The future of Spurs

[beats1]

I would like to see how Bergwijn does under a different manager as I still think he has got potential.

For me, I don't think Mourinho is the major issue but overall I agree

I would also say, spurs as a club has been a bad place to be for a while, we haven't developed talent in a long time even under Poch

Other than Son, which signing has been improved since being signed outside of the players Poch has had in his second transfer window?

In trying to become a top club we sacrificed our culture of developing players imo.(that doesn't mean we won't improve them but its less likely to happen)

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

I disagree on Bergwijn, he's a young player who needs time to grow, so far its not been great but its not his fault either

Pochettino wanted a massive revolution in playing staff..if you look at the players listed, a handful are the ones poch wanted to move on from. Just guessing but seems like Toby, Jan, Davies, Aurier, Dier and a few of the players sold last summer would have been his choice. I’m not a Poch apologist like some on here but he wanted to change things and it wasn’t happening quickly enough and it caught up to him. I think Jose has gotten the midfield and attack shored away but the defense has not come around. He thought he could fix it but Poch is proving to be right.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Our future will be much brighter if we take two steps back to assess where we are and where we need to be.

Recruitment for example has been pretty tragic recently, since we stopped signing potential (especially from the lower English leagues) and tried to sign ready made players. That has only really worked with 2-3 of our signings the rest have been duds. Rodon and Clarke are a good step in the right direction.

Do I think Mourinho is to blame for all our problems? No. But sadly I also realize he is probably not the right Manager for a rebuild. He came in to try get us over the line with the players we have and it hasn't worked out. If we are going to move him on then those culprits need to be out the door with him.

New Manager? Nagelsmann or Ten Haag for me please. Both have very entertaining play styles and tactics, as well as making good use of their youth players which is paramount to us getting back into gear.

 

[RichieS]

Just seen this. Both Poch and Rose were on record saying similar, Rose' "Google" comments were ridiculed and ultimately costly.

Poch "I am not in charge, I know nothing about the situation of my players," and "I am only coaching them, trying to get the best from them". Was the end game for his tenure.

There seems to be a clamour in some circles for us to bring in a DoF (I agree that we should return to that setup), but I wonder how many people are willing for the above to be our manager's default position?

 

[titan]

I know this wishful thinking. But let me try to connect some dots.

The word in the NFL is that Jeff Bezos is looking to get a football team. We would be the perfect scenario for him:
Brand new state of the dual purpose stadium
If he were to purchase the club he would also probably negotiate for all the property in the area that the club owns
Stadium does not as of yet have naming rights, which would be huge for both and PL and NFL team

Just remember when Shahid Khan was trying to purchase Wembley, DL was pretty vocal on it being a bad idea. And Shadid Khan did kind of abruptly pull his offer off the table. Obviously because it would mean that he would be trying to move his NFL franchise over, and that would stop any other franchise from coming over.

We recently dealt with Amazon so would be well aware of the club and the setup. And NFL would easily sign off on our stadium being fit for purpose.

With the Amazon doc., having the manager with the largest profile and name recognition, and bring in the biggest marquee player we would be able to get both on the men and women's team. Our profile in the states cant be any bigger rn.

If there is one person that has the pockets to buy the club et al, aswell as pay the 1billion plus expansion fee it would be him. 2.5 billion for spurs and a billion for the expansion fee. Maybe a little over 3.5 billion for an NFL and a elite European football club, fuck it lets say 4 billion with admin cost. His return on investment would be pretty good very quickly. Especially now with the club taking on debt because of covid. Perfect time to make ENIC an offer they cant refuse.

Just posted this in the ENIC thread

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Our success under Pochettino came with academy players like Harry, Winks, Rose, Walker, Ryan Mason supplemented by young purchases like Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Jan, Son. We traditionally did not re-sign players entering their 30’s and the cycle continued of investing in the academy and players entering year 22-23-24 nearing the end of their first contract (Eriksen, Jan, Son) and then giving them 5-6 years to thrive and then revolutionize the squad again, rinse and repeat. We’ve lost that way a bit and it’s hurting us. Our ability to shift players is restricted because who is willing to buy and offer comparable wages to a 28 year old sitting on the bench that is collecting the highest wages of his career?
Buying Alfie Devine from Wigan was a great move and we should be making 4 or 5 of them per year. We need to invest significant dollars to compete with the Chelsea, City academy programs which routinely pick off the most promising youngsters from the smaller clubs.

 

[shelfboy68]

Our success under Pochettino came with academy players like Harry, Winks, Rose, Walker, Ryan Mason supplemented by young purchases like Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Jan, Son. We traditionally did not re-sign players entering their 30’s and the cycle continued of investing in the academy and players entering year 22-23-24 nearing the end of their first contract (Eriksen, Jan, Son) and then giving them 5-6 years to thrive and then revolutionize the squad again, rinse and repeat. We’ve lost that way a bit and it’s hurting us. Our ability to shift players is restricted because who is willing to buy and offer comparable wages to a 28 year old sitting on the bench that is collecting the highest wages of his career?
Buying Alfie Devine from Wigan was a great move and we should be making 4 or 5 of them per year. We need to invest significant dollars to compete with the Chelsea, City academy programs which routinely pick off the most promising youngsters from the smaller clubs.

5-6 years of thriving to achieve what?

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

5-6 years of thriving to achieve what?

Along the way challenging for titles and the league..how many team cores stay together longer than 4 or 5 years before they start to rot? One player maybe two stays but tons of change everywhere else.

 

[shelfboy68]

Along the way challenging for titles and the league..how many team cores stay together longer than 4 or 5 years before they start to rot? One player maybe two stays but tons of change everywhere else.

Let's face it we don't really challenge for titles do we.

 

[Metalhead]

Our success under Pochettino came with academy players like Harry, Winks, Rose, Walker, Ryan Mason supplemented by young purchases like Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Jan, Son. We traditionally did not re-sign players entering their 30’s and the cycle continued of investing in the academy and players entering year 22-23-24 nearing the end of their first contract (Eriksen, Jan, Son) and then giving them 5-6 years to thrive and then revolutionize the squad again, rinse and repeat. We’ve lost that way a bit and it’s hurting us. Our ability to shift players is restricted because who is willing to buy and offer comparable wages to a 28 year old sitting on the bench that is collecting the highest wages of his career?
Buying Alfie Devine from Wigan was a great move and we should be making 4 or 5 of them per year. We need to invest significant dollars to compete with the Chelsea, City academy programs which routinely pick off the most promising youngsters from the smaller clubs.

We've got the training ground for it - I'm not sure that we've been particularly successful at developing players over the years but it certainly has to be the way forward or should be.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Let's face it we don't really challenge for titles do we.

we’re in our 3rd cup final in the last 5 years and finished top 3 in the premier league- should have won it the year that Leicester did.

 

[shelfboy68]

we’re in our 3rd cup final in the last 5 years and finished top 3 in the premier league- should have won it the year that Leicester did.

We are certainly in good form going into this cup final aren't we and we certainly didn't cover ourselves in glory the last two cup finals.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

We've got the training ground for it - I'm not sure that we've been particularly successful at developing players over the years but it certainly has to be the way forward or should be.

there is palpable excitement around the homegrown players on the way up like Skipp, Cirkin, Scarlett. It’s a numbers game, you invest in top youth players and you have good chances of hitting big.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

We are certainly in good form going into this cup final aren't we and we certainly didn't cover ourselves in glory the last two cup finals.

I don’t disagree with you- but the fact is we were in the finals. You didn’t say we were on top of the world playing beautiful football and getting amazing results, you said we aren’t challenging and objectively that isn’t true.

 

[mumfordspur]

Our success under Pochettino came with academy players like Harry, Winks, Rose, Walker, Ryan Mason supplemented by young purchases like Eriksen, Dele, Dier, Jan, Son. We traditionally did not re-sign players entering their 30’s and the cycle continued of investing in the academy and players entering year 22-23-24 nearing the end of their first contract (Eriksen, Jan, Son) and then giving them 5-6 years to thrive and then revolutionize the squad again, rinse and repeat. We’ve lost that way a bit and it’s hurting us. Our ability to shift players is restricted because who is willing to buy and offer comparable wages to a 28 year old sitting on the bench that is collecting the highest wages of his career?
Buying Alfie Devine from Wigan was a great move and we should be making 4 or 5 of them per year. We need to invest significant dollars to compete with the Chelsea, City academy programs which routinely pick off the most promising youngsters from the smaller clubs.

Rose came from Leeds & Walker came from Sheff Urinal

 

[parj]

we’re in our 3rd cup final in the last 5 years and finished top 3 in the premier league- should have won it the year that Leicester did.

Don't talk logic to those that can't see the progress we make under Poch. They would prefer we carried on fighting to get in Europa League and hope we got good money for our top players.

 

[HildoSpur]

I just want to win things.

 

[mark87]

5-6 years of thriving to achieve what?

Another Audi cup innit

 

[shelfboy68]

I don’t disagree with you- but the fact is we were in the finals. You didn’t say we were on top of the world playing beautiful football and getting amazing results, you said we aren’t challenging and objectively that isn’t true.

But we aren't challenging none of the big clubs is wary of us they treat spurs like the media do as a joke.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Rose came from Leeds & Walker came from Sheff Urinal

yes but bought before they played meaningful senior marches. They were bought as youth players.