot of factors in play. It is good that he has acknowledged an issue with player recruitment but it is frustrating that there is a lack of joined up thinking when it comes to an ethos - Levy has gambled on two big names bringing success, seemingly without a thought as to how to marry it up with the player recruitment side of things and in between a coach that, without wishing to be rude, was clearly far from a first choice.

That, for me personally and I'm sure many others is a massive example of a linear rather than holistic approach to achieving success. It just baffles me that after 22 years, he still manages to get it so wrong.

I like the model in terms of sustainability but - and I hope that the appointment of Munn is finally an acceptance or this, Levy is better of sticking to what he does so well. Let's have some proactive thinking (not fan forums that are clearly a reaction to a bad result and not a result of some well thought out strategy) and finally a front foot approach to the football side of the club. I know what Levy is saying with the whole "coaches on the continent last a couple of seasons at most" comments that he made in Cambridge and that the British ethos is unique but clearly his approach isn't sustainable.

I'm not sure I agree with you about player recruitment not being married up with the managers. I think that in the main they got what they wanted.

I'm not sure what you mean by a linear or holistic approach to success. Please could you explain what each means and possibly give examples of both?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The sooner he gets fired out of a cannon the better

 

[Snarfalicious]

The sooner he gets fired out of a cannon the better

The Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus coming to Tottenham Hotspur Stadium ITK?

 

[Metalhead]

I'm not sure I agree with you about player recruitment not being married up with the managers. I think that in the main they got what they wanted.

I'm not sure what you mean by a linear or holistic approach to success. Please could you explain what each means and possibly give examples of both?

Linear means, for example, not assuming that the appointment of a big name is a direct pathway to success or having a hit and hope approach to recruitment rather than really thinking about the type of coach that we have wanted. There seems to have been little thought beyond either the 'big name' or 'who else is available?' What do you think that he meant by DNA that time? We all assumed that it referred to the type of football that he wanted to see but again, an empty statement - no joined up thinking - not something well thought through but seemingly another sop.

With regard to player recruitment - Levy has himself admitted that it's not been acceptable in the past. We've wasted big money on players who haven't worked out or made punts that equally haven't worked out. No joined up thinking again.

 

[pablo73]

If only Spurs could defend as well as some of the posters in here we'd have won the premier league years ago.

 

[McFlash]

I'm not sure I agree with you about player recruitment not being married up with the managers. I think that in the main they got what they wanted.

I'm not sure what you mean by a linear or holistic approach to success. Please could you explain what each means and possibly give examples of both?

Do you actually believe your first paragraph?
I don't think a single manager has got what they wanted under Levy and there are numerous examples under each of them.
They get the odd player here and there but in the whole have to make do and mend.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

If only Spurs could defend as well as some of the posters in here we'd have won the premier league years ago.

Defend yeah but it's very Harry Maguire

 

[Mattspur]

Linear means, for example, not assuming that the appointment of a big name is a direct pathway to success or having a hit and hope approach to recruitment rather than really thinking about the type of coach that we have wanted. There seems to have been little thought beyond either the 'big name' or 'who else is available?' What do you think that he meant by DNA that time? We all assumed that it referred to the type of football that he wanted to see but again, an empty statement - no joined up thinking - not something well thought through but seemingly another sop.

With regard to player recruitment - Levy has himself admitted that it's not been acceptable in the past. We've wasted big money on players who haven't worked out or made punts that equally haven't worked out. No joined up thinking again.

Did you mean to say "not" assuming? or should it have said that linear means assuming a big name will bring success?

So what is the holistic approach you mentioned?

It's clear that when he spoke about the DNA he was talking about playing attractive football but obviously he appointed a DoF who had different ideas. That was certainly a mistake from Levy.

 

[Mattspur]

Defend yeah but it's very Harry Maguire

If only I earnt the same money.

 

[Metalhead]

Did you mean to say "not" assuming? or should it have said that linear means assuming a big name will bring success?

So what is the holistic approach you mentioned?

It's clear that when he spoke about the DNA he was talking about playing attractive football but obviously he appointed a DoF who had different ideas. That was certainly a mistake from Levy.

I did mean linear is an assumption that merely appointing a big name is a recipe for success.

You are actually conversing with someone who actually appreciates a sustainable model for a football club. I don't hate Levy, I'm not looking for him to leave the club. I think that people believe that you are some kind of acolyte for ENIC - I don't believe that to be the case - I think that you can see his shortcomings but perhaps feel a little backed into a corner by the vociferous nature of the criticism so I thought that it might be nice for people to see that you aren't trying to suggest that.

 

[McFlash]

Do you actually believe your first paragraph?
I don't think a single manager has got what they wanted under Levy and there are numerous examples under each of them.
They get the odd player here and there but in the whole have to make do and mend.

Why am I unsurprised to not get a response to this?

Man complains about hyperbole and people not being factual, then pulls just that sort of thing out of his arse.

Typical trolling behaviour, just trying to be edgy and argumentative.

 

[chas vs dave]

Why am I unsurprised to not get a response to this?

Man complains about hyperbole and people not being factual, then pulls just that sort of thing out of his arse.

Typical trolling behaviour, just trying to be edgy and argumentative.

most clubs have to make do.

People talk about arteta being backed.

He wanted mudryk - got trossard
Wanted caiceido - got Jorginho

They are potentially bottling the league now.

 

[McFlash]

most clubs have to make do.

People talk about arteta being backed.

He wanted mudryk - got trossard
Wanted caiceido - got Jorginho

They are potentially bottling the league now.

That's fair but making do isn't Saha and Nelson, Frazier Campbell, Joe Rodon, getting Sissoko when you wanted Mane or getting a bargain lwf when you wanted a rwf.

There's making do and then there's being given the wrong, or just plain bad players.

 

[chas vs dave]

That's fair but making do isn't Saha and Nelson, Frazier Campbell, Joe Rodon, getting Sissoko when you wanted Mane or getting a bargain lwf when you wanted a rwf.

There's making do and then there's being given the wrong, or just plain bad players.

I get that, but people keep dragging up saha and Nelson, frazer campbell it was 15 odd years ago.

We did the opposite in the last few windows.

 

[McFlash]

I get that, but people keep dragging up saha and Nelson, frazer campbell it was 15 odd years ago.

We did the opposite in the last few windows.

Did we do the opposite in the last few windows?
We got Spence, Lenglet on loan (when we've been after a CB for donkeys) and Danjuma. Even Perisic was a cheap, short term option.

Those I mentioned were just the first and most obvious examples that came to mind but it's been a recurring theme throughout Levy's tenure.
He seems to only be able to back a manager so far, then goes bargain hunting for second rate options.

It all stinks of doing the bare minimum possible at all times.

 

[chas vs dave]

He seems to only be able to back a manager so far, then goes bargain hunting for second rate options.

It all stinks of doing the bare minimum possible at all times.

Do you expect us to buy 5 players at 60m?

It's been reported that only spence was a "club signing". No rational person thought we'd fix all the problems in one window

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

most clubs have to make do.

People talk about arteta being backed.

He wanted mudryk - got trossard
Wanted caiceido - got Jorginho

They are potentially bottling the league now.

Exactly. Pep wanted Maguire, Cucurella and Kane at different points but even his owners with their bottomless pits of cash wouldn't just get him who he wanted.

I think the context is missed when some of our managers complain they didn't get who they wanted. For example Redknapp said he asked for Levy to sign Tevez from man city. I know Redknapp is not the brightest spark but ffs we were never gonna pay his wages.

I'm sure all owners tell managers they will try and back them but if even Man City can't get number one choices then there should never be an expectations that other clubs can.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Does anyone else think Levy is fucking about trying to see how Mason does before appointing a new manager if he does?
Wouldn't suprise if he holds off to end of season or evens offers it full time to Mason.

No.