Stadium talks today

[arthurgrimsdell]

And it would also run the risk of having big empty spaces.

If you have a season ticket you go to every game unless you have a very good reason. If you don't have to buy a season you'll cherry-pick the games you go to.

Start building this summer? What planet are you from?

I'd take a guess that the cunning plan is for completion by 2012, with a view to the new stadium being an Olympics venue.

I agree with you that a building start this summer is over-optimistic. But I think you in turn are being overly-optimistic, if you think we can persuade the Olympic team, that a stadium that is still a figment of everyone's imagination can be one of the Olympic games venues. I'd be even more disheartened about the Olympics fiasco than I already am, if I thought that the venues had not already been decided in principle. Even if they hadn't, the presence of Sir Keith Mills on our Board would preclude the use of our facilities, because there would be uproar over his previous connection with the Games. Indeed, it was stated at the time he joined the Board that it meant there would be no chance of us using the main Olympic Stadium for that very reason.

With regard to stadium capacity, this is a bit of a "chicken and egg" situation. If we don't build a bigger stadium, then in the medium to long-term we limit our capacity to compete with the top European clubs. So it has to be part of a drive to enhance the team's achievements on the pitch. If that is successful, we will have no problem filling a 60,000 capacity stadium. If it is not, we will.

The board has to use its expertise to ensure that both happen, and clearly, with limited resources, they've got a massive problem.

In my view it is essential that Tottenham get's a large investment of new share capital quite soon, otherwise we will be up the proverbial.

 

[hodspurs]

if we can stay at the lane then i dont see a problem with as ground share for a while. i think 52000-55000 would be fine for us.if we can maybe make it bigger in afew years if we have to then all the better..

 

[Wsussexspur]

If we groundshare I guess it will be with West Ham as always been said when discussing groundshare issue in past. No chance of us sharing with Ars**al/ Chelsea and West Ham have next biggest capacity club ground in London. Selhurst park would be useful for me though but imagine that would be too small too!

 

[DC_Boy]

if we can stay at the lane then i dont see a problem with as ground share for a while. i think 52000-55000 would be fine for us.if we can maybe make it bigger in afew years if we have to then all the better..

Hi Hod it's all about opinions - I see massive problems with a ground share

first of all where

I can't think of anywhere feasible

secondly

even if that's acheived - i reckon it could badly hit our gates/performances depending where it is

thirdly

what happens if as I expect the building of our ground overuns and we become effectively 'homeless'
the spectre of Wimbledon haunts me still

as for the empty seats debate i've already said that I think an expansion will broaden our fan base - because I honestly think there are plenty of people put off at the moment by the rigmarole of getting tickets at the Lane

once it became known it was fairly easy to get tickets - and that indeed most games you could just turn up on the day then a whole lot of 'causal fans and indeed non-fans' may be gained

although there is the downside already mentioned about perhaps we'll lose some ST holders on the same easy to get in principle

to me I'd rather we just went to 45,000 if that was easily doable and relatively cheap - and the grander alternatives were giving massive cost/space problems - but i leave that question to people who understand these matters - not me for one ;-)

 

[AngerManagement]

It obvious that if we ground share we should make a deal with the English rugby union and use the Twickenham stadium......that way I could walk to games in 5 mins

 

[DC_Boy]

If we groundshare I guess it will be with West Ham as always been said when discussing groundshare issue in past. No chance of us sharing with Ars**al/ Chelsea and West Ham have next biggest capacity club ground in London. Selhurst park would be useful for me though but imagine that would be too small too!

see this is why I am so against ground share

West Ham - utter nightmare on so many levels - the idea completely appals me and I honestly cannot see me ever going there to see a Spurs game

 

[Parmigiano]

Theres what, 23-25k season ticket holders. I was informed by the club that I am circa 7000th in a 12k waiting list (thats official).

I've been to every home game...but I would say I am in a smaller group of members who do so, but at the very least I think Spurs could guarantee a 35k season ticket every season. Anyone who thinks we can sell out every week, 50k plus, are living in cloud cuckoo land...even if we're successful.

Yeh, we're a big club in England, but even when we were enjoying success in the 80's, we were getting crowds in the teens to late 20's, rather than the ground swelling 45k plus we got in those days ...occassionally.

If anything, if people knew they could easily get a ticket for the game, I reckon you'd see a decrease in season ticket sales as people could pick and choose their games.
50k sounds more than enough.

 

[chinaman]

Use Wembley during our redevelopment.

 

[gavspur]

The thing about the fans on the season ticket waiting list is that they are probably members and so they go to games anyway therefore, increasing the number of season tickets wouldn't put a lot more bums on seats.

What will put bums on seats is the knowledge that there is a hope in hell of getting a ticket if you aren't a season ticket holder or member. I think I am right to say that the membership book was closed this season so there is obviously more demand. Currently if you want a ticket as a non member you are better off going on ebay because by the time they go on open sale there are none left, this means that people can't plan to go to a match and trust me they eventually give up trying, if people knew that even three games out of five they could be sure of getting a seat it would become part of their routine and they would go more regularly.

Totally agree, i'm not a member, often try to get tickets but cant, so then ya kind of give up..

And on groundshare, it should be with either Charlton or (wait for it) Gillingham!!!! hahahaha..

 

[Krafty]

I think we could easily get 50k each week. For most games we get 35k, but I know of nearly a hundred people who want to come but cant get tickets or memberships.

Once they come to a couple of games, a lot of people will start coming more often as it becomes part of their routine. Add in the fact we will be able to sell a lot more memberships, so more people will be inclined to come because they have memberships and get tickets, a 50K stadium is imperative at the very least, with the potential to increase by ten or twenty thousand.

I am going to be so happy once we start work on a bigger stadium as it is going to do so much for the club. Everything will expand and we will be so much better for it.

 

[chinaman]

I like using Wembley during our redevelopment is that any domestic cup final we reach will be a home game for us.

 

[DC_Boy]

I like using Wembley during our redevelopment is that any domestic cup final we reach will be a home game for us.

Hi chiinaman - there is no chance of us using Wembley - it was ruled out years ago -

all the suggestions so far just underline why I say groundshare is a terrble idea

 

[brasil_spur]

we definitley could get 50k a week, there are many people who want to watch spurs play, both supporters as well as tourists in London (we can stick them in the corner out the way somewhere :wink who know that they have virtually sod all chance of getting a ticket for a match unless they plan it well in advance (i.e. same day tickets go on sale to public) or they get extremeley lucky.

don't even get me started on that damn ticket office either, i've missed getting tickets a few times due to that.....

 

[TheBlueRooster]

It obvious that if we ground share we should make a deal with the English rugby union and use the Twickenham stadium......that way I could walk to games in 5 mins

Isn't there some kind of by-law at Twickenham stopping it being used too many times in a year? I thought that's why they had to use Cardiff for cup finals. The FA looked at Twickers but it was a no go.

 

[DC_Boy]

twickenham like wembley is a no go - the residents/council would never allow it

we've been through all these options hundreds of times both on here and other boards

it's why I think groundsharing won't work, and certainly the massive difficulties involved have been a real problem for the board in considering it (and my guess one of the main reasons for delays in decision making)

 

[nickspurs]

I think 50-55K is not a problem too.

The smart thing would be too build it with a view to adding incremental capacity. Say 50K in main project but with planning permission and designs to add another 5-10K at a later stage and maybe more after that. Ideally phases II and III could be done primarily in the close season and with minimal disruption.

I think you need to play it safe and test the water with 50-55K and see how the utilisation and the order book looks but keep your options open. Having a phase II and III defers some cost too but gives us the optionality to go big when we're more confident on demand.

 

[Bonjour]

Share with Barnet.

Underhill's not too far away.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think 50-55K is not a problem too.

The smart thing would be too build it with a view to adding incremental capacity. Say 50K in main project but with planning permission and designs to add another 5-10K at a later stage and maybe more after that. Ideally phases II and III could be done primarily in the close season and with minimal disruption.

I think you need to play it safe and test the water with 50-55K and see how the utilisation and the order book looks but keep your options open. Having a phase II and III defers some cost too but gives us the optionality to go big when we're more confident on demand.

Nah! go for the top figure 60K+ fill it from the bottom up and curtain off any empty sections at the top and the back it would then look like a full stadium however many are there and no further disruption required making it cheaper in the long run.
can't see why it wouldn't work.

 

[Paxtonite]

Lets ground share with Villa :cheers:

Just thought i'd throw it out there!

 

[Yiddo1982]

Nah, I live in Newbury. My dad works in Marlow though.

Cool. That's were i live.