Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

[TPdYID]

you don’t find a buyer within a contest period you would lose it for free? It’s just a flat out bizarre equivalence.

Again, somewhat of an over exaggeration.

Stevie is 24/25 y/o, a Dutch international, highly regarded across Europe, with 3 years left on his contract. It’s fair to assume there’s going to be a fair amount of interest.

In what parallel universe does he leave for free?

 

[AustroSpur]

Would you do the same if you were selling your house?

not really sure whether this comparison makes a lot of sense but i´ll play along:

if it´s a house which i don´t use and which worth depreciates slowly but steadily, if there are no other buyers offering more and if I am inclined to do future business with the proposed buyer (and history indicates that this is likely), then yes, I might be inclined to take a small hit and maybe get less than I was hoping if it means that relations with said buyer remain intact which again might swing future decisions of them in my favor

 

[dontcallme]

Again, somewhat of an over exaggeration.

Stevie is 24/25 y/o, a Dutch international, highly regarded across Europe, with 3 years left on his contract. It’s fair to assume there’s going to be a fair amount of interest.

In what parallel universe does he leave for free?

I was doing a comparison between one of the many differences in a football club selling a player and an individual selling a house. As you can see making a comparison is difficult as the concept is such complete bollocks.

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

Would you do the same if you were selling your house?

You are Amber Heard and I claim my £10.

 

[Phil_2.0]

I think if we get close to 25m for Bergwijn it's a good deal, rest of Europe is broke AF and we need money to fund our purchases. Fiorentina can't even afford to buy Torreira from Arsenal for 15m Euros. He was their player of the month 3 times. Arsenal looking at selling Bellerin for 5m.

I think we are being mugged off by Villareal somewhat if we can't get 30m Euros from them after they made 70m for their CL run in part to Lo Celso's good work, about to get 60m for Torres. Pino is worth 100m already. Less sympathy with them crying poverty even though they are a small club.

Just gotta try your best with a release clause in case Bergwijn ends up looking dominant at Ajax and Barcelona decides they want to spend a billion on him

 

[TPdYID]

I was doing a comparison between one of the many differences in a football club selling a player and an individual selling a house. As you can see making a comparison is difficult as the concept is such complete bollocks.

Enjoyed hearing your opinion. Nice back and forth. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

 

[spids]

I think if we get close to 25m for Bergwijn it's a good deal, rest of Europe is broke AF and we need money to fund our purchases. Fiorentina can't even afford to buy Torreira from Arsenal for 15m Euros. He was their player of the month 3 times. Arsenal looking at selling Bellerin for 5m.

I think we are being mugged off by Villareal somewhat if we can't get 30m Euros from them after they made 70m for their CL run in part to Lo Celso's good work, about to get 60m for Torres. Pino is worth 100m already. Less sympathy with them crying poverty even though they are a small club.

Just gotta try your best with a release clause in case Bergwijn ends up looking dominant at Ajax and Barcelona decides they want to spend a billion on him

Not great comparisons. Fiorentina are not in the CL, and Torreira is not smashing it on the international stage. Yes - players are only worth what someone will pay, but you do not have to sell cut price. I bet Ajax will not be selling Gravenberch to Bayern for 18M euros, and I bet Villareal will not be selling Torres to anyone for 18M euros.

 

[Phil_2.0]

Not great comparisons. Fiorentina are not in the CL, and Torreira is not smashing it on the international stage. Yes - players are only worth what someone will pay, but you do not have to sell cut price. I bet Ajax will not be selling Gravenberch to Bayern for 18M euros, and I bet Villareal will not be selling Torres to anyone for 18M euros.

My example was just showing that Europe is broke, Fiorentina won't pay 10m for a player they like. Betis can't afford a few million for a player that helped them win the Copa Del Rey and to 5th

If we don't sell to Ajax who are we going to sell Bergwijn to? If there's someone in the EPL then great, they have money but does anyone want him in the Premier League? on the continent? I don't know what side will be willing to spend over 30m on a player this summer. Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund, Real, PSG, Roma, Atletico, Juventus, Inter, AC Milan and maybe a few others? I can't see any of those teams wanting him.

Maybe we can wait till the end of the Window and when some more European clubs have gotten Premier league cash after selling some players we can sell him to one of them? I'd rather just take the deal now and move on quickly as we have to execute 15 transfers this summer In and Out.

 

[spids]

My example was just showing that Europe is broke, Fiorentina won't pay 10m for a player they like. Betis can't afford a few million for a player that helped them win the Copa Del Rey and to 5th

All clubs outside the CL/PL are broke (apart from Newcastle). Ajax are not. And neither are Villareal. Yes we have to be realistic. But let's not sell top international players (Lo Celso and Bergwijn) to CL clubs for peanuts.

I am sure in a few weeks the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Newcastle, Villa will all be throwing serious money around.

 

[spids]

We can also loan players put for £5M fee plus have other clubs pay most of their wages, and sell them next window to a club that has money.

 

[Phil_2.0]

If your strategy is to wait then Ajax are a smart club, they might move onto another target and it will affect our ability to do the business we want to quickly.

I agree sometimes it might be prudent to wait till the end of the window or loan him out but we have to make a shit load of deals this summer for a manager that seems to want things done quickly. I don't mind losing a small amount of value to get things going so we can move forward as a club. I do worry though that Bergwijn will look so good in Holland in a great Ajax team that he will be worth 60m to Barca in a year. We gotta try to get some sort of sell-on clause to protect that but right now hes worth around 25m.

 

[rajmak]

If your strategy is to wait then Ajax are a smart club, they might move onto another target and it will affect our ability to do the business we want to quickly.

I agree sometimes it might be prudent to wait till the end of the window or loan him out but we have to make a shit load of deals this summer for a manager that seems to want things done quickly. I don't mind losing a small amount of value to get things going so we can move forward as a club. I do worry though that Bergwijn will look so good in Holland in a great Ajax team that he will be worth 60m to Barca in a year. We gotta try to get some sort of sell-on clause to protect that but right now hes worth around 25m.

The problem is judging by reports they don't want to bid higher than 20M Euro which is around £16m - £17m

 

[Basil Brush]

The problem is judging by reports they don't want to bid higher than 20M Euro which is around £16m - £17m

Yeah we may as well keep him if they are offering that.

Apparently we want €30mio, but I do think we will accept €25mio if we have to. I don't know my currency rates not living over there, but I guess €25mio is about £22mio

 

[Phil_2.0]

The problem is judging by reports they don't want to bid higher than 20M Euro which is around £16m - £17m

I thought the latest was 22m Euros + 3m add ons. If what you are saying is correct then yes that is too low for Bergwijn

 

[curlacious]

The difference is this summer we don't have to sell to buy. There's no pressure. We have cashflow. And it's right at the START of the window. Stevie is a good player and he will go, at a fair price - we hold all the cards.

 

[spids]

If your strategy is to wait then Ajax are a smart club, they might move onto another target and it will affect our ability to do the business we want to quickly.

I agree sometimes it might be prudent to wait till the end of the window or loan him out but we have to make a shit load of deals this summer for a manager that seems to want things done quickly. I don't mind losing a small amount of value to get things going so we can move forward as a club. I do worry though that Bergwijn will look so good in Holland in a great Ajax team that he will be worth 60m to Barca in a year. We gotta try to get some sort of sell-on clause to protect that but right now hes worth around 25m.

My strategy is not to wait. It’s not to see a player for significantly lower than what we value him at in the first 3 days of the window.

I agree about a sell on fee.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Yeah we may as well keep him if they are offering that.

Apparently we want €30mio, but I do think we will accept €25mio if we have to. I don't know my currency rates not living over there, but I guess €25mio is about £22mio

Keep him for what reason? His impact was next to nothing from the bench last season and he’ll be even further down the pecking order this year. Conte doesn’t seem to rate him, he doesn’t want to be here, c. £20m is a fair price, if we can’t get that then either take a loss or loan him out but there’s very little reason keeping him no matter how much you might want him to do well here.

 

[Stoof]

Yeah we may as well keep him if they are offering that.

Apparently we want €30mio, but I do think we will accept €25mio if we have to. I don't know my currency rates not living over there, but I guess €25mio is about £22mio

Mamma mio.

 

[easley91]

Mamma mio.

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[Pebble Dash]

The thing with Bergwijn is people quote his contribution against Leicester as a reason to keep him. It’s no different to Crouch’s goal against Man City that got us into the Champions League or Winks later winner against Fulham… we’ll be forever grateful for these contributions but they shouldn’t paper of the fact that 90% of the time they either didn’t turn up or weren’t good enough.

Look at Dier and Davies, they’re average to good players but they both seriously stepped up last season and put in some fantastic performances. They were consistent all season. Whereas our better players predominantly contributed week in week out. Bergwijn, Moura, Winks etc were more often than not a complete let down.