Redknapp almost left us??

[chrissivad]

Yes, Redknapp has done well, but lets not forget that he inherited a talent squad that was lacking direction, belief and love. Redknapp's skill is making things simple, and we all know footballers like this.

over the last 2 years the stars of the team aren't Redknapp buys. Bale, Modric, Huddlestone and Dawson were here before he arrived.

I struggle to criticize Redknapp, but do get frustrated with his "Rose Tinted" view on certain players .... Crouch in particular.

He did, and im sure he has said so on many occasions when he did join us.

but what harry did was to bring in the type of players that we have been after for a long time. Palacios was a great signing for us at the time. While we had managers/DOF out their buying these talented players they seemed to miss out on what the team needed rather than what looks good.

Harry has built a team out of what he inherited.

 

[cusop]

He did, and im sure he has said so on many occasions when he did join us.

but what harry did was to bring in the type of players that we have been after for a long time. Palacios was a great signing for us at the time. While we had managers/DOF out their buying these talented players they seemed to miss out on what the team needed rather than what looks good.

Harry has built a team out of what he inherited.

Agreed with some strange Buys

Defoe, Keane, Crouch and Kranjar!

 

[WhiteStripe]

You have yet to impress me!
I cannot believe fans who think everything is Rosey about the club and cannot even contemplate an alternative.. Do I have to find the press statements that Redknapp made originally.

The fact is Spurs were the only medium to top club to use the continental approach FULL ON!
The only reason Levy had to give up was because he sold the Jewels and ended up with Potential!!
Bentley 15
Hutton 10
Botang 6
Tarabt 5

List goes on

Then HR comes in and buys in Crouch (who I would never have believed would come back ) Keane and Defoe and Kaboul..

This was a big gamble on HRs side!

Whitestripe
You are just plain wrong!!

Hold on, your post makes no sense.

Let me just get things clear. As far as I see it (and correct me if I am wrong), your opinion is that Redknapp walked up to Levy and said "Mr Levy, me old mucka', I ain't working under a Director of Football" and Mr Levy was forced to change by Redknapp?

That's what I take your view as. I think I've got that right?

Well My argument was that regardless of which manager Levy had brought in, he would have still changed from the Director of Football strategy.

At the time of Ramos' sacking, Levy could plainly see that the DOF system was not working. He therefore decided to revert to a more traditional style of management and went out to find a manager that matched the new system. That was was Redknapp.

He then announced Redknapps appointment, whilst at the same time outlining the return to a traditional style of management.

What I fail to understand is how your post has any reference to what I have been commenting on...your original view.

 

[cusop]

Agreed with some strange Buys

Defoe, Keane, Crouch and Kranjar!

We nearly agree! But the issue is when Redknapp was initially rumored to be in for the job! He would not accept working for a D of , nor would other candidates. Now at the same time Levy made it clear Ramos gone Commoli was gone be a gonna too! But that was when Levy realized he could not attract the right managers!

We are splittng hairs. I do not think for one minute that Commoli got to stay and Ramos was a gonner.. Ive got some other info to add to this shortly but I better make sure I am completely factually correct! But may be you can help me! what replaced the D of F at tottenham! make sure you have your facts too!

 

[DogsOfWar]

Redknapp buys, no, but you cannot underestimate how Redknapp has transformed some of the players in this team.

Bale
Dawson
Ekotto
Gomes
Huddlestone
Lennon

All of these were finished/playing a bit part/going to be sold under previous managers.

To be fair to Redknapp his buys are:

--------Cudicini-------
Walker Kaboul Gallas Bassong
Pienaar Sandro Palacios Krancjar
--Van der Vaart Crouch Defoe-------

Buying back Chimbonda and Keane wasn't too clever but I reckon that's not a bad 12 man team especially when you factor in cost (and competing against moneybag teams).

 

[SpurSince57]

To be fair to Redknapp his buys are:

--------Cudicini-------
Walker Kaboul Gallas Bassong
Pienaar Sandro Palacios Krancjar
--Van der Vaart Crouch Defoe-------

Buying back Chimbonda and Keane wasn't too clever but I reckon that's not a bad 12 man team especially when you factor in cost (and competing against moneybag teams).

Chimbonda was probably one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time, but when Defoe got injured we were desperate for a striker with just a few days of the January window left. There weren't too many other experienced strikers about.

Also, most of us, I think, believed his mojo-loss at Liverpool was a temporary thing.

 

[Rumbaldo]

I get what cusop is saying - i respect what redknapp has done for our club but i just dont like the bloke I find it amazing that soo many of you have attacked him for that.

in regards to the DOF situation im afraid i would disagree with you cusop
Levy was ready to get rid of it after the Jol debacle

Ramos was Comolli’s choice. “He has recommended Juande Ramos, clearly he will have [to take] responsibility if it doesn’t work, but I have every confidence it will,” Levy said.

I hypothesise that at that point levy had seen 2 managers work under 2 DOF's and realised that it brought no more stability than having the traditional setup. In fact it had cost him twice as much to maintain The ramos move was its last chance and it imploded for a whole host of reasons.

Harry arrived at that time but Levy clearly had no intention of replacing Comolli.

 

[cusop]

I get what cusop is saying - i respect what redknapp has done for our club but i just dont like the bloke I find it amazing that soo many of you have attacked him for that.

in regards to the DOF situation im afraid i would disagree with you cusop
Levy was ready to get rid of it after the Jol debacle

Ramos was Comolli’s choice. “He has recommended Juande Ramos, clearly he will have [to take] responsibility if it doesn’t work, but I have every confidence it will,” Levy said.

I hypothesise that at that point levy had seen 2 managers work under 2 DOF's and realised that it brought no more stability than having the traditional setup. In fact it had cost him twice as much to maintain The ramos move was its last chance and it imploded for a whole host of reasons.

Harry arrived at that time but Levy clearly had no intention of replacing Comolli.

I never bought into the Ramos was Commons's choice. I suspect the reason being when the photos were rumored of Kelmsley meeting Ramos in the hotel was reported. Initially with out Piccys! I went nuts blaming the media anybody but Spurs. As Jol was doing okay. But then the photographs of Kelmsley surface. I was livid! This was just the nail that Jol needed for his coffin and the team sunk like rock! Commoli sat on the same board as Kelmsley and perhaps he went along with it or even recommended it. But it was at the time when the rumour that after two fifth places had been achieved suddenly Jol was not the man to carry us on! This was a low point for many fans as we had all began to believe.

I remember watching Jol and Commoli on the sidelines against Braga at home that was March 2007 and Jol stood there like a statue never spoke to Commoli, nothing!

It was obvious then, but not to us fans that the machiavellian games had began.

So Kemsley was the one not Commolli that pursued Ramos.. Once the pooh started to happen Kemsley left the board and the next one to catch the big turd was Commolli, but by then he had spent some serious money and they had sold poor old Keane and Berbatov, to finance the trip!

I had no trust in Levy from then on!

So my view is that Levy liked the D of F, it gave the board a chance to play fantasy football!

The legacy was a good squad with no backbone and no confidence like you mentioned.

So was Commoli good or bad..?

He brought in 4 or 5 of our current squad and Bentley, Gio

 

[SpurSince57]

In fact, it seems to have been Juanque that approached Spurs, presumably through Kemsley and Poyet's chum Jimenez, who was also at the Rey Alfonso.

 

[cusop]

wow some people can do not wrong! So why did not get on plane and fly toBlighty, but now it was a multi-millionaire who got on a plan an flew to Sevilla. Odd how facts change after the data (or facts in this case)

 

[SpurSince57]

Any chance of getting that in English?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Redknapp buys, no, but you cannot underestimate how Redknapp has transformed some of the players in this team.

Bale
Dawson
Ekotto
Gomes
Huddlestone
Lennon

All of these were finished/playing a bit part/going to be sold under previous managers.

What exactly has Redknapp transformed Lennon from and to ? Or Dawson for that matter ? Or any of them really, but start with those two.

 

[chrissivad]

It was always Kemsley (and some others) that flew out to Sevilla.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/spurs-boss-jol-insists-ill-miss-kemsley-152252

Kemsley was a member of the delegation which travelled to Spain eight weeks ago in an attempt to persuade Sevilla's manager Juande Ramos to succeed Jol.
Property millionaire Kemsley resigned yesterday, saying he wanted to concentrate on his business interests in America. But his role at Tottenham became ever more difficult after he was spotted speaking to Ramos, says the Guardian.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/7048324.stm

Kemsley was said to be closely involved in the club's attempts to bring Seville coach Juande Ramos to White Hart Lane.

He was part of a delegation which travelled to Spain to speak to Ramos but has now left the club to focus on business interests in the USA.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2323496/Paul-Kemsley-leaving-Tottenham.html

But Kemsley's position had become untenable after he was caught holding talks with Sevilla coach Juande Ramos in Spain at the end of August.

The story prompted a crisis for Spurs and manager Martin Jol's position at White Hart Lane remains in serious jeopardy. Kemsley was later forced to apologise for causing "damage" to Jol

 

[cusop]

It was always Kemsley (and some others) that flew out to Sevilla.

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/spurs-boss-jol-insists-ill-miss-kemsley-152252


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/t/tottenham_hotspur/7048324.stm


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2323496/Paul-Kemsley-leaving-Tottenham.html

Thanks, its true .. so let us keep a perspective going forward, Why would any one misrepresent the truth.
The 36000 fans that sell out EHL are the engine of the club and like any group can be mislead

I love these fans even the quite ones in the West Stand!!

 

[DogsOfWar]

Chimbonda was probably one of those things that seemed like a good idea at the time, but when Defoe got injured we were desperate for a striker with just a few days of the January window left. There weren't too many other experienced strikers about.

Also, most of us, I think, believed his mojo-loss at Liverpool was a temporary thing.

After seeing him at WHL in a pre-season friendly I was all for starting the season with him up front.

But I am always frustrated by the general consensus that Redknapp has transformed players but bought no-one of worth.
As BC points out players such as Lennon and Dawson haven't been transformed, they have, at best, returned to previous levels of form. Others such as Gomes, Modric, BAE and Bale have always played well for us but since we started winning games history has been re-written to make it look like Redknapp turned them into great players when Redknapp's contribution has been to turn those great players into a great team.

As for his purchases I'd quite happily start with 6 or 7 of those players I listed and be more than happy that they were as good as, or better, than those they were replacing.
Our ability to challenge in the CL as well as the top four is down to our strength in depth and Harry's purchasing strategy has been a huge part of that.

 

[WhiteStripe]

What exactly has Redknapp transformed Lennon from and to ? Or Dawson for that matter ? Or any of them really, but start with those two.

When redknapp arrived bentley had been bought, Lennon was heavily off the pace and there was an overwhelming feeling that Lennon had lost it. He'd been found out and had peaked. His confidence was rock bottom and he looked a shell of his former self. After redknapps arrival Lennon started to show the ability we had all salivated over when he hit the ground running following his arrival. Redknapp had twice brought him back from injury, helping him regain form and confidence. I'm sure you disagree. But that's you BC, you just can't see the truth if it smacks you in the face.

As for Dawson, anyone other than you would see how much he has improved under Harry.

 

[tooey]

What exactly has Redknapp transformed Lennon from and to ? Or Dawson for that matter ? Or any of them really, but start with those two.

Bad examples id agree. Only thing I would say is that lennon has seemed more eager to work back and stick to his defensive duties under harry.

Nobody can deny he's a great motivater and can really grind the best out of a player.

The star example is obviously Bale but their are other players. These are the 5 who have probably progressed the best under Harry.

Modric
Bale
Hudd
BAE
Gomes

 

[tooey]

When redknapp arrived bentley had been bought, Lennon was heavily off the pace and there was an overwhelming feeling that Lennon had lost it. He'd been found out and had peaked. His confidence was rock bottom and he looked a shell of his former self. After redknapps arrival Lennon started to show the ability we had all salivated over when he hit the ground running following his arrival. Redknapp had twice brought him back from injury, helping him regain form and confidence. I'm sure you disagree. But that's you BC, you just can't see the truth if it smacks you in the face.

As for Dawson, anyone other than you would see how much he has improved under Harry.

To be fair.... He was immence for a season under Jol as well. I think being paired with Gallas on a regular basis has helped him out as well. I dont care what anybody says, it does no good to chop and change CB's when people become available from injury.

 

[Jody]

]To be fair.... He was immence for a season under Jol as well.[/B] I think being paired with Gallas on a regular basis has helped him out as well. I dont care what anybody says, it does no good to chop and change CB's when people become available from injury.

Yep. Ramos having to play him at the back with Kaboul knocked his confidence heaps I think.

 

[cusop]

The only worry I have of a Dawson, Gallas pairing is the lack of pace in the middle. Bassong and Kaboul have that pace. As did Ledley. Poor old Bassong won't get another chance again for awhile after the Blackpool game.

Sturridge, and Welbeck found out that partnership. Both Gallas and Dawson are both terrific CBs, I am just not sure that it's the best Partnership