Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

[easley91]

The thing with Bergwijn is people quote his contribution against Leicester as a reason to keep him. It’s no different to Crouch’s goal against Man City that got us into the Champions League or Winks later winner against Fulham… we’ll be forever grateful for these contributions but they shouldn’t paper of the fact that 90% of the time they either didn’t turn up or weren’t good enough.

Look at Dier and Davies, they’re average to good players but they both seriously stepped up last season and put in some fantastic performances. They were consistent all season. Whereas our better players predominantly contributed week in week out. Bergwijn, Moura, Winks etc were more often than not a complete let down.

I know this is about Bergwijn but Crouch did so much more than just THAT goal. He was the foil for VDV, Keane, Defoe and Bale. He did a lot for us in his time here. He was a vital part of the team.

 

[eppingyid]

If the rumours are correct about Antony going to manu then I can see why the club would hold firm on the fee for Bergwijn

 

[slartibartfast]

I know this is about Bergwijn but Crouch did so much more than just THAT goal. He was the foil for VDV, Keane, Defoe and Bale. He did a lot for us in his time here. He was a vital part of the team.

Nothing fucks me off more than the lack of respect Crouch gets from some of our fans.
If you dont rate Crouch then imo you dont know wtf you're talking about.

 

[dontcallme]

If the rumours are correct about Antony going to manu then I can see why the club would hold firm on the fee for Bergwijn

Do you mind explaining this one.

 

[Yiddo100]

Do you mind explaining this one.

Antony to United would get them at least 40/50m so why should we bring our price down for Ajax when they could afford our asking

 

[dontcallme]

Antony to United would get them at least 40/50m so why should we bring our price down for Ajax when they could afford our asking

Well Utd have a turnover well in excess of £600m and spend huge. Ajax don't.

If ajax were that desperate for him they could pay more but their MO is to move onto another target instead o spending big.

 

[Yiddo100]

Well Utd have a turnover well in excess of £600m and spend huge. Ajax don't.

If ajax were that desperate for him they could pay more but their MO is to move onto another target instead o spending big.

Then it will come down to how much they want him, because €30m is a fair price for his quality and we shouldn’t lower asking price

 

[dontcallme]

Then it will come down to how much they want him, because €30m is a fair price for his quality and we shouldn’t lower asking price

Then we'll either have to find a different buyer or be stuck with a player that the manager doesn't want and the player has publicly stated he wants to leave.

Man Utd paying big on a different player really has zero relevance.

 

[eppingyid]

Then we'll either have to find a different buyer or be stuck with a player that the manager doesn't want and the player has publicly stated he wants to leave.

Man Utd paying big on a different player really has zero relevance.

I wouldn’t say it has zero relevance but I I guess there will be some sort of compromise the end

 

[dontcallme]

I wouldn’t say it has zero relevance but I I guess there will be some sort of compromise the end

Utd pay the money to get who they want, Ajax just don't do that. If our price for Bergwijn is too high, they'll move onto a different target.

 

[Yiddo100]

Then we'll either have to find a different buyer or be stuck with a player that the manager doesn't want and the player has publicly stated he wants to leave.

Man Utd paying big on a different player really has zero relevance.

United buying a player for £50m of Ajax has some relevance though as he’d be a direct replacement being sold for twice as much as bergwijn so we know they have the money.
and by all accounts there is more than just Ajax interested

 

[dontcallme]

United buying a player for £50m of Ajax has some relevance though as he’d be a direct replacement being sold for twice as much as bergwijn so we know they have the money.
and by all accounts there is more than just Ajax interested

There have been a few stories of Ajax financially struggling after the pandemic How true these reports are, I have no idea.

Last year they had a minus £30m net spend with the biggest signing being around £10m.

The year before £20m on Haller but a minus £40m net spend. The year before minus £140m net spend.

Just because they bring in good transfer fees, this doesn't translate to them spending big.

 

[Basil Brush]

Keep him for what reason? His impact was next to nothing from the bench last season and he’ll be even further down the pecking order this year. Conte doesn’t seem to rate him, he doesn’t want to be here, c. £20m is a fair price, if we can’t get that then either take a loss or loan him out but there’s very little reason keeping him no matter how much you might want him to do well here.

I personally think he is worth more to us than €20m. Reason I say that is could we get a better replacement for that amount?

I know he wants out, but I don't think he would kick up a stink if we kept him.

Anyway it may all be irrelevant as we will nearly definitely sell him this window, but I can almost guarantee it will be over €20m, whether that be Ajax or someone else.

 

[al_pacino]

I personally think he is worth more to us than €20m. Reason I say that is could we get a better replacement for that amount?

I know he wants out, but I don't think he would kick up a stink if we kept him.

Anyway it may all be irrelevant as we will nearly definitely sell him this window, but I can almost guarantee it will be over €20m, whether that be Ajax or someone else.

He wants to leave and Conte doesn't play him so why keep him?

I agree getting a better player for the reported fee Ajax want to pay will be difficult but Spurs don't have to do that, they can spend what they want and hopefully improve that position in the squad.

I'm sure everyone agrees that selling for as much as possible makes sense but if Bergwijn wants to go back to Holland the options are basically one club, and that club will have other options too.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

I personally think he is worth more to us than €20m. Reason I say that is could we get a better replacement for that amount?

I know he wants out, but I don't think he would kick up a stink if we kept him.

Anyway it may all be irrelevant as we will nearly definitely sell him this window, but I can almost guarantee it will be over €20m, whether that be Ajax or someone else.

If we can get Spence for 20m then we've improved the squad with no outlay and gone from having a player who doesn't want to be here and Conte doesn't really rate, to having a young hungry player who's been identified by Conte as someone who he wants at the club. Just because it's not like for like doesn't matter.

 

[Basil Brush]

If we can get Spence for 20m then we've improved the squad with no outlay and gone from having a player who doesn't want to be here and Conte doesn't really rate, to having a young hungry player who's been identified by Conte as someone who he wants at the club. Just because it's not like for like doesn't matter.

And different positions...

 

[Basil Brush]

He wants to leave and Conte doesn't play him so why keep him?

I agree getting a better player for the reported fee Ajax want to pay will be difficult but Spurs don't have to do that, they can spend what they want and hopefully improve that position in the squad.

I'm sure everyone agrees that selling for as much as possible makes sense but if Bergwijn wants to go back to Holland the options are basically one club, and that club will have other options too.

I think Conte doesn't hate him.

It all about the fee imo

 

[Ghost Hardware]

With the Aontony ITK some sort of swap deal plus cash surely has to make a lot of sense for us. Also how good would it be to see Utd fans cry over him coming to us rather then them.

 

[dontcallme]

With the Aontony ITK some sort of swap deal plus cash surely has to make a lot of sense for us. Also how good would it be to see Utd fans cry over him coming to us rather then them.

Historically, swap deals have been relatively rare. It seems we are struggling to sell Bergwijn to Ajax and Lo Celso to Villareal because they can't afford or won't pay our requested fee. Swap deals might be the way round this.

Would be funny to get this one ahead of Utd.

 

[synththfc]

Before anyone posts, the story about us agreeing the Bergwijn fee is fake. It was tweeted by a fake account of their most reliable journo, and Alfredo Pedulla didn't notice the account was fake and wrote a whole article on it.